I don't care that Geohotz put Linux on his system, I care that he put the code on the internet and gave which allowed people to play pirated games on their ps3. I'm pretty sure that's the part that pissed Sony off the most. Still if Geohotz hadn't put that code on the internet than none of this would have happened.
Sony doesn't need to accept anything. It's their console, their rules. If they put in the TOS that they still technically own it and you sign it then it's theirs, unfortunately. I'm all for fighting little crusades but leave the people you're trying to "help" out of it. (to whomever is behind this)
Also, this geohotz guy is a little *****. Yes, Sony totally intentionally gave away all of your person information. Who does he think he is?
Your so right. all he did was enact a little crusade and tried to say it was for the benefit of other Sony Consumers and have the audacity to say he was doing others a favor. I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of gamers didn't want or need for Geofag to pretend to do us all a favor.
I had no problem in my relationship as a consumer with Sony until all this hacking crap started. I don't care if he had nothing to do with it, i will still lay a little blame on Geofag for kicking up the shitstorm about hacking and pretending it was for the common good of all gamers. Sony could have gone to town on him but it was settled out of court, the last thing i would do in his position is go shouting my mouth off.
He treats Sony like its an evil corporation, when to me, a loyal consumer their service was great.
As it has been pointed out in the article, your line of reasoning doesn't even work here; every single other platform of note has been jailbreaked/hacked years prior, yet none of their related proprietary networks/systems have had a breach of security this big.
So all you have are more claims with no proof; just more fallacious thinking.
Contrary to how reality works, just because you keep saying something, it won't necessarily come true.
Oh god that face, that smug, arrogant little face! Ugh.
OT: While he ain't directly responsible for all this, he did kinda start it all. But still, having said that, maybe Sony could've prevented this better.
Sony doesn't need to accept anything. It's their console, their rules. If they put in the TOS that they still technically own it and you sign it then it's theirs, unfortunately. I'm all for fighting little crusades but leave the people you're trying to "help" out of it. (to whomever is behind this)
Also, this geohotz guy is a little *****. Yes, Sony totally intentionally gave away all of your person information. Who does he think he is?
I don't care that Geohotz put Linux on his system, I care that he put the code on the internet and gave which allowed people to play pirated games on their ps3. I'm pretty sure that's the part that pissed Sony off the most. Still if Geohotz hadn't put that code on the internet than none of this would have happened.
I agree with the lack of clutter, but look at how the yellow clashes with the muted colours of the walls and floor. As for the floor, it looks like a fitted carpet, which is a big no-no.
Furthermore, the furniture is of wholly disparate styles, and again, the colour-schemes are all off.
I ask you, is it too much to ask for some consistency and deliberation?
I'm actually wondering here, did they use hacked PS3's to steal the info (might have missed that post.)? If not, I'm not sure why Geohot's input is relevant.
I seriously doubt that this debacle would've happened if Sony hadn't painted a big bullseye on their arses and stood around shouting "All hackers are fags lol!".
Look at the iPhone. Apple repeatedly breaks the ability to jailbreak the thing with every major update. I think the record is 12 hours to get a working jailbreak after a "security update". But Apple aren't really being dicks about it, so the jailbreakers are treating it like a cat/mouse game.
But Sony ARE being dicks about it by bringing out the lawyers, so the hackers are treating it like war.
I'm not saying the hackers are in the right. But this was an easily mitigateable circumstance.
Considering this has all happened so quickly, you can't help but link them all.
Even if he didn't do it, its his behaviour that has quite possibly led to this whole thing by someone else acting on his behalf in retaliation to Sony.
I'm tired of these fuck-faces and their stupid little crusades against companies just because they're big, and I'm even more tired of the people that voice their support for them.
And that smug little prick's face is even more unbearable than Kotick's grin.
You know, you're the second person I've seen spouting this nonsense, and I'd like to set you straight. It has absolutely nothing to do with childish notions of "sticking it to the man" and everything to do with consumers standing up and taking back the rights that companies have been getting a free pass on violating lately, and when they haven't been violated yet, preventing the violation from happening in the first place. Regardless of what the TOS says, if I buy something, it's mine, and as the owner, I have certain rights. End of discussion.
Fusioncode9 said:
I don't care that Geohotz put Linux on his system, I care that he put the code on the internet and gave which allowed people to play pirated games on their ps3. I'm pretty sure that's the part that pissed Sony off the most. Still if Geohotz hadn't put that code on the internet than none of this would have happened.
You do realize that code is what allowed him to get Linux back, right? All it is is the master code which the PS3 checks for to make sure that it's allowed to run whatever program asks to run. The hacks for the Wii and the 360 allow the system to run unsigned code; what this does is sign it, skipping that step entirely.
Hashing passwords is a basic security measure that wasn't undertaken, which would indicate that the security was not serviceable. If you don't know what such an algorithm is, I suggest reading up on them; there are many options, and the designers have gone into excruciating detail so that anyone who can program can implement the design.
Considering this has all happened so quickly, you can't help but link them all.
Even if he didn't do it, its his behaviour that has quite possibly led to this whole thing by someone else acting on his behalf in retaliation to Sony.
I'm tired of these fuck-faces and their stupid little crusades against companies just because they're big, and I'm even more tired of the people that voice their support for them.
And that smug little prick's face is even more unbearable than Kotick's grin.
You know, you're the second person I've seen spouting this nonsense, and I'd like to set you straight. It has absolutely nothing to do with childish notions of "sticking it to the man" and everything to do with consumers standing up and taking back the rights that companies have been getting a free pass on violating lately, and when they haven't been violated yet, preventing the violation from happening in the first place. Regardless of what the TOS says, if I buy something, it's mine, and as the owner, I have certain rights. End of discussion.
Actually, its not "fuck the TOS". The TOS is an agreement that you make when you buy it. If you don't agree, you don't buy it. Pretty fucking clear.
Sony have hardly put anyone's cock in a vice. The reason they close their systems off is because they don't want people to be able to pirate stuff which, funnily enough, started happening after this guy made pirating an option for everyone.
Considering this has all happened so quickly, you can't help but link them all.
Even if he didn't do it, its his behaviour that has quite possibly led to this whole thing by someone else acting on his behalf in retaliation to Sony.
I'm tired of these fuck-faces and their stupid little crusades against companies just because they're big, and I'm even more tired of the people that voice their support for them.
And that smug little prick's face is even more unbearable than Kotick's grin.
I have no knowledge on the subject, but the PSN runs (relatively) smoothly for years then GeoHot posts the rootkey. Weeks later the PSN is hacked. Could just be a coincidence, but it looks fishy. And yes, I have the urge to punch him in his smug fucking face.
Considering how a lot of people were mis-blaming him in a frenzy (not helped by the fact that not a lot of them has a firm grasp of the situation), it's more than reasonable for him to clear things up on his side. And from what I read on the case, he was involved in the hardware hack, but not the online service systems. Which leads me to:
Gutkrusha said:
Many 360s themselves have been hacked and broken into, but Microsoft protects xbox live a lot harder and better than Sony does with PSN. When someone actually pays for something, (Xbox live) They're entitled to refunds and the like. Microsoft doesn't like losing money, so they spend a lot of time keeping XBL fairly secure.
Yes. In an online age, it's becoming more and more vital for any online service to safeguard the user accounts and information, especially so for a service like PSN which also deals in business with real currency. And even more so if they intend to keep this up for years to come. Sony demanded private information on GeoHotz, have his Paypal account blocked, and even people who just happened to visit his website (presumably in the name of 'law & justice'); they themselves treat their users' info with insufficient respect. If I may assume from this, they probably have no respect for anybody's private info at all.
Unencrypted personal details
Credit card data was encrypted, but Sony admitted that user information was not encrypted at the time of the intrusion. The Daily Telegraph reported that "If the provider stores passwords unencrypted, then it's very easy for somebody else - not just an external attacker, but members of staff or contractors working on Sony's site ? to get access and discover those passwords, potentially using them for nefarious means."
There goes my 3 accounts: US, Europe & Japan, all using the same password. Not very impressive, if you ask me.
Popular as it is to hate GeoHotz right now, I don't think a good part of these people have a solid idea aside from the fact that he's a "bad hacker who breaks various laws". He's not the first console hacker, and won't be the last; the attentions just happened to make him a target. Just a reminder: Law =/= Truth/Morality [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_law]. Which reminds me:
Legal action against Sony
A lawsuit was posted on 27 April 2011, by Kristopher Johns from Birmingham, Alabama on behalf of all PlayStation users alleging Sony "failed to encrypt data and establish adequate firewalls to handle a server intrusion contingency, failed to provide prompt and adequate warnings of security breaches, and unreasonably delayed in bringing the PSN service back online." According to the complaint filed in the lawsuit, Sony has failed to notify members of a possible security breach and storing member's credit card information, a violation of PCI Compliance ? the digital security standard for the Payment Card Industry.
Hashing passwords is a basic security measure that wasn't undertaken, which would indicate that the security was not serviceable. If you don't know what such an algorithm is, I suggest reading up on them; there are many options, and the designers have gone into excruciating detail so that anyone who can program can implement the design.
I'm always called out on something. Anyway the point still stands that the hacker(s) is the person who stole the details, not Sony, but that they should have had way stronger security.
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