George Lucas is "Retiring" From Film

Adzma

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Samus Aaron said:
Who the hell cares that Lucas altered his films? Is he not entitled to create his stories as he wishes? Further, his edits are so minor that they're barely noticeable at all, and any person who hasn't seen the unaltered versions wouldn't think any less of the altered versions.
Not sure if serious...

If you truely don't understand why the Special Editions are so offensive, then you don't understand Star Wars at all.

At the end of the day people wouldn't have a problem with Lucas editing the films if he actually released the orginal theatrical cuts along side his shitty versions.

I really don't see why Lucas is so hated despite everything he has accomplished.
Let's not forget either that everything that was good about Star Wars came from other people besides George Lucas.
 

Sojoez

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Nasrin said:
When people expect a movie to be bad they will look at every little bit to criticize and often overlook the good stuff. I guess thats how we humans are though. It happens with a lot of stuff. I watched the Crystal Skull again a few weeks ago. Sure it wasn't a good movie storywise and Shia isn't the best actor ever (neither the worst) but it looked good. Most conversations where ok and I really liked that the way Indiana's son was written. (i.e the lust for adventure)

Hell, I've even seen an Uwe Boll movie that was good.
 

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He still can't get it through his thick flanneled skull: We don't hate HIM, we hate his meddling with a work that the world loved, and completely eliminating character development in one fraction of a second with a shitty edit.

Everyone would shut their mouths if he released the original unedited versions, but he's so dense he's gotten vindictive:
"What ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody will remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30-40 years."
-George Lucas, "An Epanded Universe"
American Cinematographer Magazine, Feb 1997


He blames the fans for not wanting to make movies when he had plenty of time to make the dozen other original ideas he had put on the shelf to instead whore out star wars for merchandising since the 70's.

But then he's always been a douchebag. He fired an editor for one of the original films because the guy thought lucas' "shot-reverse-shot" scenes of characters merely walking and sitting down were too uninteresting and lazy. The only reason the original trilogy looked so good was because he had people there to challenge his stupid ideas. He actually wanted Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade to take place in a HAUNTED CASTLE! If you look at the footage behind the scenes of Indy 4, everyone points to George for the bad ideas, such as space ships and aliens... the original title was going to be "Indiana Jones And The Men From Mars". So George can't create movies for shit, but he has good ideas if others can direct them
 

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Akalabeth said:
Hey buddy, if you want people to stop complaining about how badly you're screwing up your films why don't you do something easy like RELEASING THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS.

Stupid jackass.
But they don't fit my original vision that I keep changing.
 

FinalDream

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Now for the corporate fat cats to really run Star Wars into the ground!

You'll all be running to Lucas, begging him to return and save us all, just mark my words escapist!
 

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InvisibleMan said:
No one ever said Lucas is a terrible person! Only that he is a terrible director...
No kidding; especially when he made changes to Empire and Jedi which he didn't write OR direct. I still don't know why Lucas insisted on directing and writing the prequels when he admitted that he wasn't very good at either.
 

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its good to finally see the star wars movies being shelved, at least for a few years.


We all know he will be back, or someone will come and take his place at the head of the star wars milking train, its a too popular franchise to leave alone. I hate to say it but there's still milk in this cash cow, look at all the publicity its still getting.

you know all this talk makes me want to watch the originals again, unfortunately i cant as i dont own them still or a working vhs player.
 

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Samus Aaron said:
Who the hell cares that Lucas altered his films? Is he not entitled to create his stories as he wishes? Further, his edits are so minor that they're barely noticeable at all, and any person who hasn't seen the unaltered versions wouldn't think any less of the altered versions. I really don't see why Lucas is so hated despite everything he has accomplished.
I'll let George Lucas answer you.

My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.
I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I've come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.
The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.
A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as "when life begins" or "when it should be appropriately terminated," but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.
These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.
There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.
I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.
I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.
The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.
There are those who say American law is sufficient. That's an outrage! It's not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of "The Maltese Falcon?" Why are films cut up and butchered?
Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.
I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art, as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.

Remember, Lucas isn't even the screenwriter nor director for two of "his" films.
 

Twilight_guy

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And then thousands of fanboys who have an overdeveloped sense of identity in other people's work literally ripped the artist out of his artwork with there complaining. Congratulations internet you whined so hard you made an artist give up. You sad sacks can go and be happy in your notions of purity over a series of films that you in no way contributed and yet are so central to your life that you still ***** about them after decades. Ah but why do I even bother clearly bitching louder makes you more important and I'm sure I'll hear plenty of that in response to this post.

On a less deeply cynical and blind rage filled note, in an alternate universe somewhere where people support what George Lucas did with the movie the internet is weeping right now.
 

Waaghpowa

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So does this mean I can finally get copies of the UNALTERED Star Wars trilogy on blu ray now?
 

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FinalDream said:
Now for the corporate fat cats to really run Star Wars into the ground!

You'll all be running to Lucas, begging him to return and save us all, just mark my words escapist!
I really can't see it being worse.
 

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Yeah but here is a huge question that no one seems to consider. (Yes I am going to play the wet tee-shirt of this thread... *thinks* wait no that's wet blanket... now my boyfriend is snickering at me *rolls eyes*)

What if he out of spite decides to utterly murder Star Wars? As in no more novels, no more movies, no more video games. Period. Please don't say it can't be done because there are artists who have cut their own ears off over less. (Admittedly they were probably nuttier than aunt Edna's fruit cake but still)

My biggest criticism of Lucas is simple: He is less involved in his own work than we, the hardcore Star Wars fans are. We know every line, the background provided and how it all meshes in with the Expanded Universe. This guy probably couldn't tell you guys who Nomi Sunrider is and what her importance was to the Star Wars Universe and the ever expanding story during the Old Republic period. (Brownie points if you do!)

So in truth we should all cut him slack to a certain point. But only to a POINT.

I drew the line at the Blu Ray messing with Darth Vader during the throne room scene. Special Edition gave me the chance to see the original films on the big screen. (You cant tell me it wasn't a thrill to sit in a darkened theater and to hear the 20th Century Fox fanfare and then see the opening crawl... if you didn't then you most certainly are not one of us and what are you doing on this thread?! Ewoks with Lasers on your heads! SICK'EM!... er... heh.. okay now my boyfriend is trying to take the keyboard away... nooo ... bad bad BAD DOG! wihwdkflq,,f...
 

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While George does have a perfectly valid wish to re-hash his own movies to fit his original vision for them now that movie technology has advanced to the point that he can do so, he is forgetting one crucial thing: movies are made for the public, not for your own personal interest. The reason he gets backlash is because the public already fell in love with what he was able to do with his vision in the original trilogy. So really, in short, apparently no one ever told George "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The original series captivated audiences and catipulted George from obscurity to instant fame...there was no need to add anything more to them as anything that was added would just seem like extra bells and whistles on an already outstanding product.

Is it fair for George to say he isn't happy with his own series because when it was originally created movie technology limited what he was able to do with it? Sure it is. It's his creation. But what's done is done, write an autobiography and mention all the things you wish you could have done, but like I said: movies are made specifically for the public, and if the public liked the movies as they originally were, then there's absolutely no reason to go around changing them. As an exagerated example, it'd be like Leonardo going to the original Mona Lisa and drawing in some braces for her teeth saying "I wanted to express how even flawless beauty is imperfect, but braces hadn't been invented yet." Sure it's fine for him to feel that way about his own work, but to the public who enjoys said work he's ruining his own masterpiece.
 

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Hooray!

But this sounds like pouty artist complaining - will not be surprising when he comes out of retirement.