Geohot Hints at Plans After Sony Settlement

[JDKJ]

I give it three weeks before one of the people that donated money for legal fees tracks him down and tries to bash his head in with a pipe.

Is that before or after they take his wallet?

 

[ShadowKatt]

i never like this guy. he's smart enough to jail break the ps3 but not smart enough to relise pirates will use it to pirate games?

No, he knew that people would use it for that, but that was never why he jail broke his PS3. He's never once endorsed pirating games yet that seems to be all people focus. Then there's the people who think because he's a hacker that he's of the type that hacks and cheats in games, when he's not.

I call a settlement a victory for George and the rest of us. For one Sony can't bring it's legal banhammer down on him for doing what was already deemed legal for the iPhone.(let's face it the deck was stacked in Sony's favor no matter how right he was) Second, Sony can't set the legal precedent that they still own your console after you've bought it.

In this case everybody wins; Sony gets to satisfy it's rage over being shown up by a college kid and George walks away with only the legal requirement that he not distribute the jailbrake code anymore; which matters little since it's already spread through the internet. Something Sony could have easily accomplished in the beginning with a simple C&D; would have saved them alot of bad PR.

Uh, where have you been and where do you get half the ideas you have?

Sony asked the court for all Hotz records. The judge gave it to them.
Sony asked the court for all the IPs connected to Hotz. The judge gave it to them.
Sony asked the court for Geohotz's property. The judge gave it to them.

Sony HAS set a precident that they can come here and bully people. If you fight back, the court has their back. Geohotz has undermined the credibility of anyone who speaks out against Sony and their litigous bullying. There is no win-win here. It's only one "win", and that's Sony's. They are obviously not scared of bad PR, and with the stunt Geohotz just pulled, whatever bad PR they garnered from this just went out the window.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Ever since I was a little kid I've been playing Sony published games on my Sony PS1. Since then I'm still playing games on my Sony products.

In short...screw you!

 

[justnotcricket]

I have a few (tangentially) related questions - these are totally genuine, I figure some people here might be able to give me a quicker rundown than me scouring the interwebs

1)So, when Sony took away this OtherOS thing, why did they do it? Did they think it wasn't worth supporting cos not enough people used it or something? I mean, there had to be some reason.

2) If people want OtherOS back, have they, I dunno, pulled together a petition or something? Or done something less exciting but more legal to try and get it back? Moreor less the 'more flies with honey than vinegar' approach. I mean, I can understand becoming annoyed if you got together a petition and Sony was still like 'Yeah...no', but even then, is what they did in taking it away actually against the law? Or just annoying?

3) Are the people who are angry just the people who bought the PS3 in order to install linux on it, and then an update or something took that ability away? Or has Sony done something else?

4) Genuine question, not trolling: Why would you install Linux on a PS3? I know people say 'world's cheapest supercomputer', but in order for that to work don't you have to do what the air force did and buy like 300 of the things? Which might be cheap by SC standards, but not by the average punter's income?

I freely admit that I have no particular issue with Sony, because I use my PS3 (and my TV is Sony too, actually) for playing games that I bought. I've never had anything negative come of it or been disadvantaged by them in any way, so I'm having trouble seeing why people hate Sony so much. But I'd like to understand, if it's something I should know about.

 

[JDKJ]

I have a few (tangentially) related questions - these are totally genuine, I figure some people here might be able to give me a quicker rundown than me scouring the interwebs

1)So, when Sony took away this OtherOS thing, why did they do it? Did they think it wasn't worth supporting cos not enough people used it or something? I mean, there had to be some reason.

2) If people want OtherOS back, have they, I dunno, pulled together a petition or something? Or done something less exciting but more legal to try and get it back? Moreor less the 'more flies with honey than vinegar' approach. I mean, I can understand becoming annoyed if you got together a petition and Sony was still like 'Yeah...no', but even then, is what they did in taking it away actually against the law? Or just annoying?

3) Are the people who are angry just the people who bought the PS3 in order to install linux on it, and then an update or something took that ability away? Or has Sony done something else?

4) Genuine question, not trolling: Why would you install Linux on a PS3? I know people say 'world's cheapest supercomputer', but in order for that to work don't you have to do what the air force did and buy like 300 of the things? Which might be cheap by SC standards, but not by the average punter's income?

I freely admit that I have no particular issue with Sony, because I use my PS3 (and my TV is Sony too, actually) for playing games that I bought. I've never had anything negative come of it or been disadvantaged by them in any way, so I'm having trouble seeing why people hate Sony so much. But I'd like to understand, if it's something I should know about.

1) OtherOS was making piracy more possible than it was without it, so Sony removed it.

2) PS3 owners have sued Sony in a number of class actions because OtherOS was removed, alleging false advertising , unfair trade practice, etc., etc. But that probably won't ever get OtherOS re-installed. That just gets them some money to compensate them for the loss.

3) Updating your firmware is generally what removed OtherOS from consoles that had it. Now, they don't even manufacture PS3s with it. Why people are upset runs the full spectrum. There are, I imagine, at one end of the spectrum some people (probably very few) who did legitimately want to run Linux. In the middle are probably the people who wanted to play pirated materials. On the other end of the spectrum are the fucking idiots who don't even own a PS3 but just like to hate on Sony.

4) Homebrewers, mostly (i.e., people who create their own games from scratch). The use Linux to write their code. But there probably aren't many of those out there.

 

[RowdyRodimus]

No, you do own the hardware, the actual physical piece of plastic, wires and metal. What you don't own is the programming that makes it work, those you are buying a license for. Sony doesn't care if you paint it, chop it into little pieces or throw it in a fire. What they do care about is if you mess with the programming and distribute how to do that.

You own the permission to use the hardware design and software contained.

Fair enough?

Yeah. I really didn't mean to sound like such a dick there. It's just that since this whole thing started people have gone so far as to say Sony can come to your house and take your PS3 for any reason. They hate the idea of corporations that they will say anything to make them seem to be the bad guy, part of which is stretching the truth to the point of breaking it by saying stuff like "Sony owns your PS3" instead of "Sony owns the programs used to run your PS3". Honestly they seem to have a victim complex where they know they are doing something wrong, but want to play it off as they are the victims fighting against their evil oppressors.

 

[JDKJ]

Is this little a-hole's 15 minutes up yet? I look forward to never hearing from him again, and sit in his place where he belongs with the Hansons and Vanilla Ice.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, diddy, ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding, ding, diddy, ding, ding.

That's a classic. Guaranteed to git the party bumpin'. Vanilla Ice, himself, might have been been a fake-ass wannabe, but "Ice, Ice, Baby" is a classic. That shit sold enough to make it No. 1 on Billboard's Hot 100 chart when rap was still way, way, way, underground. Hard to argue with that kinda success.

 

[JDKJ]

And this point, quite frankly, none with you.

Don't start none, won't be none.

EDIT: @JDKJ's edit: if you don't like having your points debated rhetorically, please cease backing your arguments up with logical fallacies and outright fabrications such as claiming to know what the defense, judge, and prosecutors were thinking, frequent appeals to authority, and outright attacking the person of another (seriously, you owe dan an apology).

Once a-fucking-gain, you are taking what I clearly state and twisting it into a pretzel to suit your narrow purposes. I said that I was weary, not of your rhetoric, but, rather, your silly-assed rhetorical ploys worthy of no one beyond the level of elementary school. Thanks for proving my point.

And if you'll kindly trot your ass over to the thread, you'll see where I long ago and before you started insisting on it sincerely and profusely apologize to dan for mistakenly attributing to him something that he never said. What more would you like me to do, Shylock? I've already given up the required pound of flesh. Unfortunately, you don't get any blood with it. So do us both a favor, please, and retire the "you need to apologize to dan" song and dance from you limited repertoire.

 

[Vanbael]

I give it three weeks before one of the people that donated money for legal fees tracks him down and tries to bash his head in with a pipe.

I will wager a box of air that it will be 2 weeks, and with a wrench, in front of his computer.


All in all, Geohot pretty much is a douche bag, and I will gladly continue to play and use Sony products. I have no problem with Sony, Sony has no problem with me.

 

[JDKJ]

I give it three weeks before one of the people that donated money for legal fees tracks him down and tries to bash his head in with a pipe.

I will wager a box of air that it will be 2 weeks, and with a wrench, in front of his computer.


All in all, Geohot pretty much is a douche bag, and I will gladly continue to play and use Sony products. I have no problem with Sony, Sony has no problem with me.

I'm betting on Colonel Mustard with the candlestick in the library.

 

[justnotcricket]

Questions...

1) OtherOS was making piracy more possible than it was without it, so Sony removed it.

2) PS3 owners have sued Sony in a number of class actions because OtherOS was removed, alleging false advertising , unfair trade practice, etc., etc. But that probably won't ever get OtherOS re-installed. That just gets them some money to compensate them for the loss.

3) Updating your firmware is generally what removed OtherOS from consoles that had it. Now, they don't even manufacture PS3s with it. Why people are upset runs the full spectrum. There are, I imagine, at one end of the spectrum some people (probably very few) who did legitimately want to run Linux. In the middle are probably the people who wanted to play pirated materials. On the other end of the spectrum are the fucking idiots who don't even own a PS3 but just like to hate on Sony.

4) Homebrewers, mostly (i.e., people who create their own games from scratch). But there probably aren't many of those out there.

I see...so if people are winning their cases against Sony for false advertising etc, why doesn't everyone just do that? I know instigating legal proceedings is expensive, but it doesn't seem like GeoHotz's approach has done anyone any favours either. And I can't believe he actually thought he was going to get away with what he did, just based on the fact that Sony doesn't allow jailbreaking (whether they should or not).

I did wonder how many people this OtherOS thing actually affects. I'm not saying they shouldn't complain, by no means, but I suppose that's the rice I pay for reading a gamer/computer fan forum =P The rage over it seemed disproportionate to the number of people I could actually imagine using that function, and perhaps *only* having a pS3 for that reason.

Can't homebrewers work something else out with Sony? I'm not a homebrewer myself, so I really have no idea about making stuff for a platform that I didn't build. Well, that's not entirely true - I work with a lot of laboratory equipment that I write my own programs for, but then the manufacturers tend to build the object with that in mind, I suppose. I guess licences to develop for Sony are rather expensive...? ;-P

Also, does the firmware update happen automatically when you connect it to the internet or something? Or in games? So, I have an old PS3 that's never been connected to anything but my TV - does that mean that I have this OtherOS thing still (which tbh, I never knew existed until I saw threads like these)?

 

[JDKJ]

Questions...

1) OtherOS was making piracy more possible than it was without it, so Sony removed it.

2) PS3 owners have sued Sony in a number of class actions because OtherOS was removed, alleging false advertising , unfair trade practice, etc., etc. But that probably won't ever get OtherOS re-installed. That just gets them some money to compensate them for the loss.

3) Updating your firmware is generally what removed OtherOS from consoles that had it. Now, they don't even manufacture PS3s with it. Why people are upset runs the full spectrum. There are, I imagine, at one end of the spectrum some people (probably very few) who did legitimately want to run Linux. In the middle are probably the people who wanted to play pirated materials. On the other end of the spectrum are the fucking idiots who don't even own a PS3 but just like to hate on Sony.

4) Homebrewers, mostly (i.e., people who create their own games from scratch). But there probably aren't many of those out there.

I see...so if people are winning their cases against Sony for false advertising etc, why doesn't everyone just do that? I know instigating legal proceedings is expensive, but it doesn't seem like GeoHotz's approach has done anyone any favours either. And I can't believe he actually thought he was going to get away with what he did, just based on the fact that Sony doesn't allow jailbreaking (whether they should or not).

I did wonder how many people this OtherOS thing actually affects. I'm not saying they shouldn't complain, by no means, but I suppose that's the rice I pay for reading a gamer/computer fan forum =P The rage over it seemed disproportionate to the number of people I could actually imagine using that function, and perhaps *only* having a pS3 for that reason.

Can't homebrewers work something else out with Sony? I'm not a homebrewer myself, so I really have no idea about making stuff for a platform that I didn't build. Well, that's not entirely true - I work with a lot of laboratory equipment that I write my own programs for, but then the manufacturers tend to build the object with that in mind, I suppose. I guess licences to develop for Sony are rather expensive...? ;-P

Also, does the firmware update happen automatically when you connect it to the internet or something? Or in games? So, I have an old PS3 that's never been connected to anything but my TV - does that mean that I have this OtherOS thing still (which tbh, I never knew existed until I saw threads like these)?

There's a four question limit per customer per day. As much as I'd love to answer you, rules are rules. : P

 

[fenrizz]

i never liked this guy. he's smart enough to jail break the ps3 but not smart enough to relise pirates will use it to pirate games?

so what if other people use it to pirate games?

It is his legally bought hardware, and he ought to do what he damn well please with it.
Which in his case is installing Linux on it.

Which was an advertised feature that Sony later removed.

Thank the gods I live in a country where my personal property is mine to do with as I see fit.

What you don't see sony in the right for trying protect there business from piracy? Also if you bought a PS3 just to run linux then you're a bit of an idiot

Sure they have the right to protect their buisness from piracy.

But that right does not in any way override the right I have to do as I see fit with my legally bought hardware.

And at no point does it give you the right to pirate games from game developers either, which is what most of these hackers are doing

Are you purpouslly missing my point here?

I never said anything about pirating games. Not once.

And no matter what hackers and others do, it does not give Sony, or any other hardware manufacturer, the right to determine what I can or cannot do with my hardware.

 

[ProjectTrinity]

The JDKJ thread is still going I see....

I like JDKJ's responses. As long as you're pretty detached from the conversations/topic at hand, many of his points are dead on.

 

[JDKJ]

The JDKJ thread is still going I see....

I find it odd that people care so much. Did anyone really think Sony was going to lose?

P.S. Don't feed the.... aw hell, never mind.

C'mon, man. I just passed the 1000-post mark. Now is no time to rest on my laurels. Onward and upward, through the night.

 

[justnotcricket]

Questions...

1) OtherOS was making piracy more possible than it was without it, so Sony removed it.

2) PS3 owners have sued Sony in a number of class actions because OtherOS was removed, alleging false advertising , unfair trade practice, etc., etc. But that probably won't ever get OtherOS re-installed. That just gets them some money to compensate them for the loss.

3) Updating your firmware is generally what removed OtherOS from consoles that had it. Now, they don't even manufacture PS3s with it. Why people are upset runs the full spectrum. There are, I imagine, at one end of the spectrum some people (probably very few) who did legitimately want to run Linux. In the middle are probably the people who wanted to play pirated materials. On the other end of the spectrum are the fucking idiots who don't even own a PS3 but just like to hate on Sony.

4) Homebrewers, mostly (i.e., people who create their own games from scratch). But there probably aren't many of those out there.

I see...so if people are winning their cases against Sony for false advertising etc, why doesn't everyone just do that? I know instigating legal proceedings is expensive, but it doesn't seem like GeoHotz's approach has done anyone any favours either. And I can't believe he actually thought he was going to get away with what he did, just based on the fact that Sony doesn't allow jailbreaking (whether they should or not).

I did wonder how many people this OtherOS thing actually affects. I'm not saying they shouldn't complain, by no means, but I suppose that's the rice I pay for reading a gamer/computer fan forum =P The rage over it seemed disproportionate to the number of people I could actually imagine using that function, and perhaps *only* having a pS3 for that reason.

Can't homebrewers work something else out with Sony? I'm not a homebrewer myself, so I really have no idea about making stuff for a platform that I didn't build. Well, that's not entirely true - I work with a lot of laboratory equipment that I write my own programs for, but then the manufacturers tend to build the object with that in mind, I suppose. I guess licences to develop for Sony are rather expensive...? ;-P

Also, does the firmware update happen automatically when you connect it to the internet or something? Or in games? So, I have an old PS3 that's never been connected to anything but my TV - does that mean that I have this OtherOS thing still (which tbh, I never knew existed until I saw threads like these)?

There's a four question limit per customer per day. As much as I'd love to answer you, rules are rules. : P

That's alright, I'll wait til tomorrow. Mind you, I do live in Tomorrowland =P