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[Dragonbums]

They can be "groups", sure... I don't know why that's your focus though. Fighting the law and trying to affect opinion of your group aren't the same thing, and so maybe don't require the same tactics.

How people view a specific group of people directly affects what kind of laws regarding them is put in place. If people didn't think Blacks and minorities were second class citizens in the United States 200 years ago we wouldn't of had stuff like Jim Crow laws existing. The only reason why those laws went away was because the public perception of said people changed and a such the laws were removed.

Likewise if people didn't think LGBT+ people were subhuman than the laws in Russia that Putin put in place that made it illegal to so much as say gay without getting beaten to death or put in prison wouldn't exist either.

The burka example is strange. Have you considered that people just aren't convinced by the sentiments?

The only people I find who are not convinced of such things are those who are completely ignorant to the Islamic culture, or those who fucking hate it in the first place and have no interest in learning more about it outside of other propaganda outlets that spew more hate and misinformation about it to further their own agenda.

You don't have to look hard to find examples of very bad things happening to women who don't comply in this regard.

Of course you can. Some of the countries are run by extremists. The large majority of the religion is not comprised of those kinds of people. Isn't it kind of silly to define an entire culture on the actions of a couple of loon thugs?

I don't think it's a case of people not listening, just not buying what is being sold. If they expressed the same sentiments with more vitriol it'd only make things worse anyway. Which is my point...

Trying to educate people on the fact that Islam is not the religion incarnate of women hating (especially when other religions like Christianity weren't even better than that) is not "buying what is being sold" it's trying to wipe away misinformation. Of course people of Islam are going to get upset when the larger ignorant masses continue to take their important religious garments and label them as oppressive, abusive, misogynistic, and other hateful things out of ignorance.

Are you losing sight of the fact that it's just a niche website? You preach to the choir, you get trolled by those who think you're ridiculous, and the rest of the population is completely oblivious to your message. It's not a great form of activism.

I don't care if I'm being "trolled" by people who never even went on the site. As long as one more person is made aware of issues that affect minorities and those who don't have a voice then tumblr is doing it's job.

 

[Dragonbums]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

 

[Dragonbums]

You ostricize people when you try to get a point across with anger. If you can't understand that I can't make you understand it but don't go looking for more supporters when you already stood on a soapbox with attitude and pointed your finger at everyone. Its ok to be frustrated at a perceived lack of action towards a problem you are passionate about but instead of venting that frustration maybe just explain it. Ultimately if your problems are not my problems all your rudeness will achieve is me just not caring.

Yet were you listening when they asked nicely? For the longest fucking time now Native Americans have asked nicely for Washington to rename their football team to something else other than Redskins. Which is a derogatory racial slur. Now look at where it is. An American fucking staple of football culture. Being nice didn't help them an iota because it's easier to ignore and dismiss nice people than it is to ignore someone who is visibly upset.

For example I am 100% for gay rights. I am 100% for all people having equal rights under the law. If someone who is gay or is passionate about the issue gets in my face and starts insulting me I will instantly not give a rats ass about that persons trials and tribulations.

Nobody on tumblr goes to your blog and shouts things at you. They make a post about it, and a couple thousand people reblog and/or like if they agree. You are free to ignore those posts and go about your day. Which is what most of the people on here do seeing as how they think the moment they step into tumblr this kind of stuff is going to hit them in the face.

If it ever felt like that was happening with nearly every gay person I saw (which seems to a common thing in the SJW crowd) it would instantly kill my interest. It won't change my views on equality but I would rather just not deal with shitty people. So go ahead and be angry or try to make excuses for those who are. Just don't wonder where all the support is afterwards.

People don't act angry "just because" it's something that has built up over time and they unleash it. If it's on the web then fine. You are under no obligation to actually read what they post. It's a BLOG afterall.

 

[Dragonbums]

Yeah, nice of you to jumpt to assumptions right away, because im totally doing that all the time.

Please quote me on where I stated that you specifically beat people who are different from you. I believe I was addressing the fact that you called tumblr a "hateful" community.

And again just assuming things with no context. I didnt mention with one word that I was actively seeking out stuff like that. It was normal content, artwork, funny gifs, Blogs about gaming. But hey, why go trough the trouble of thinking for 2 minutes if you can just jump to wrong conclusions that support your point, amirite?

You stated that you followed a bunch of blogs that actively got into SJW arguments and slap fights on a near constant basis. You could've just unfollowed them but you didn't. Prior to following you should of also of known what kinds of things they often do on their blog. If half of it is funny gifs and the other half is SJW extremists arguing, then you don't click the "follow" button.

See points above. Everyone hates gays and trans and I was obviously only following Nazi-Blogs about the prosecution of transgenders. Absolutely. And I was also posting about how much I like beating up people for being gay.

Please quote where I stated that you personally hated gay and trans people, and you liked beating people who are gay. I would really like you to find those words I posted.

Because Tumblr is either the loudest, or the biggest contester in the field. Maybe both. At least thats what I believe after getting the experience first hand.

Really? and yet I had another user on here saying that nobody gives a fuck or knows much of anything about tumblr other than the the few screencaps of zealots that make it out of here. There is literally a stereotype for every website and for the most part none of them are as true as outsiders make it out to be.

Then maybe you got lucky, or I got horribly unlucky. Or one of us is being horribly ignorant. From what i've read from you above, im gonna go out and say its you. But im appearantly a horribly trans/homophobic sh*tlord that follows evil prosecution-Blogs, so what do I know?

You continuously state that I called you a transphobic/gay hater/ etc. etc. and yet I can find no such proof in any of my comments. For one if I had actually said those things I'm pretty sure I would've gotten a warning by now seeing as how that's insulting other users. But from what I garner you are basically making all of these insults up.

In all seriousness, the above is pretty much a prime example for what I mean. Anyone that disagrees gets that treatment. So im gonna call it quits right here and wont waste any time arguing this stuff.

Not really. Half of your rebuttal was basically claiming I accused you of being and saying things that I never actually said.

The only thing I accused you of is watching blogs that continuously clog up your dashboard with SJW slapfights. Nowhere did I assume that said blogs were on one or the other sides. You just made that up yourself.

 

[Fsyco]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

 

[Dragonbums]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

There are PLENTY of rallies happening right now. Gay pride parades and all sorts of other stuff are still a constant here. We don't see it as much because gay people aren't being beaten to the ground nearly enough to warrant that. That doesn't mean we can't stop raising awareness. If one chooses to simply stay ignorant and closeminded on the matter than no amount of rallying, awareness speaking or yelling is going to change that.

 

[Fsyco]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

There are PLENTY of rallies happening right now. Gay pride parades and all sorts of other stuff are still a constant here. We don't see it as much because gay people aren't being beaten to the ground nearly enough to warrant that. That doesn't mean we can't stop raising awareness. If one chooses to simply stay ignorant and closeminded on the matter than no amount of rallying, awareness speaking or yelling is going to change that.

Does raising 'awareness' actually work? That doesn't seem like it works. I remember back when people wanted to raise awareness about that Kony guy, and that didn't seem to actually fix any problems.

I saw a documentary once about the genocide in Darfur where they were interviewing some guy who started a charity organization of some sort, and he said that he had been raising awareness about the issue under the pretense that once the awareness hit a certain level, genocide experts would step in and take over and sort the problem out. Then he realized such people don't exist, and that if you want to make an actual change, you can't just tell everyone about the problem, you have to form a plan to deal with it. You want to stop people oppressing gays? Great! Now how do you plan on doing that?

 

[Robert Marrs]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

There are PLENTY of rallies happening right now. Gay pride parades and all sorts of other stuff are still a constant here. We don't see it as much because gay people aren't being beaten to the ground nearly enough to warrant that. That doesn't mean we can't stop raising awareness. If one chooses to simply stay ignorant and closeminded on the matter than no amount of rallying, awareness speaking or yelling is going to change that.

Does raising 'awareness' actually work? That doesn't seem like it works. I remember back when people wanted to raise awareness about that Kony guy, and that didn't seem to actually fix any problems.

I saw a documentary once about the genocide in Darfur where they were interviewing some guy who started a charity organization of some sort, and he said that he had been raising awareness about the issue under the pretense that once the awareness hit a certain level, genocide experts would step in and take over and sort the problem out. Then he realized such people don't exist, and that if you want to make an actual change, you can't just tell everyone about the problem, you have to form a plan to deal with it. You want to stop people oppressing gays? Great! Now how do you plan on doing that?

Raising awareness is just another form of doing nothing. You are not actually helping a problem you are just pointing at the problem and yelling "LOOK AT IT!". God forbid people actually try to solve a problem. They just want everyone else to know about a problem so those other people can fix it. Its the same as me getting a flat tire in the street and then holding up a sign saying I have a broken tire in hopes someone will stop and fix it for me. Then you have the people that actually ask for money to raise awareness. It lets people do absolutely nothing about a problem then turn around and feel like they did something good. That is most of those people in a nutshell and they don't even realize it. Their motives are usually either emotional or monetary but its ultimately about making THEMSELVES feel better.

 

[KisaiTenshi]

Raising awareness is just another form of doing nothing. You are not actually helping a problem you are just pointing at the problem and yelling "LOOK AT IT!". God forbid people actually try to solve a problem.

This is tumblr in a nutshell if you only follow SJW people. I limit myself to a maximum of two pro-SJW's on Tumblr and two on Twitter. Any more than that and it will be one constant stream of retweets/reblogs about something that I can't change and probably already knew.

What predated tumblr was livejournal. Livejournal worked exactly the same way except that it did not have the reblog feature, and lacked a search box unless you paid for an account. So the drama generation usually started in the community journals (which was basically the same as reblogged post, except anything posted to it would show up in everyone who friended the community journal.) All it took was a few SJW posts to send the community journal off a cliff, and then people would leave.

Tumblr can do more good than evil, but only if people step away from reblogging every single bleeding heart cause, and put solutions in the posts themselves. How many people/pets need emergency medical care every day? If you know the person personally, donate and reblog it. Reblogging while doing nothing yourself just perpetuates the slacktivism. This is why someone can get emergency medical care from a tumblr/twitter post, because they've generally not drained their followers attention span with other causes that you're not involved with.

The stuff on Tumblr that I don't like tends to fall in to the category of "correcting diversity." Nobody needs their own special label. Affixing labels on people who don't want them just causes divisions. Nobody needs to self-label themselves with a label they do not like.

 

[Kermi]

Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism, am I right?

Badum tss!

Do you honestly think tumblr stops at "don't be racist"?

Did you know that eating sushi, or in fact using the word sushi is appropriating Japanese culture, and that makes you a racist shitlord? Haven't we done enough to the Japanese, that you need to eat their food too? If you've ever visited Japan, you are a cultural rapist and actually deserve to die. The same applies to wearing cultural clothing, such as a sari. There are people on tumblr who will literally tell you to kill yourself for less. I've seen an Indian girl harassed because she actually had the audacity to say that she likes that other people might want to appreciate her culture by wearing a sari, and respects them for taking an interest. She was threatened Of course these people are just as guilty as you are, but their love of sushi or saris whatever is different because reasons.

These people are actively trying to halt cultural spread and growth by claiming appropriation. In fact, the only culture it's ok to appropriate is American/British culture, because it's impossible to oppress white people. In a manner of speaking, they're saying white people culture should persist and appreciation of any other culture should be suppressed. How is that not racist? Because they say it's out of respect? That would be like locking women up so they can't be sexually harassed, and calling it feminism.

I won't even get into how 90% of tumblr is just people trying too hard to be the most special person on the planet. Being gay is actually privilege compared to being a misunderstood trans genderfluid demisexual DHAB femme POC otherkin dragonspirit triggered by consensual romance with 3 headmates that look like the cast of a D&D game run by 12 year olds.

 

[McMullen]

Well, white, straight males do tend to be supremely ignorant!

How do you not see that you are judging people based on skin color here? Sure, we might not know what it's like to be black, but a white heterosexual will have have no poorer an understanding of LGBT issues than a black heterosexual.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Well, white, straight males do tend to be supremely ignorant!

How do you not see that you are judging people based on skin color here? Sure, we might not know what it's like to be black, but a white heterosexual will have have no poorer an understanding of LGBT issues than a black heterosexual.

Of gender, sexual identity, and racial issues. Like white, straight and male is like the "top", so to speak. And most people at the top don't bother with those that are below. (In America and most of Europe, I mean, obviously in China, Japan, parts of Africa and South America this isn't the case.)

 

[McMullen]

Well, white, straight males do tend to be supremely ignorant!

How do you not see that you are judging people based on skin color here? Sure, we might not know what it's like to be black, but a white heterosexual will have have no poorer an understanding of LGBT issues than a black heterosexual.

Of gender, sexual identity, and racial issues. Like white, straight and male is like the "top", so to speak. And most people at the top don't bother with those that are below. (In America and most of Europe, I mean, obviously in China, Japan, parts of Africa and South America this isn't the case.)

I don't see how that's related. It's no less racist to generalize white people than to generalize blacks. It's no less sexist to generalize men than women. It's no less bigoted to generalize heterosexuals than homosexuals. You can't say you're against discrimination while discriminating.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I don't see how that's related. It's no less racist to generalize white people than to generalize blacks. It's no less sexist to generalize men than women. It's no less bigoted to generalize heterosexuals than homosexuals. You can't say you're against discrimination while discriminating.

You clearly don't understand how the instution of sexism, racism, and homophobia works. Because as long as being a white straight male is considered "default", a gay man will intrinsically understand a straight man more than a straight man will a gay man. I mean for god's sake, a gay man has to "come out"... they're considered straight all their life until such a point that they realize otherwise. So yes, it is different. Completely different.

 

[McMullen]

I don't see how that's related. It's no less racist to generalize white people than to generalize blacks. It's no less sexist to generalize men than women. It's no less bigoted to generalize heterosexuals than homosexuals. You can't say you're against discrimination while discriminating.

You clearly don't understand how the instution of sexism, racism, and homophobia works. Because as long as being a white straight male is considered "default", a gay man will intrinsically understand a straight man more than a straight man will a gay man. I mean for god's sake, a gay man has to "come out"... they're considered straight all their life until such a point that they realize otherwise. So yes, it is different. Completely different.

You don't know what I do and don't understand about "default" demographics because I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about how it is racist to say that Whites tend to be ignorant; you are making a claim about mental attributes based on completely unrelated physical attributes.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

You don't know what I do and don't understand about "default" demographics because I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about how it is racist to say that Whites tend to be ignorant; you are making a claim about mental attributes based on completely unrelated physical attributes.

I am making a claim about society and how things tend to be skewered. This isn't about mental processes, it's about ignorance through lack of education, lack of knowledge. Most white people are just outright not taught about stuff that doesn't effect them; racism is very much something that is still taught through experience. An experience that, of course, barely ever brushes up against white people in a white-dominant society. If you want to dispute that then I mean, go ahead. If you want to say that straight people will experience homophobia then go ahead.

I'm not saying it's because of a lack of empathy. It's just unfortunately true that to understand what it's like to have the prejudice of an entire society on your shoulders, you have to live it. Would any man be able to tolerate a day in a woman's life? Because I very much doubt it.

 

[Czann]

It was a good site for many things but the SJW types are insufferable and make the experience a pain. They are always right and only them, no one else can be right.

I have never been to tumblr... I'm getting a distinct impression that it is not a place I want to wander.

Incidentally, did you draw your icon? It's awesome!

It has many good things but the weird people makes it sounds weird. You can always ignore them.

The avatar? I wish! I found it in an avatar gallery somewhere in the web. I can't remember now.

 

[skuutch]

White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

You're not suggesting I'm prone to ignorance because of the color of my skin or my sexual preference, are you? Because that's prejudicial as hell.

Here's the thing - being white and male means you aren't exposed to racism, sexism, or homophobia the way someone who isn't white, straight, and male would be. I, being white, straight, and female, can only speak to sexism personally, and tend to be ignorant regarding issues of race and sexual orientation due to never having had those parts of my identity discriminated against. That's all that means. The people who's identity are considered on the margins (by ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, ability, etc.) have experiences that will mean they are more often forced to consider how their identity changes how they are treated, often for the worse. Fact of the matter is, as an example, a bisexual Asian guy (or whatever other combination of identity markers) is going to run into problems that a straight white man never would even have to consider. It's not a knock against the inherent nature of straight white men, so much as the way society is set up such that they don't have to think about identity politics as much as other groups.

 

[skuutch]

Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism, am I right?

Badum tss!

Do you honestly think tumblr stops at "don't be racist"?

Did you know that eating sushi, or in fact using the word sushi is appropriating Japanese culture, and that makes you a racist shitlord? Haven't we done enough to the Japanese, that you need to eat their food too? If you've ever visited Japan, you are a cultural rapist and actually deserve to die. The same applies to wearing cultural clothing, such as a sari. There are people on tumblr who will literally tell you to kill yourself for less. I've seen an Indian girl harassed because she actually had the audacity to say that she likes that other people might want to appreciate her culture by wearing a sari, and respects them for taking an interest. She was threatened Of course these people are just as guilty as you are, but their love of sushi or saris whatever is different because reasons.

These people are actively trying to halt cultural spread and growth by claiming appropriation. In fact, the only culture it's ok to appropriate is American/British culture, because it's impossible to oppress white people. In a manner of speaking, they're saying white people culture should persist and appreciation of any other culture should be suppressed. How is that not racist? Because they say it's out of respect? That would be like locking women up so they can't be sexually harassed, and calling it feminism.

I won't even get into how 90% of tumblr is just people trying too hard to be the most special person on the planet. Being gay is actually privilege compared to being a misunderstood trans genderfluid demisexual DHAB femme POC otherkin dragonspirit triggered by consensual romance with 3 headmates that look like the cast of a D&D game run by 12 year olds.

Strrrrrrawman!

I'd love to see an example of... really, any example of the discourse you mentioned.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

You're not suggesting I'm prone to ignorance because of the color of my skin or my sexual preference, are you? Because that's prejudicial as hell.

Here's the thing - being white and male means you aren't exposed to racism, sexism, or homophobia the way someone who isn't white, straight, and male would be.

Suppose you're white and living in Argentina.