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searanox

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heart-plant post=9.71383.789805 said:
Yeah, I don't disagree with you there. Although I doubt there are many young girls who play games with enormous-bosumed women.
Even whores don't dress like that.
How cute :) I like to take advantage of the fact I'm female. It means you don't have to lift heavy things and put your back out, and if men buy you drinks it's a lot cheaper :)
So I'm taking advantage of stereotypes.
In that case, you're part of the problem. No offense, but I find it hard to respect someone who complains yet is knowingly taking advantage of the situation she's complaining about at the same time.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil post=9.71383.789776 said:
heart-plant post=9.71383.789759 said:
Will do :)

Although I have to say that my knowlegde of men with little to no ego is limited. So maybe there are some men out there who think they're unattractive.
Or maybe it's because most of my male friends are really attractive. What a shame.
There's a little something in that.
Most women are very shy about their appearance, but almost certainly receive compliments daily.
Most men are also as shy, but receive few, if any, compliments on their appearance, so they 'big themselves up'.
Man -> Woman : "You look nice"; W:"No I don't...my [body area] is too [small/large]"
Woman -> Man : "You look nice"; M: "I HAZ A NEW GIRLFRIEND!"

;) (liberties taken on both sides)
Yeah, I agree. Although it takes ten good compliments to negate a bad one. And with the amount of bitching women do, no wonder we're all a bit low on self-esteem.
 

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My quick, very verbose and long-winded quadruple-hay-penny.*

In a bow-flex commercial, you will only see well-toned, heavily exercised men and attractive, well-toned ladies in thin, revealing work-out clothes. In a job-opening-advertisement, you will only see happy, multi-cultural diverse workers doing their job in picturesque settings with determination, and the ability to solve all problems happily, hastily, and without failure or issue. In textbooks, you will find situations with enough information to adequately solve all of the problems, or discussions that are well-researched and thought out based on the subject it is speaking on.

In books, you will find flawed heroes and perfect villains. In movies, you'll find minority individuals being suppressed by majority figureheads, and in games, you'll see attractive women doing more while wearing less.

It's a stereotype, pure and simple. That's it, a shallow, silly, over-marketed and under-developed stereotype. Alas, here we are discussing it as if it really matters in the grand scheme of things. Let's look at life from an unbiased standpoint, that of the marketing crews.

Does Ivy or Taki's appearance affect a majority of the girl gamers at a strong enough point to stop them from buying the game. Answer majority, "No." Does marketing mostly-naked women on the cover of pre-teen, male-dominant (not male-centric, male-dominant) style game get buyers out of users who would previously be uninterested? Answer majority, "Yes."

You're getting mad at Game Devs for what Concept Artists and Marketing Execs decide. Instead, you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. Count a game on the gameplay's merit, then you can be happy with the game devs.

Now let's look at the numerous games that have simple, believable female characters as leads or majors. Star Wars: KotOR, Star Wars: KotOR II, Mass Effect, Perfect Dark, Perfect Dark: Zero, Orange Box's Portal, Metroid through Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Donkey Kong Country 2, Seiken Densetsu III, Resident Evil, Later Pokemon Games, Super Princess Peach, Xenosaga, Jade Empire, Command and Conquer series, American McGee's Alice.

Just to name a few. And I could probably name more if I hadn't restricted myself to best sellers [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games].

Frankly, the stereotype exists because it doesn't annoy girl gamers enough to upset the market by continuing to do so. And as long as that works, then the market will continue as-is. Don't fix what isn't broken, after all.

That's all from me, frankly, these kind of discussions irritate me. You're calling on an entire community being at fault for something that businesses do that are both functional and profiting. Now, if you'd to fault the entire human race for driving regularly, or smokers for pandering to the life-killing business that push their own products...

Honestly, what do discussions of this do aside from alienate your fellow gamers by claiming them at fault for the games they play. The bottom line is this: Gamers like game that are fun, whether or not the females are tepid, attractive, giggly, or stereotypical. Calling us out on our hobbies is not a good way to garner support, instead, it's a great way to alienate your peers.

*[sup]This is based on the first post, as I have not read anything else in this thread. If I repeat points, or discredit others, it's entirely accidental. That is all.[/sup]
 

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searanox post=9.71383.789809 said:
heart-plant post=9.71383.789805 said:
Yeah, I don't disagree with you there. Although I doubt there are many young girls who play games with enormous-bosumed women.
Even whores don't dress like that.
How cute :) I like to take advantage of the fact I'm female. It means you don't have to lift heavy things and put your back out, and if men buy you drinks it's a lot cheaper :)
So I'm taking advantage of stereotypes.
In that case, you're part of the problem. No offense, but I find it hard to respect someone who complains yet is knowingly taking advantage of the situation she's complaining about at the same time.
I didn't complain about it. My opinion was summed up with: meh, can't change it.
I feel that the situation probably isn't going to change until male children are taught absolute equality from birth. So I may as well take advantage of the situation at the moment.

I feel we've strayed off topic here. I don't see a problem with having huge breasts on a game character. I don't think the men that play the games expect to have girlfriends with enormous breasts.
 

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heart-plant post=9.71383.789852 said:
I didn't complain about it. My opinion was summed up with: meh, can't change it.
I feel that the situation probably isn't going to change until male children are taught absolute equality from birth. So I may as well take advantage of the situation at the moment.
You can tell the kids whatever you want but the media will still say this is what a perfect woman is. This can fuck with the head of young girls thinking they have to look like this and it fucks with the head of young boys thinking all girls should look like this.

This is sort of off topic, yeah, but its valid.
 

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Would you like it if men treated you as equal? If no-one ever went out of their way to carry a heavy suitcase for you or hold a door open for you? If you were expected to perform physically at the same level as a man? In martial art classes, guys are told to 'go easy' on women. My sister constantly exploits her boyfriends to buy stuff for her, and expects me to do everything from fixing her computer to getting her water at the dinner table (not that I do the latter, heh). TBH, there seems to me to be quite a bit that women take for granted behaviour-wise that they would sorely miss if they truly wanted to be treated the same as men treat each other - the whole chivalry thing, you know (however dead it seems nowadays...)?

I know it works both ways, and that there's still problems with discrimination in the work place, but a thread bemoaning the stereotyping of women when I'd imagine quite a few enjoy taking advantage of the perks of said stereotyping is just a tad annoying.

btw how many of these threads are around atm?
 

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Phoenix Arrow post=18.71383.789868 said:
You can tell the kids whatever you want but the media will still say this is what a perfect woman is. This can fuck with the head of young girls thinking they have to look like this and it fucks with the head of young boys thinking all girls should look like this.

This is sort of off topic, yeah, but its valid.
Not if we don't buy into it. But are you going to stop playing games in order to help equal rights? I would trust the parents of the children to tell them what a sensible body image is, and their friends to boost their self-esteem.

Simple resolutions: take away television, computers, make them walk around blindfolded in case they see adverts...
 

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heart-plant post=9.71383.790025 said:
Phoenix Arrow post=18.71383.789868 said:
You can tell the kids whatever you want but the media will still say this is what a perfect woman is. This can fuck with the head of young girls thinking they have to look like this and it fucks with the head of young boys thinking all girls should look like this.

This is sort of off topic, yeah, but its valid.
Not if we don't buy into it. But are you going to stop playing games in order to help equal rights? I would trust the parents of the children to tell them what a sensible body image is, and their friends to boost their self-esteem.

Simple resolutions: take away television, computers, make them walk around blindfolded in case they see adverts...
Don't take what I said out of context. I hate that.

Yes, the parents should be boosting their self-esteem but do they? So should friends but they go through the same things in the media that they're more concerned about how people see them than the other people themselves. This is why you get all the attractive people at a school in a group and all the less attractive people in other groups. I'm not saying you should blindfold kids and tell them their perfect, noone is, but this ideal body image shouldn't be as important in the media as it is. You get magazines like Heat and err... other ones which show these beautiful woman and say "look! She's put on a pound, what a lardarse". And these are being advertised to a younger and younger and therefore more impressionable demographic. And this is in all types of media, magazines, games, TV, film and even what were upmarket newpapers. This is what my problem is.
 

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I think that once again Rpg's can solve this damn problem. In rpg's you choose armor, so if you're forced to play as a supermodel you can have her put a sweater on. And usually RpG's let you choose what your characters look like. So if you have a problem with hot women there you go just put boobs on low. Also RPG's have choice so you can choose to be the damsel in distres, a bad ass enchantress, a killer assasin, or a Female Warrior who weres full armor and not metalic thongs.

If your asking where you can get a game like this go get Oblivion. Or wait till Fable 2. The gear does change in Oblivion but it'll turn your pants into a LONG skirt, i hope tht doesnt ofend you too much.
 

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M3707ik post=9.71383.790083 said:
I think that once again Rpg's can solve this damn problem. In rpg's you choose armor, so if you're forced to play as a supermodel you can have her put a sweater on. And usually RpG's let you choose what your characters look like. So if you have a problem with hot women there you go just put boobs on low. Also RPG's have choice so you can choose to be the damsel in distres, a bad ass enchantress, a killer assasin, or a Female Warrior who weres full armor and not metalic thongs.

If your asking where you can get a game like this go get Oblivion. Or wait till Fable 2. The gear does change in Oblivion but it'll turn your pants into a LONG skirt, i hope tht doesnt ofend you too much.
Point: Missed.
 

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Really, Im the kind of person who thinks we shouldnt debate, but fix a problem. So when i hear people are ofended by something i think that we should fix it by giving them an alternative. RPG= Alternative
Point= Acheived
 

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If you had to ask my opinion. Customization is the answer. If you give a gamer the option to make their own character and gave him/her control over his/her choices then noone would be able to be offended.
 

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And if you asked what i thought of the curent situation and not of the ideal then i'd say that women arent the target f game developers and it will take long past we are dead to change that.

Edit-Sorry for multi posts btw
 

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M3707ik post=9.71383.790110 said:
Really, Im the kind of person who thinks we shouldnt debate, but fix a problem. So when i hear people are ofended by something i think that we should fix it by giving them an alternative. RPG= Alternative
Point= Acheived
Sorry, I was being overly rude. Just the point isn't that I find these things offensive, Liberalism is a wonderful thing, but I don't think it's fair a lot of these games subject you to these models of a "perfect woman".
 

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Exacly and there is absolutly nothing we can do to change that. That task lies to our descendents. Not to be overly dramatic.
 

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M3707ik post=9.71383.790129 said:
Exacly and there is absolutly nothing we can do to change that. That task lies to our descendents. Not to be overly dramatic.
Mmm. I guess I don't agree with this statement. If you don't make the effort and take action, how can you expect someone else to.
 

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We cant change it because there a lot of girl gamers. Sure there are good professionals like Clan PMS. But there arent alot of recreational girl gamers. And a portion of girl gamers just get the wii, guitar hero, DDR and wii sports, and dont get anything more and none of those games have "Perfect Women" in them.
 

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Trust me i dont enjoy the fact that there arent alot of girl gamers. I'd love to go up to a girl and have a debate over game mechanics and have her contribute to the converstation.

Edit- That usually only happens if you know a girl who is a gamer. And if thats you praise how awesum ur life is. But if not then if you want an inteligent girl to talk to about video games you'd better log onto the escapist or another forum site.