Geohot Hints at Plans After Sony Settlement

[Choppaduel]

I dont see why any PS3 owner would be apposed to this guy, you know unless your so brain washed that only the idea of piracy would make you turn your friends to the police in the name of saving some faceless corporation a few penny's as they plan on sucking as much money from you as if your a sheep.

This is why PC gaming is dying and console gaming is growing

PC games make the most money from moms/old people/little kids/people who dont know better
You how? when i bought my computer i had games installed on it, i was like sweet i play those games then i see that you can only play 5 games a day after that you need to pay money for extra coins for GAMES ALREADY INSTALLED ON MY COMPUTER
Dont get me wrong these games where not online they where casual puzzle games.

This is how PC games make money


On the flip side we have the console games this is how they make money.

They appeal to the teenage market and brain wash them into thinking that you are a "hardcore" gamer if you spend $60 a week on our pallet swap games "e.g call of duty"
They limit the ways new software can be gotten so your FORCED to buy software THEY give you and in all that time the excuse to lock the console for licensed developers is to prevent "piracy"

That's BS can you imagine if Microsoft sold you a PC then said you cant install a software or product unless its approved by Microsoft first?

Im sorry maybe people like the simple click button pay $60 play game approach to consoles but i dont i would rather see console be turned into sand boxes of opportunity And if you dont then dont use it and stop bashing people moving forward

What planet are you on? The sandbox of opportunity you mentioned is the PC. You are completely off base on how PC games make money.(see Steam & WoW for applicable price models)
The ignorant, dupped audience you mentioned is console gamers, who pay $60 for shovel-ware generic brown shooter #49, or installment sports game #4753.

Anyways, enjoy your life in magic land.

 

[ionveau]

I dont see why any PS3 owner would be apposed to this guy, you know unless your so brain washed that only the idea of piracy would make you turn your friends to the police in the name of saving some faceless corporation a few penny's as they plan on sucking as much money from you as if your a sheep.

This is why PC gaming is dying and console gaming is growing

PC games make the most money from moms/old people/little kids/people who dont know better
You how? when i bought my computer i had games installed on it, i was like sweet i play those games then i see that you can only play 5 games a day after that you need to pay money for extra coins for GAMES ALREADY INSTALLED ON MY COMPUTER
Dont get me wrong these games where not online they where casual puzzle games.

This is how PC games make money


On the flip side we have the console games this is how they make money.

They appeal to the teenage market and brain wash them into thinking that you are a "hardcore" gamer if you spend $60 a week on our pallet swap games "e.g call of duty"
They limit the ways new software can be gotten so your FORCED to buy software THEY give you and in all that time the excuse to lock the console for licensed developers is to prevent "piracy"

That's BS can you imagine if Microsoft sold you a PC then said you cant install a software or product unless its approved by Microsoft first?

Im sorry maybe people like the simple click button pay $60 play game approach to consoles but i dont i would rather see console be turned into sand boxes of opportunity And if you dont then dont use it and stop bashing people moving forward

What planet are you on? The sandbox of opportunity you mentioned is the PC. You are completely off base on how PC games make money.(see Steam & WoW for applicable price models)
The ignorant, dupped audience you mentioned is console gamers, who pay $60 for shovel-ware generic brown shooter #49, or installment sports game #4753.

Anyways, enjoy your life in magic land.

ya i never said PCs are bad maybe when a person says that PC gaming is dying your brain thinks that im bashing PC rather then reading the full story

 

[reddfawks]

Door. Ass.

Don't let 'em collide, Geo.

 

[omega_peaches]

I dont see why any PS3 owner would be apposed to this guy, you know unless your so brain washed that only the idea of piracy would make you turn your friends to the police in the name of saving some faceless corporation a few penny's as they plan on sucking as much money from you as if your a sheep.

Maybe because I enjoy playing games, IE: Call of Duty (Got hacked the hardest.)
I don't think it's very good and fun that I spent money on a game, that I can't play anymore because there are people floating in the air launching lasers at me.

I dont see why any PS3 owner would be apposed to this guy, you know unless your so brain washed that only the idea of piracy would make you turn your friends to the police in the name of saving some faceless corporation a few penny's as they plan on sucking as much money from you as if your a sheep.

This is why PC gaming is dying and console gaming is growing

PC games make the most money from moms/old people/little kids/people who dont know better
You how? when i bought my computer i had games installed on it, i was like sweet i play those games then i see that you can only play 5 games a day after that you need to pay money for extra coins for GAMES ALREADY INSTALLED ON MY COMPUTER
Dont get me wrong these games where not online they where casual puzzle games.

This is how PC games make money


On the flip side we have the console games this is how they make money.

They appeal to the teenage market and brain wash them into thinking that you are a "hardcore" gamer if you spend $60 a week on our pallet swap games "e.g call of duty"
They limit the ways new software can be gotten so your FORCED to buy software THEY give you and in all that time the excuse to lock the console for licensed developers is to prevent "piracy"

That's BS can you imagine if Microsoft sold you a PC then said you cant install a software or product unless its approved by Microsoft first?

Im sorry maybe people like the simple click button pay $60 play game approach to consoles but i dont i would rather see console be turned into sand boxes of opportunity And if you dont then dont use it and stop bashing people moving forward

What planet are you on? The sandbox of opportunity you mentioned is the PC. You are completely off base on how PC games make money.(see Steam & WoW for applicable price models)
The ignorant, dupped audience you mentioned is console gamers, who pay $60 for shovel-ware generic brown shooter #49, or installment sports game #4753.

Anyways, enjoy your life in magic land.

It sounds like you are bashing consoles. ( I see that way too much here lol)
You act like people don't buy Generic Brown Shooter #49 on PC.
I get that it's not as common, but it still happens.
Also, Consoles have some games that most PC game I've played can't touch, IE: No More Heroes.
Come at me PCBros.

 

[xXDeMoNiCXx]

I have to laugh at all the hypocrites that are bitching about him "rolling over" so fast. I'd love to see them put in Geohot's shoes and see how they react, they complain that he didn't put up any fight but chances are those same people would give into Sony in an instant. Way faster than Geohot did.

Basically for those of you whining about Geohot throwing in the towel so fast, either show that you can do better or shut up. You seem perfectly happy sitting back and letting him fight for what you want and complain when he doesn't meet your retarded expectations but what are you doing? You aren't doing nothing so anything negative you have to say against him ain't worth anything. So keep your ignorance inside your empty heads and deal with it.

 

[Droppa Deuce]

Sell my Sony products and boycot future purchases?

Hmmm, nah.

I love my PS3. No need to get rid of it because a hacker got upset with them.

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

"...You'll just have to trust me."

HA! After the stunt he pulled I think it's a little late to be saying that to those players who donated to his cause.

Snip

I take it you missed the part where it was discovered he tampered with evidence?

 

[wammnebu]

i think sony just vassalized him...

 

[JDKJ]

Why the heck am I supposed to "trust" him if he can't even say what's going on?
It's not my problem he signed some gag-contract.
Good for him he "boycots" sony now though. That'll teach them. I care so much.

You indirectly raise an interesting point and one which I've been a-pondering: who leaked the confidential settlement stipulation to the psx forums?

By process of elimination, I'm inclined to first rule out both Stewart Kellar and Kilpatrick Townsend because, as attorneys, I can't readily see them putting their ability to practice law at risk by violating a slew of ethical rules.

That leaves SCEA and Hotz in the line-up. SCEA has motive because the terms are so favorable to them and represent a clear victory over Hotz and one which they may therefore want to publicize. Conversely, Hotz has less motive for the opposite reasons. I'm almost inclined to eliminate Hotz, but in the back of mind there's a nagging suspicion that, between the two of them, Hotz is far and away the dirt-bag of the two and the one more inclined, I think, to do some shady shit. Tough call. But if had to place some chips on the felt, my money's on Hotz. Which, if that's the winning bet, makes his conveniently asserted claims that he "can't talk that because it's confidential" nothing more than more of his patented and trademarked bullshit.

Anyway, it's certainly one o' things that make go, hmmm.

EDIT: After checking the docket, it appears that the stipulation that's been making the rounds wasn't filed under seal. There's "something" filed under seal that went along with the stipulation and order, but it doesn't appear to be the document that everyone has. Drat!! A perfectly good conspiracy theory down the drain!

 

[RowdyRodimus]

So let's see, I can buy a PSP until the new one comes out and I can buy that one too. I need to pick my mom and dad up each a walkman mp3 player (you can't play games on them but damn if they aren't easy to use and well made) and get a new Sony TV. Thanks GeoHot, now all my money will be earmarked for Sonys coffers for a while.

Why? Because I hate you, everything you stand for (which isn't consumers rights btw, it's doing it because you can and getting notoriety for it) and you calling for a boycott just makes me want to buy more products from them. If you voted Republican, I'd have to swallow my pride and vote for the leftist candidate I could just to spite you, you douche canoe.

 

[Emergent]

So pretty much if you do something you know will be used illegally but that wasn't your your intention, that makes it OK. Too bad the law doesn't feel that way. Just ask Limewire.

Dammit, you're right. We should totally outlaw VCRs, DVRs, CD and DVD burners, and the internet. They can all be used for illegal purposes, so we should hold their creators, developers, producers and distributors liable.

Apple and oranges, nice try though (not really)

As a reasonably intelligent person who was knowledgeable about the technology Geohot couldn't have possibly thought "Gee waaay more people will use these codes to install Linux even though most PS3 owners haven't, nor plan to, and the number of those who will pirate will be minuscule in comparison."

I'm sure you or someone else will retort "Well you can't say for certain what Geohot's thoughts were at the time." and such a statement is true and would work in court.

But seriously there's no way, again in the reasonable logical mind of an adult, that he thought this would be used mostly for installing another OS. Prior to the PS3 being cracked the sole motive for cracking the PS3 was to augment and curtail the security of the PS3 to enable pirating. If you're gonna pirate just be real about it. Don't hide behind BS claims of fighting for a greater cause, and paint Geohot as some hero standing in the shadow of an evil corporation.

Okay, so let's set "BS claims of fighting for a greater cause" aside, Sony was seriously playing dirty pool here. Hotz didn't tamper with evidence, he didn't skip out on depositions (He did go to South America. He also came back well before he was due in court. He's allowed to do that. Free country, blah blah.), and he didn't actually pirate any games, especially not in California.

What he did was assist a non-US group in "jailbreaking" the PS3, almost exactly like what was done (and ruled to be legal) for the iPhone, and release the details of how to do so, stating that the intended purpose was to allow users of the PS3 to access functionality that had been locked remotely and after purchase. That is all he did.

We don't restrict the manufacture of cutlery and screwdrivers because people can be physically murdered with them, even though there are a great many fatal stabbings with those items EVERY DAY around the world, and no matter what you do with the information Hotz released, it's less detrimental to society than that.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[Kakashi on crack]

I'm sorry, but this is complete bullshit. I supported this guy because even though he wasn't some poster child, I believed he could actually make a difference in the way sony looks at their customers, but it seems I was proven wrong. *shrug*

I'm not going to even try and voice my disdain, or reason over this, and just leave it at me being pissed.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

Okay, so let's set "BS claims of fighting for a greater cause" aside, Sony was seriously playing dirty pool here. Hotz didn't tamper with evidence, he didn't skip out on depositions (He did go to South America. He also came back well before he was due in court. He's allowed to do that. Free country, blah blah.), and he didn't actually pirate any games, especially not in California.

What he did was assist a non-US group in "jailbreaking" the PS3, almost exactly like what was done (and ruled to be legal) for the iPhone, and release the details of how to do so, stating that the intended purpose was to allow users of the PS3 to access functionality that had been locked remotely and after purchase. That is all he did.

We don't restrict the manufacture of cutlery and screwdrivers because people can be physically murdered with them, even though there are a great many fatal stabbings with those items EVERY DAY around the world, and no matter what you do with the information Hotz released, it's less detrimental to society than that.

This isn't rocket science.

Your analogies are not directly detrimental to Sony's support through companies.

It was a dumb idea to make jailbreaking iPhones legal and it's a dumb idea here. Companies need control over their products because that acquires support from companies. If they lose control over it, companies are less likely to develop software for it.

Remember, you do not "own" a PS3. Not legally anyway. You bought the permission to use it. As ugly as that sounds, it really makes no difference to a customer who is honest. Only those who jailbreak and pirate their software. And that's how it should be.

No, you do own the hardware, the actual physical piece of plastic, wires and metal. What you don't own is the programming that makes it work, those you are buying a license for. Sony doesn't care if you paint it, chop it into little pieces or throw it in a fire. What they do care about is if you mess with the programming and distribute how to do that.

 

[JDKJ]

Okay, so let's set "BS claims of fighting for a greater cause" aside, Sony was seriously playing dirty pool here. Hotz didn't tamper with evidence, he didn't skip out on depositions (He did go to South America. He also came back well before he was due in court. He's allowed to do that. Free country, blah blah.), and he didn't actually pirate any games, especially not in California.

What he did was assist a non-US group in "jailbreaking" the PS3, almost exactly like what was done (and ruled to be legal) for the iPhone, and release the details of how to do so, stating that the intended purpose was to allow users of the PS3 to access functionality that had been locked remotely and after purchase. That is all he did.

We don't restrict the manufacture of cutlery and screwdrivers because people can be physically murdered with them, even though there are a great many fatal stabbings with those items EVERY DAY around the world, and no matter what you do with the information Hotz released, it's less detrimental to society than that.

This isn't rocket science.

Your analogies are not directly detrimental to Sony's support through companies.

It was a dumb idea to make jailbreaking iPhones legal and it's a dumb idea here. Companies need control over their products because that acquires support from companies. If they lose control over it, companies are less likely to develop software for it.

Remember, you do not "own" a PS3. Not legally anyway. You bought the permission to use it. As ugly as that sounds, it really makes no difference to a customer who is honest. Only those who jailbreak and pirate their software. And that's how it should be.

Why was it "a dumb idea" to allow for jailbreaking a smartphone? There's the upside of breaking Apple's stranglehold on iPhone applications with little risk of piracy (unless there's a booming market out there for pirated applications).

 

[Blind0bserver]

I give it three weeks before one of the people that donated money for legal fees tracks him down and tries to bash his head in with a pipe.

 

[JDKJ]

No, you do own the hardware, the actual physical piece of plastic, wires and metal. What you don't own is the programming that makes it work, those you are buying a license for. Sony doesn't care if you paint it, chop it into little pieces or throw it in a fire. What they do care about is if you mess with the programming and distribute how to do that.

You own the permission to use the hardware design and software contained.

Fair enough?

Not really. The two are separate and apart. You can't lump them together that like. Not technically. Hardware is hardware. Software is software.