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[Fsyco]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

 

[Dragonbums]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

There are PLENTY of rallies happening right now. Gay pride parades and all sorts of other stuff are still a constant here. We don't see it as much because gay people aren't being beaten to the ground nearly enough to warrant that. That doesn't mean we can't stop raising awareness. If one chooses to simply stay ignorant and closeminded on the matter than no amount of rallying, awareness speaking or yelling is going to change that.

 

[Fsyco]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

There are PLENTY of rallies happening right now. Gay pride parades and all sorts of other stuff are still a constant here. We don't see it as much because gay people aren't being beaten to the ground nearly enough to warrant that. That doesn't mean we can't stop raising awareness. If one chooses to simply stay ignorant and closeminded on the matter than no amount of rallying, awareness speaking or yelling is going to change that.

Does raising 'awareness' actually work? That doesn't seem like it works. I remember back when people wanted to raise awareness about that Kony guy, and that didn't seem to actually fix any problems.

I saw a documentary once about the genocide in Darfur where they were interviewing some guy who started a charity organization of some sort, and he said that he had been raising awareness about the issue under the pretense that once the awareness hit a certain level, genocide experts would step in and take over and sort the problem out. Then he realized such people don't exist, and that if you want to make an actual change, you can't just tell everyone about the problem, you have to form a plan to deal with it. You want to stop people oppressing gays? Great! Now how do you plan on doing that?

 

[Robert Marrs]

Well I hate to point this out, but things aren't quite as bad as they used to be back during the various protests of the 50s and 60s. Massive protests are really only effective if you have some kind of specific, easily defined goal (end segregation, gay marriage, not treating women like dogs) with a big target (Jim Crow laws and DOMA). Things have noticeably improved, and protesting about it now appears to be getting diminishing returns. Which is understandable, since these actual issues are alot more complicated than people think. It's not like equal rights for all is being locked up in a cupboard somewhere in DC, and they just don't want to let you have it.

You say that and yet Russia implemented laws that made it illegal to even say the word gay, it's still acceptable to beat homosexuals to death in many countries around the world, and a transsexual person can face getting beat to the ground for no other reason than being transsexual.

I was referring to Americans. Since, yaknow, we live in America. Not sure how much good holding signs and marching will do to stop some other country's actions. For that matter, how exactly do angry internet posts fix any of these problems either? Sit-downs, rallies, and marches actually have some physical meaning and impact. How does ranting on the Internet actually contribute to a solution to the plight of anyone?

There are PLENTY of rallies happening right now. Gay pride parades and all sorts of other stuff are still a constant here. We don't see it as much because gay people aren't being beaten to the ground nearly enough to warrant that. That doesn't mean we can't stop raising awareness. If one chooses to simply stay ignorant and closeminded on the matter than no amount of rallying, awareness speaking or yelling is going to change that.

Does raising 'awareness' actually work? That doesn't seem like it works. I remember back when people wanted to raise awareness about that Kony guy, and that didn't seem to actually fix any problems.

I saw a documentary once about the genocide in Darfur where they were interviewing some guy who started a charity organization of some sort, and he said that he had been raising awareness about the issue under the pretense that once the awareness hit a certain level, genocide experts would step in and take over and sort the problem out. Then he realized such people don't exist, and that if you want to make an actual change, you can't just tell everyone about the problem, you have to form a plan to deal with it. You want to stop people oppressing gays? Great! Now how do you plan on doing that?

Raising awareness is just another form of doing nothing. You are not actually helping a problem you are just pointing at the problem and yelling "LOOK AT IT!". God forbid people actually try to solve a problem. They just want everyone else to know about a problem so those other people can fix it. Its the same as me getting a flat tire in the street and then holding up a sign saying I have a broken tire in hopes someone will stop and fix it for me. Then you have the people that actually ask for money to raise awareness. It lets people do absolutely nothing about a problem then turn around and feel like they did something good. That is most of those people in a nutshell and they don't even realize it. Their motives are usually either emotional or monetary but its ultimately about making THEMSELVES feel better.

 

[KisaiTenshi]

Raising awareness is just another form of doing nothing. You are not actually helping a problem you are just pointing at the problem and yelling "LOOK AT IT!". God forbid people actually try to solve a problem.

This is tumblr in a nutshell if you only follow SJW people. I limit myself to a maximum of two pro-SJW's on Tumblr and two on Twitter. Any more than that and it will be one constant stream of retweets/reblogs about something that I can't change and probably already knew.

What predated tumblr was livejournal. Livejournal worked exactly the same way except that it did not have the reblog feature, and lacked a search box unless you paid for an account. So the drama generation usually started in the community journals (which was basically the same as reblogged post, except anything posted to it would show up in everyone who friended the community journal.) All it took was a few SJW posts to send the community journal off a cliff, and then people would leave.

Tumblr can do more good than evil, but only if people step away from reblogging every single bleeding heart cause, and put solutions in the posts themselves. How many people/pets need emergency medical care every day? If you know the person personally, donate and reblog it. Reblogging while doing nothing yourself just perpetuates the slacktivism. This is why someone can get emergency medical care from a tumblr/twitter post, because they've generally not drained their followers attention span with other causes that you're not involved with.

The stuff on Tumblr that I don't like tends to fall in to the category of "correcting diversity." Nobody needs their own special label. Affixing labels on people who don't want them just causes divisions. Nobody needs to self-label themselves with a label they do not like.

 

[Kermi]

Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism, am I right?

Badum tss!

Do you honestly think tumblr stops at "don't be racist"?

Did you know that eating sushi, or in fact using the word sushi is appropriating Japanese culture, and that makes you a racist shitlord? Haven't we done enough to the Japanese, that you need to eat their food too? If you've ever visited Japan, you are a cultural rapist and actually deserve to die. The same applies to wearing cultural clothing, such as a sari. There are people on tumblr who will literally tell you to kill yourself for less. I've seen an Indian girl harassed because she actually had the audacity to say that she likes that other people might want to appreciate her culture by wearing a sari, and respects them for taking an interest. She was threatened Of course these people are just as guilty as you are, but their love of sushi or saris whatever is different because reasons.

These people are actively trying to halt cultural spread and growth by claiming appropriation. In fact, the only culture it's ok to appropriate is American/British culture, because it's impossible to oppress white people. In a manner of speaking, they're saying white people culture should persist and appreciation of any other culture should be suppressed. How is that not racist? Because they say it's out of respect? That would be like locking women up so they can't be sexually harassed, and calling it feminism.

I won't even get into how 90% of tumblr is just people trying too hard to be the most special person on the planet. Being gay is actually privilege compared to being a misunderstood trans genderfluid demisexual DHAB femme POC otherkin dragonspirit triggered by consensual romance with 3 headmates that look like the cast of a D&D game run by 12 year olds.

 

[McMullen]

Well, white, straight males do tend to be supremely ignorant!

How do you not see that you are judging people based on skin color here? Sure, we might not know what it's like to be black, but a white heterosexual will have have no poorer an understanding of LGBT issues than a black heterosexual.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

Well, white, straight males do tend to be supremely ignorant!

How do you not see that you are judging people based on skin color here? Sure, we might not know what it's like to be black, but a white heterosexual will have have no poorer an understanding of LGBT issues than a black heterosexual.

Of gender, sexual identity, and racial issues. Like white, straight and male is like the "top", so to speak. And most people at the top don't bother with those that are below. (In America and most of Europe, I mean, obviously in China, Japan, parts of Africa and South America this isn't the case.)

 

[McMullen]

Well, white, straight males do tend to be supremely ignorant!

How do you not see that you are judging people based on skin color here? Sure, we might not know what it's like to be black, but a white heterosexual will have have no poorer an understanding of LGBT issues than a black heterosexual.

Of gender, sexual identity, and racial issues. Like white, straight and male is like the "top", so to speak. And most people at the top don't bother with those that are below. (In America and most of Europe, I mean, obviously in China, Japan, parts of Africa and South America this isn't the case.)

I don't see how that's related. It's no less racist to generalize white people than to generalize blacks. It's no less sexist to generalize men than women. It's no less bigoted to generalize heterosexuals than homosexuals. You can't say you're against discrimination while discriminating.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I don't see how that's related. It's no less racist to generalize white people than to generalize blacks. It's no less sexist to generalize men than women. It's no less bigoted to generalize heterosexuals than homosexuals. You can't say you're against discrimination while discriminating.

You clearly don't understand how the instution of sexism, racism, and homophobia works. Because as long as being a white straight male is considered "default", a gay man will intrinsically understand a straight man more than a straight man will a gay man. I mean for god's sake, a gay man has to "come out"... they're considered straight all their life until such a point that they realize otherwise. So yes, it is different. Completely different.

 

[McMullen]

I don't see how that's related. It's no less racist to generalize white people than to generalize blacks. It's no less sexist to generalize men than women. It's no less bigoted to generalize heterosexuals than homosexuals. You can't say you're against discrimination while discriminating.

You clearly don't understand how the instution of sexism, racism, and homophobia works. Because as long as being a white straight male is considered "default", a gay man will intrinsically understand a straight man more than a straight man will a gay man. I mean for god's sake, a gay man has to "come out"... they're considered straight all their life until such a point that they realize otherwise. So yes, it is different. Completely different.

You don't know what I do and don't understand about "default" demographics because I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about how it is racist to say that Whites tend to be ignorant; you are making a claim about mental attributes based on completely unrelated physical attributes.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

You don't know what I do and don't understand about "default" demographics because I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about how it is racist to say that Whites tend to be ignorant; you are making a claim about mental attributes based on completely unrelated physical attributes.

I am making a claim about society and how things tend to be skewered. This isn't about mental processes, it's about ignorance through lack of education, lack of knowledge. Most white people are just outright not taught about stuff that doesn't effect them; racism is very much something that is still taught through experience. An experience that, of course, barely ever brushes up against white people in a white-dominant society. If you want to dispute that then I mean, go ahead. If you want to say that straight people will experience homophobia then go ahead.

I'm not saying it's because of a lack of empathy. It's just unfortunately true that to understand what it's like to have the prejudice of an entire society on your shoulders, you have to live it. Would any man be able to tolerate a day in a woman's life? Because I very much doubt it.

 

[Czann]

It was a good site for many things but the SJW types are insufferable and make the experience a pain. They are always right and only them, no one else can be right.

I have never been to tumblr... I'm getting a distinct impression that it is not a place I want to wander.

Incidentally, did you draw your icon? It's awesome!

It has many good things but the weird people makes it sounds weird. You can always ignore them.

The avatar? I wish! I found it in an avatar gallery somewhere in the web. I can't remember now.

 

[skuutch]

White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

You're not suggesting I'm prone to ignorance because of the color of my skin or my sexual preference, are you? Because that's prejudicial as hell.

Here's the thing - being white and male means you aren't exposed to racism, sexism, or homophobia the way someone who isn't white, straight, and male would be. I, being white, straight, and female, can only speak to sexism personally, and tend to be ignorant regarding issues of race and sexual orientation due to never having had those parts of my identity discriminated against. That's all that means. The people who's identity are considered on the margins (by ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, ability, etc.) have experiences that will mean they are more often forced to consider how their identity changes how they are treated, often for the worse. Fact of the matter is, as an example, a bisexual Asian guy (or whatever other combination of identity markers) is going to run into problems that a straight white man never would even have to consider. It's not a knock against the inherent nature of straight white men, so much as the way society is set up such that they don't have to think about identity politics as much as other groups.

 

[skuutch]

Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism, am I right?

Badum tss!

Do you honestly think tumblr stops at "don't be racist"?

Did you know that eating sushi, or in fact using the word sushi is appropriating Japanese culture, and that makes you a racist shitlord? Haven't we done enough to the Japanese, that you need to eat their food too? If you've ever visited Japan, you are a cultural rapist and actually deserve to die. The same applies to wearing cultural clothing, such as a sari. There are people on tumblr who will literally tell you to kill yourself for less. I've seen an Indian girl harassed because she actually had the audacity to say that she likes that other people might want to appreciate her culture by wearing a sari, and respects them for taking an interest. She was threatened Of course these people are just as guilty as you are, but their love of sushi or saris whatever is different because reasons.

These people are actively trying to halt cultural spread and growth by claiming appropriation. In fact, the only culture it's ok to appropriate is American/British culture, because it's impossible to oppress white people. In a manner of speaking, they're saying white people culture should persist and appreciation of any other culture should be suppressed. How is that not racist? Because they say it's out of respect? That would be like locking women up so they can't be sexually harassed, and calling it feminism.

I won't even get into how 90% of tumblr is just people trying too hard to be the most special person on the planet. Being gay is actually privilege compared to being a misunderstood trans genderfluid demisexual DHAB femme POC otherkin dragonspirit triggered by consensual romance with 3 headmates that look like the cast of a D&D game run by 12 year olds.

Strrrrrrawman!

I'd love to see an example of... really, any example of the discourse you mentioned.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

You're not suggesting I'm prone to ignorance because of the color of my skin or my sexual preference, are you? Because that's prejudicial as hell.

Here's the thing - being white and male means you aren't exposed to racism, sexism, or homophobia the way someone who isn't white, straight, and male would be.

Suppose you're white and living in Argentina.

 

[Bombiz]

White, straight males tend to be supremely ignorant.

You're not suggesting I'm prone to ignorance because of the color of my skin or my sexual preference, are you? Because that's prejudicial as hell.

Here's the thing - being white and male means you aren't exposed to racism, sexism, or homophobia the way someone who isn't white, straight, and male would be. I, being white, straight, and female, can only speak to sexism personally, and tend to be ignorant regarding issues of race and sexual orientation due to never having had those parts of my identity discriminated against. That's all that means. The people who's identity are considered on the margins (by ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, ability, etc.) have experiences that will mean they are more often forced to consider how their identity changes how they are treated, often for the worse. Fact of the matter is, as an example, a bisexual Asian guy (or whatever other combination of identity markers) is going to run into problems that a straight white man never would even have to consider. It's not a knock against the inherent nature of straight white men, so much as the way society is set up such that they don't have to think about identity politics as much as other groups.

what i don't get is how come i'm Iranian but i'm not as exposed to racism. In fact the only place i really see it is on the internet or on T.V/The News.
idk. maybe it's because I live in Canada.

 

[Kermi]

Oh I get it, because telling people not to tell racist or wear culture appropriating costumes or be bigots is truly equivalent to white nationalism and racism against people of color, right?

We can make that kind of witty observation now that we're post racism, am I right?

Badum tss!

Do you honestly think tumblr stops at "don't be racist"?

Did you know that eating sushi, or in fact using the word sushi is appropriating Japanese culture, and that makes you a racist shitlord? Haven't we done enough to the Japanese, that you need to eat their food too? If you've ever visited Japan, you are a cultural rapist and actually deserve to die. The same applies to wearing cultural clothing, such as a sari. There are people on tumblr who will literally tell you to kill yourself for less. I've seen an Indian girl harassed because she actually had the audacity to say that she likes that other people might want to appreciate her culture by wearing a sari, and respects them for taking an interest. She was threatened Of course these people are just as guilty as you are, but their love of sushi or saris whatever is different because reasons.

These people are actively trying to halt cultural spread and growth by claiming appropriation. In fact, the only culture it's ok to appropriate is American/British culture, because it's impossible to oppress white people. In a manner of speaking, they're saying white people culture should persist and appreciation of any other culture should be suppressed. How is that not racist? Because they say it's out of respect? That would be like locking women up so they can't be sexually harassed, and calling it feminism.

I won't even get into how 90% of tumblr is just people trying too hard to be the most special person on the planet. Being gay is actually privilege compared to being a misunderstood trans genderfluid demisexual DHAB femme POC otherkin dragonspirit triggered by consensual romance with 3 headmates that look like the cast of a D&D game run by 12 year olds.

Strrrrrrawman!

I'd love to see an example of... really, any example of the discourse you mentioned.

Ok, here's one.

http://thisisnotjapan.tumblr.com/