Global Warming

[Zombie_Fish]

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And now to prove this thread has been done before:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.121921?page=1

 

[Low Key]

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Okay, so I'm wrong.

BUT despite everything you copied and pasted, if you multiply those 130-230 teragrams of CO2 by the billions of years this planet has existed, it far outweighs what humans have produced since the industrial revolution 150 years ago. And that doesn't included the dirt kicked up by meteors hitting the surface of the planet, or the ash from the numerous wild fires that naturally occur every year.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Anyone else think it's made up?

Yes.

*Sits back and waits for the ice age that was supposed to be here 30 years ago*

 

[andrat]

Global Warming
That's a good song. But on topic, I think it's bullshit. Our summer has been so on and off so far, it's messed. I know it effects people towards the equator more than us in the north, but still, I would expect that we get a bit of heat

 

[KSarty]

Global warming isn't BS.

We know Earth has cooler periods and warmer periods.

What is unknown at this time is what effect did us humans have to it.

Personally, I think we humans have accelerated it and using more wind- and solar energy instead of biofuels (man that was a bad idea), wood and fossil fuels would be a really good idea. Nuclear energy is necessary at the moment but perhaps in 40 to 50 years we could start to get rid of it as well.

Exactly. Global "Climate Change", as it is now called, is occuring. Whether or not humans have any real effect on those changes is as of yet unproven, and I am of the opinion that we do not.

 

[andrat]

Global Warming
That's a good song. But on topic, I think it's bullshit. Our summer has been so on and off so far, it's messed. I know it effects people towards the equator more than us in the north, but still, I would expect that we get a bit of heat

It's called "Global Warming" not "Andrat's Neighborhood Warming"

Yes. "Global". As in, I expect some heat up here. I know us Canadians have winter year round, but damn, is it too much to ask for SOME heat, if it's a problem?

 

[Chris H]

Unfortunately the more correct term for global warming is ?climate change? as in more extremes of weather, such as hurricanes, etc. It?s unlikely you would get a little more heat and more likely you would get a lot of destructive and non fun weather patterns.

Sorry mate, climate change isn?t going to bring about sunny days and fun for people in cold climes already, just more ways to mess up your day

Chris H

 

[Sisyphus0]

Climate change isn't up for debate, it is supported by the majority of data. While we aren't 'causing it' we are exacerbating the natural heating and cooling cycles. Denying climate change is basically admitting you have no place in a scientific world and could barely pass a high school science course.

 

[Chris H]

the earth was able to take care of itself, somehow the atmosphere survived over a couple billion years of volcanos and such but its still standing floating orbting like it always has

The earth will most likely always survive, of course its us human beings I'm worried about - we're a tad more fragile.

As for it surviving millions of years, aye - because the natural system found an equilibrium which was comparatively stable. Unfortunately now we come along, and were putting out a small amount each year that the system can?t balance out ? its not much but?


Its not being balanced out, so every years there?s just a bit more being added that?s out of balance, then a bit more. The amount we?re putting out compared to the total is not the most important number ? it?s the amount we put out on top of what the ecosystem can handle.

And that amount sticks around, that is what is believed to be causing the current heating cycle to be happening faster and more intensely that previous cycles

And that?s where the danger lies


Chris H

 

[Arkhangelsk]

Haven't cared enough since I don't believe in it. I think that we haven't solved the riddle yet. We've just thrown out hundreds of theories, with only one that's correct. Or maybe none of them at all, for that matter.

 

[Laura.]

All I know is that the weather in my country has become a lot more erratic and extreme in the last 5-10 years. Be it the fault of humans or not, it doesn't matter, we should still try to use less polluting technologies.

Also: there's some amazing sources of information being referenced in this thread, yes.
[sup](sarcasm)[/sup]

 

[Chris H]

Haven't cared enough since I don't believe in it. I think that we haven't solved the riddle yet. We've just thrown out hundreds of theories, with only one that's correct. Or maybe none of them at all, for that matter.

1) Theory: In science that word does not work the way you?re using it. The theory of X is something that has stood up to repeated testing and has shown an ability to model what is happening and usually can be used to make predictions on future data.

2) There will be many many elements causing anything, since the world is amazingly complex ? however the models being used for research into climate change try to take that into account and still a high 99 percent of climatologists think that the climate change difference from previous cooling/heating cycles is caused by man. They may be debating the details underneath that umbrella but the consensus is pretty clear.

Chris H

 

[Lonan]

CO2 does reflect both ways, but remember, the heat energy that stays in the system.. well.. stays in the system, and bounces back and forth while even more heat energy is added to our system. Increase the reflectiveness and while we get less initially, what stays inside stays inside for even longer

Antarctica is losing ice. It's gaining surface area, but losing mass.

Volcanic activity is a factor, but since it is beyond our control, it only makes our own actions more important. (Kind of like saying, "waves are already washing into our lifeboat, so what difference does it make if I dump more water in?")

That said, the natural suspects of global warming (solar variations, Milankovitch cycles, volcanic activity) have all been conspicuous in their absence over the last three decades during which warming has occurred. This is the big problem that those who argue against global warming have yet to explain. It isn't the sun. We have measurements of the sun's activity during which warming has occurred, and it's gone down. It isn't volcanic eruptions, there really hasn't been much volcanic activity to speak of. It isn't the natural cycle, as that suggests we should be cooling right now. While eliminating all of these doesn't necessarily mean that it's our CO2 production, it's currently the best fit theory for the empirical observations that have been obtained.

The earth will "survive" of course, but let's be honest, we don't care about the earth, we care about civilization. We care about what happens when disease and pests are able to spread from the tropical regions to the temperate regions. We care about what happens when the added heat makes the weather more extreme, making hurricanes more intense (though fewer in number), increasing the severity of floods and droughts, and increasing the areas that suffer from them. We care about what happens when our crops suffer the brunt of all of these and the price of basic foods start to jump.

And we care because the solutions are not catastrophic, and increasingly have been shown to be *better* for our economy. Consider that going green essentially means becoming more efficient. Using less and wasting less. Since when did that become a bad thing?

I would just like to say that humans emit 130 times more carbon dioxide than volcanoes, as is shown in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boj9ccV9htk&feature=channel
starting about one minute in. I can't believe that people are still talking about whether or not global warming is even HAPPENNING. All you have to to to be good at thinking is to think.

 

[Lonan]

Anyone else think it's made up?
I feel like Gore just wanted attention and so he told us our atmosphere is dissolving
turns out our own planet is doing more to damage the ozone: a volcano near Alaska is producing more carbon than the whole state of new york could put out in 50 years
and by the way polar bears aren't stupid or helpless
they CAN swim and don't wait til they're stuck on some tiny ass iceberg in the middle of the ocean
and one more thing
antarctic ice sheet is the largest it's ever been
so is this actually a problem?
I'm all for the environment and being green
but should we really be freaking out?

Might I ask what you think the reason is that Al Gore made up global warming? Why the UN creating an intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and why all the world leaders just met for a big climate change conference to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions? What would be the purpose of doing all this if it's not true? Do you really think that all the world leaders have been brainwashed by Al Gore into thinking that global warming is true, when in fact it's a fabrication?

 

[Obama Osama Llama Diorama]

My point is simply that the earth has been outputting carbon for thousands of years. I just can't believe that the miniscule amount humans put out (compared with nature) is really shifting our natural cycles. And leaders will meet about something if it means something to the people. Again, I completely agree with reducing emissions and helping the environment, but I refuse to believe the codswallop dumped out by Gore and The Day After Tomorrow.

 

[Zacharine]

snip

Okay, so I'm wrong.

BUT despite everything you copied and pasted, if you multiply those 130-230 teragrams of CO2 by the billions of years this planet has existed, it far outweighs what humans have produced since the industrial revolution 150 years ago. And that doesn't included the dirt kicked up by meteors hitting the surface of the planet, or the ash from the numerous wild fires that naturally occur every year.

The problem is, the climate change wasn't as radical millions of years ago.... The change is happening now

 

[Low Key]

snip

Okay, so I'm wrong.

BUT despite everything you copied and pasted, if you multiply those 130-230 teragrams of CO2 by the billions of years this planet has existed, it far outweighs what humans have produced since the industrial revolution 150 years ago. And that doesn't included the dirt kicked up by meteors hitting the surface of the planet, or the ash from the numerous wild fires that naturally occur every year.

The problem is, the climate change wasn't as radical millions of years ago.... The change is happening now

The weather is always changing:

Spoiler

The earth will stick around long after we nuke ourselves into oblivion.

 

[Emperorpeng]

Global warming,global cooling,whatever. It's still good reason for people to get moving and invent eco-friendly technologies.

This. Sometimes all it takes is a swift kick in the pants to get people to start acting reasonable.

 

[Zacharine]

The weather is always changing:

weather =/= climate. But yes, it is changing. The problem is, have we magnified, affected or somehow disrupted this change with our massive use of fossil fuels, reckless abandon with which we pollute the atmosphere with a variety of gases etc.

The earth will stick around long after we nuke ourselves into oblivion.

Let's be honest here. We don't give a buffalo's arse about if rats, cockroaches and bacteria can survive. We care about civilization, we care about our cities, we care about our families and friends, we are worried of climate change because of how it will affect our lives.

 

[JWAN]

Not real. In fact I burned a DVD of An Inconvenient Lie Truth. Just to piss off some hippies, but unfortunately they don't know. In fact most competent scientists say we are in a global cooling phase.

P.S. And by burned I mean set on fire.

lol ^

that is what I like to hear