Ghosts of Tsushima Review thread

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I'm very deep into the 1970s Lone Wolf and Cub manga. The material was so miraculously researched. Such rich historical information. As a European living in America, I wouldn't dare make a video game about Feudal Japan. White people will never go that deep. Martin Scorsese's movie was interesting, but it was only three hours long, not thirty, with as many stories and places as in Ghost of Tsushima or Assassin's Creed Shadows. I guess the fact that a European or American-made game will never be truly authentic is one reason I can't remember ever wishing for such a game from them, even ignoring the ridiculous leftism. It's not as personal for them because it's not their culture.
 

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If you really want to not be racist, rather than demanding that everybody stay within their own bubble, maybe ask some people whose culture is being represented how they feel about it. Like, for instance, the editors of Famitsu, who gave the game a 40/40 (that being four reviewers who each gave it a 10/10).


Or the local government of Tsushima, who made Sucker Punch Productions their official tourism ambassadors.


Or the general gaming population of Japan, where the game's platinum.


Or, conversely, the people who accused the guy who played the shakuhachi for the game's reveal trailer of cultural appropriation without realizing he's an accredited master of the instrument.

 

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I'm very deep into the 1970s Lone Wolf and Cub manga. The material was so miraculously researched. Such rich historical information. As a European living in America, I wouldn't dare make a video game about Feudal Japan. White people will never go that deep. Martin Scorsese's movie was interesting, but it was only three hours long, not thirty, with as many stories and places as in Ghost of Tsushima or Assassin's Creed Shadows. I guess the fact that a European or American-made game will never be truly authentic is one reason I can't remember ever wishing for such a game from them, even ignoring the ridiculous leftism. It's not as personal for them because it's not their culture.
Get your fucking head out of you ignorant and selectively oblivious ass. You've made it clear you don't enjoy any of these games. So why even bother? (don't even answer that; rhetorical) Of course this is said by white man that has issues with a Japanese woman being the lead protag in the next game. Yet hated the last game and claimed to not give a damn about the title, but gets his panties in a bunch because a woman is a main character and it's not "historically accurate". Go screw off and play Tomb Raider or whatever games gives you jollies to your unsatisfied nostalgia boner.

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If you really want to not be racist, rather than demanding that everybody stay within their own bubble, maybe ask some people whose culture is being represented how they feel about it. Like, for instance, the editors of Famitsu, who gave the game a 40/40 (that being four reviewers who each gave it a 10/10).


Or the local government of Tsushima, who made Sucker Punch Productions their official tourism ambassadors.


Or the general gaming population of Japan, where the game's platinum.


Or, conversely, the people who accused the guy who played the shakuhachi for the game's reveal trailer of cultural appropriation without realizing he's an accredited master of the instrument.

Ezekiel, can't handle the truth.

This is still the most awesome moment with Sucker Punch. Japan loves SP's game and are ready for more!

There is also this love from the Yakuza/LAD director too.

 
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Are those Japanese players and game magazine editors experts? People of my home town would be happy to have the place used as a setting, regardless of detail, as long as the depiction isn't disrespectful. I'm sure the level of detail is unimpressive. Foreigners aren't gonna research adequately and don't already have the bed of knowledge on which to place that information. It's way harder for a foreigner. He'll get lazy and won't bother the Japanese Japan expert enough.

Thanks for bringing up classic Tomb Raider. Way more engaging than the majority of new games.
 

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Are those Japanese players and game magazine editors experts?
They know more shit than you. Suck it. Helps they're actually Japanese and know their shit. You don't and pretend you do like your the smartest one in the room. Once again, you can't handle the truth.

Thanks for bringing up classic Tomb Raider. Way more engaging than the majority of new games.
To you. Most of the classic TR games I found boring, even back then compared to what came out during the PS1 and PS2 era. Most new games are better than the Tomb Raider franchise, but we're getting off-topic.
 

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Are those Japanese players and game magazine editors experts? People of my home town would be happy to have the place used as a setting, regardless of detail, as long as the depiction isn't disrespectful.
So only experts can have valid opinions. Well, then. With what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

I'm sure the level of detail is unimpressive. Foreigners aren't gonna research adequately and don't already have the bed of knowledge on which to place that information. It's way harder for a foreigner. He'll get lazy and won't bother the Japanese Japan expert enough.
You're not an expert on Ghost of Tsushima. By your own admission, you've never even played it. Therefore, by your own stated standards, your opinions about it don't carry any weight. And since you're not Japanese, by your own standards you're not in a position to objectively know how accurate it is or isn't.

So what's even left in your post that actually means anything?
 
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Are those Japanese players and game magazine editors experts?
In regards to obscure historical facts ? Probably not.

In regards to what the Japanese as a whole recognize as inaccurate and what they see as offensive or not ? Absolutely.
 
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Or, conversely, the people who accused the guy who played the shakuhachi for the game's reveal trailer of cultural appropriation without realizing he's an accredited master of the instrument.

I don't think it was the flute playing but the outfit he wore that brought about that accusation. Whether it was cultural appropriation I can't be sure, but a white guy in traditional Japanese garb, with the hat and everything, is going to make people raise an eyebrow. If he was just wearing a suit I don't think there would've been much hubbub.
 

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TIL there's a person named "Cornelius Shinzen Boots" who's real and not a top hat wearing trickster character in a children's book that spirits kids away into a land of whimsical fantasy.
 

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So what's even left in your post that actually means anything?
Just the typical goal posting and selectively obliviousness.

I don't think it was the flute playing but the outfit he wore that brought about that accusation. Whether it was cultural appropriation I can't be sure, but a white guy in traditional Japanese garb, with the hat and everything, is going to make people raise an eyebrow. If he was just wearing a suit I don't think there would've been much hubbub.
I wasn't even offended nor raising an eyebrow when that happened. My reaction was "Cool, that happened", and I moved on.


 

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I don't think it was the flute playing but the outfit he wore that brought about that accusation. Whether it was cultural appropriation I can't be sure, but a white guy in traditional Japanese garb, with the hat and everything, is going to make people raise an eyebrow. If he was just wearing a suit I don't think there would've been much hubbub.
Maybe there would've been less, but I doubt there would've been none; the usual suspects would've been unhappy about a white guy playing a Japanese instrument instead of a Japanese person. But that's all speculation anyway.

OT: I haven't yet commented on Ghost of Yotei since the announcement, though I admit I haven't been following its development closely. Ghost of Tsushima was IIRC my first platinum trophy ever, though, so I'd be remiss to miss out on the sequel.
 
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