George Lucas is "Retiring" From Film

Nimcha

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Well he's pretty much right in saying that everyone's calling him an asshole for editing his own films. But saying that only gives them more ammunation...

Oh well, the one thing I've learned about Star Wars haters is that there's no pleasing them either way.
 

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And then thousands of fanboys who have an overdeveloped sense of identity in other people's work literally ripped the artist out of his artwork with there complaining. Congratulations internet you whined so hard you made an artist give up. You sad sacks can go and be happy in your notions of purity over a series of films that you in no way contributed and yet are so central to your life that you still ***** about them after decades. Ah but why do I even bother clearly bitching louder makes you more important and I'm sure I'll hear plenty of that in response to this post.

On a less deeply cynical and blind rage filled note, in an alternate universe somewhere where people support what George Lucas did with the movie the internet is weeping right now.
Oh wait, except for he's making changes to Episode V and VI, whose screenplay were written by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan and directed by Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand. The fact is that he has been making changes to other people's work and altering movies with historical significance for decades simply because he owns the franchise.

Something <url=http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/09/george-lucass-1988-speech-about-preservi.php>he himself decried in Congress.

Hypocrisy much?

So bloody calm down, mate.
 

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I still like you Mister Lucas. I question some of your decisions, but I still remember that, without you, I wouldn't have Star Wars. My bookshelves would be empty, I would have no MicroMachine star ships, a completely different life, and no IDEA what a lightsaber is. Culture would not be what it is today without you. Funny how people tend to forget that.

On a side note, I'm totally going to see Red Tails. It looks amazing.
 

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"On the internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie. I'm saying: 'Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.' Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?"

The mind boggling arrogance of this man is breath taking. Why refuse to release the original cuts?

I know this is illegal but every one should download a torrent of the laser disk rips in protest.
 

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It is hilarious--and sad-- that this is probably the best thing that will ever happen to Star Wars. Today I learned that the guy behind the curtain wasn't a master craftsman, but an accidental hero.
 

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What if he out of spite decides to utterly murder Star Wars? As in no more novels, no more movies, no more video games. Period. Please don't say it can't be done because there are artists who have cut their own ears off over less. (Admittedly they were probably nuttier than aunt Edna's fruit cake but still)
I'd say good. The brand needs a rest. When you can't turn around without seeing a newly licensed product, it's a little bit heartbreaking. Lucas has licensed it out to everything and anything. Name a product and there's a Star Wars tie-in. If he would have been choosier, more circumspect about what products he allowed to use the Star Wars brand, I think it would be a better, stronger product. I don't need a Yoda coin purse or a plush talking Boba Fett. No one does. Sure, some people like those things, but all they do is dilute the brand.

I'm a Star Wars fan from way back. I grew up on it, but watching Lucas continually dish out the license to anyone waving a wad of cash while he not only tinkers with beloved movies that many of us spent much of our childhood watching but also puts out three movies that while set in the same universe barely feel connected (that doesn't even include bullshit like JarJar Binks and the horrible casting and acting throughout) has really made me feel that Lucas lost his way early on. He went from a guy with an amazing story to tell to a guy that sold out for money.

RJ 17 said:
movies are made for the public, not for your own personal interest.
I have to disagree with you somewhat here. Yes, some people make things for the public and generally those things are shitty, shitty, shitty. Look at any TV show or movie that's made for an "audience" and they are usually terrible.

When writers, artists, directors make things for themselves that also happen to be publicly available that's when we see true artistic integrity and quality products.

Star Wars and it's sequels came about because George Lucas had a story to tell and he enlisted a talented group of people to bring that to life. I really don't believe that he made the first movie "for the public". I think Lucas wanted to make movies, to be sure, but he wanted to make Star Wars because it was his story and he wanted to see it up on the big screen.

Quentin Tarantino didn't make Pulp Fiction for the public. He made it because he wanted to direct movies for himself, as a film lover.

Peter Jackson did LotR because he wanted to make films out of beloved books.

It's a happy coincidence that these movies were also massive hits with the public, but it's not because they were designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator or used market research to see what people wanted in movies. They were hits because these directors wanted to tell a story using the film medium and they had passion for what they were doing. Passion often shines through and the audience can see it. It also drives people to create the most amazing thing they can, not because it makes more money, but because they are satisfying personal standards.

I think that after the success of the original trilogy George Lucas lost the passion that made Star Wars a reality and at the same time he realized that he had a money making machine on his hands and he milked it to the fullest, and continues to do so. Is that his right? Certainly it is. Is it making him shit loads of money? Indeed it is. Is he pleasing the people that were instrumental in the initial success, the fans? No, he is not.
 

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Just imagine, if you will, talking to your grandkids one day, and they talk about this old movie they saw called Star Wars, and they talk about the Greedo scene. Just imagine them saying Greedo is a horrible person for trying to shoot Han...
 

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Lets hope Red Tails is a high note to leave on.

Anyway, I feel sorry for George. Not that any of the dicks he was talking about will cause god forbid a creator adapt his own work, but I feel sorry for him.
 

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I just know that the second the original trilogy comes out, and I mean the ORIGINAL, unaltered trilogy, in high-def, I will swarm all over it.

If that means Lucas retiring, then yippee! I'm all for it.
 

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I was ready to call bullsh*t on this until I read the fanboy comment. Its kind of funny the crap you get from some people about Star Wars. The original (2D) animated series was so good I almost blew my brains out when I saw people ripping it to pieces.
 

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See what you fanboys and fangirls have done, 'wahhh he is changing his own franchise wahhh'.

Are you people so selfish you think you know what is best for his work. Nostalgia really is a *****.
 

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Wow. It looks like the Star Wars fan community finally broke George Lucas.
 

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Too bad his current film is going to be a three parter that will cost more in the long run then any "small budget" picture he's thinking of. He has never done small. Take away Lucas Arts and Magic, take away John Williams symphony, take away big name actors, and take himself out, THEN he can start making "small budget films". Considering John Williams costs more then most indie films, he is totally whacko if he thinks he's going small.

Every big name director wants to go small so they can make whatever they want, with no big studio exec saying over their shoulder, "Let's make a part of a black Asian female child, so we can show diversity" or "Lets make the cowboys be friend's with the Indians, in you're old west biopic." Only problem is, without the studios, it's difficult, even for George Lucas, to get the word out, or even advertise a movie. The studios control most aspects of marketing.

Tl:dr - Won't happen, the Lucas has bark worse than bite.
 

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"Why would I make any more," Lucas stated about continuing with his popular sci-fi universe, "when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?"

Not the best logic ever...
We think you're a terrible person, George, because you made more bad films. Clearly everyone was on board with what you were doing only until you started to rape Harrison Ford in public.
I'll assume you're just using the phrase "terrible person" because its what he used; actually using that as a way to describe him is just silly.

OT: He's one of those people who re-reads or re-watches their own work and constantly finds things that niggle at them. If you can't relate to that you're either apathetic towards everything you've ever produced beyond belief, or you're a liar.

Its all tinkering at most - the biggest thing (Greedo shooting first) really doesn't affect proceedings anywhere near as much as people claim.
 

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At the end of the day people wouldn't have a problem with Lucas editing the films if he actually released the orginal theatrical cuts along side his shitty versions.
I think this is the most salient point. I don't have a problem with him editing the films to offer different takes. Sepcial editions are fine in their own context. What irks me is when he tells me that I can no longer get the version of the film I grew up loving because he has decided that it isn't the real version anymore.

It is also the arrogance of him believing that he is solely responsible for what the product was. Many many other people edited and influenced what those first movies were. Heck, Empire, considered by many to be the best of the films, is the one he had the least to do with from a control standpoint. Deciding that he has the right to completely alter or remove their influence is pure douchebaggery at its finest.
 

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Samus Aaron said:
Who the hell cares that Lucas altered his films? Is he not entitled to create his stories as he wishes? Further, his edits are so minor that they're barely noticeable at all, and any person who hasn't seen the unaltered versions wouldn't think any less of the altered versions. I really don't see why Lucas is so hated despite everything he has accomplished.
I'll let George Lucas answer you.

My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation.
I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I've come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.
The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.
A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as "when life begins" or "when it should be appropriately terminated," but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.
These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.
There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.
I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.
I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.
The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.
There are those who say American law is sufficient. That's an outrage! It's not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of "The Maltese Falcon?" Why are films cut up and butchered?
Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.
I hope you have the courage to lead America in acknowledging the importance of American art to the human race, and accord the proper protection for the creators of that art, as it is accorded them in much of the rest of the world communities.

Remember, Lucas isn't even the screenwriter nor director for two of "his" films.
I see your frustration, but this address was given more than twenty years ago. Peoples' values and perspectives change over time. Sure, maybe this warrants some annoyance, but should it cause people to despise the man? I don't think so.

Adzma said:
Samus Aaron said:
Who the hell cares that Lucas altered his films? Is he not entitled to create his stories as he wishes? Further, his edits are so minor that they're barely noticeable at all, and any person who hasn't seen the unaltered versions wouldn't think any less of the altered versions.
Not sure if serious...

If you truely don't understand why the Special Editions are so offensive, then you don't understand Star Wars at all.

At the end of the day people wouldn't have a problem with Lucas editing the films if he actually released the orginal theatrical cuts along side his shitty versions.

I really don't see why Lucas is so hated despite everything he has accomplished.
Let's not forget either that everything that was good about Star Wars came from other people besides George Lucas.
Oh please, anyone who isn't a diehard Star Wars fanboy can see that "his shitty versions" are barely different from the originals at all. So Han shot first, so what? These are minor changes that don't detract much at all from the films as a whole.
 

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I want to reply to a lot of messages on here, but I can't so I'll just reply to this one, as I see it as the most absurd:

DVS BSTrD said:
The thing George Lucas never really appreciated was that after he released the Star Wars to the public, it wasn't just a part of his life anymore, it became a part of OUR lives.
The one thing that confuses me is that supposedly he doesn't appreciate given you Star Wars, but you(the fans) don't appreciate getting Star Wars?

DVS BSTrD said:
And as the obscene amounts of money he made off the original Trilogy showed, WE liked it just fine. So when you start going back and altering/ruining with other people's memories for your own selfish reasons, you shouldn't be surprised that we got A LITTLE UPSET ABOUT IT!
He also made obscene amounts of money off the next Trilogy, which shows that people(like me) liked it just fine.

To be honest, it seems to me both parties are being Selfish. On GL's side: "I want to change SW to the way I always wanted" and the fan's "Don't change things, we don't like change!".

I don't see either one side being in the right as personally I would want GL to talk it over with the other people involved to see what to do/not to do.

With the fans, I don't really think they have any say in the matter (as evidence between the two of us) as fans differ on what they want. Fans shouldn't declare what they know should go into a universe or not. Maybe just my personal opinion, but I stand by it.

Also your memories weren't ruined. Unless GL came to your house and beat you with a fake lightsaber while saying "The New Trilogy was better!", your memories are fine.

It's fine to be upset about stuff like this. You have personal taste and you didn't like it and that's ok. However, don't act like it was done to personally make you mad.

Now on topic:
As a fan of Lucas I don't see how anything changed. He's just not making any big budget movies any more (which may be good or bad depending on how Red Tails works out).

He already said he wasn't making any more star wars movies (which I admit to being a little sad about) so I fail to see any real significance to this news (other than both sides spewing out hate for each other).

You had a good run GL, sad to see you go. May the Force be with you.