Good job pirates! If I ever buy AC2 I'll be sure to download their crack. I skipped this game entirely because intermittent Australian internet would have made this game a nightmare.
No, you haven't. You've tried dancing around the fact that Steam is DRM by hammering on the point that being a different kind of DRM somehow makes it different than DRM. Not the same thing.Cynical skeptic said:I've also explained multiple times and multiple ways in which steam is intrinsically different than out-of-the-box DRM schemes such as securom, tages, starforce, and ubisoft's folly. Encouraging further anti-steam quibbling would serve nothing.
So we're in agreement that steam is different. Just not different enough to qualify it as "not DRM" in your mind. Steam, in my mind, functions more as a digital retailer rather than an asinine program that exists only to annoy and impede paying customers(tages, live, securom, starforce).Andy Chalk said:No, you haven't. You've tried dancing around the fact that Steam is DRM by hammering on the point that being a different kind of DRM somehow makes it different than DRM. Not the same thing.Cynical skeptic said:I've also explained multiple times and multiple ways in which steam is intrinsically different than out-of-the-box DRM schemes such as securom, tages, starforce, and ubisoft's folly. Encouraging further anti-steam quibbling would serve nothing.
And really, nothing is going to be "served" here. You continue to insist that you have a god-given right to determine the value of games via "first-hand experience," which is utter nonsense, and thus we seem to be dead-ended. Believe it or not, I do understand where you're coming from and so I recognize that we're going nowhere with this. Maybe someday you'll change your mind, maybe not. I'll check back with you in a decade or so.
I don't think we ever disagreed about Steam being different. But what happens in your mind isn't relevant to the fact that Steam is DRM. Really, I don't know why you're continuing to argue this point.Cynical skeptic said:So we're in agreement that steam is different. Just not different enough to qualify it as "not DRM" in your mind. Steam, in my mind, functions more as a digital retailer rather than an asinine program that exists only to annoy and impede paying customers(tages, live, securom, starforce).
If you're going to take advantage of their work, then they do. If you don't want to give them money, then don't take advantage of their work. If you don't want to buy their games, then don't. But don't pirate them either. It's not subject or schizophrenic; "around here," we just think of it as not being a douche.With the rate at which "subjectivity" is used to dismiss arguments around here, its kinda... schizophrenic to claim "publishers/developers deserve money" as an absolute.
Consoles don't have DRM, they have uPlay, where you unlock things for the game by doing things in the game your playin.sheic99 said:And for future games also, many people like myself won't touch a Ubisoft game while this DRM is still intact, this includes consoles.Nimbus said:While this is the first traditional crack that has surfaced (And it is legit- Skidrow is tied for first as the leading cracking group), the game has been completable for weeks, albeit though server emulation, which is a little tricker than normal to set up.
I would like to point out the legit customers are STILL suffering through this horrible inconvenience, while everyone that was going to pirate it have only been delayed by this. Sure, Ubi gets a few more sales (VERY few), but realistically, pissing off all your customers, loosing gamer good will, and putting ridiculous amounts of cash into creating an inventive new DRM scheme can't possibly made it up, considering they will have to keep the servers running 24/7 FOREVER in order for people to continue playing the game. Not to mention the fact that it probably lost them more sales then it got them, considering the bad reputation the game has gotten as a direct result of this.
That's not really the point.TerribleAssassin said:Consoles don't have DRM, they have uPlay, where you unlock things for the game by doing things in the game your playin.sheic99 said:And for future games also, many people like myself won't touch a Ubisoft game while this DRM is still intact, this includes consoles.Nimbus said:While this is the first traditional crack that has surfaced (And it is legit- Skidrow is tied for first as the leading cracking group), the game has been completable for weeks, albeit though server emulation, which is a little tricker than normal to set up.
I would like to point out the legit customers are STILL suffering through this horrible inconvenience, while everyone that was going to pirate it have only been delayed by this. Sure, Ubi gets a few more sales (VERY few), but realistically, pissing off all your customers, loosing gamer good will, and putting ridiculous amounts of cash into creating an inventive new DRM scheme can't possibly made it up, considering they will have to keep the servers running 24/7 FOREVER in order for people to continue playing the game. Not to mention the fact that it probably lost them more sales then it got them, considering the bad reputation the game has gotten as a direct result of this.
No matter how you spin it, Ubisoft by selling a product (that you cannot return or get a refund on) that does not function under reasonable circumstances. In any other market, that is called a SCAM. Ie, "Nothing for Something".psrdirector said:no matter how you spin it, they are criminals, anti gaming activists, and I hope they all end there lifes as pathetic people starving on the street. I hate pirates, no matter why they do it. This debate has made me want to support ubisoft financial, even thought I have no interest in actually playing any games with this drm, I will be buying it just to support them.
This post is awesome.Hopeless Bastard said:Theres another side to this that might warrant mention.
The actual game has been "playable" for about 3 weeks with a pretty ingenious DRM server emulator. This type of workaround is not up to the standards of the people actually cracking 90% of software. So while illegal copies of the game were playable, people were still working on stripping all of the DRM out of the game.
So, basically, its been completely cracked twice with two completely different methods. Pretty sure this is a first. Go ubisoft, you've made history.
This post is also awesome.Atmos Duality said:No matter how you spin it, Ubisoft by selling a product (that you cannot return or get a refund on) that does not function under reasonable circumstances. In any other market, that is called a SCAM. Ie, "Nothing for Something".psrdirector said:no matter how you spin it, they are criminals, anti gaming activists, and I hope they all end there lifes as pathetic people starving on the street. I hate pirates, no matter why they do it. This debate has made me want to support ubisoft financial, even thought I have no interest in actually playing any games with this drm, I will be buying it just to support them.
Of course, I'm just pissing into the wind here; I have no intention of supporting Ubisoft in any way. I won't even play or pirate the game.
The best thing to do (in my opinion) would be for everyone to ignore the game entirely (no PR is worse than bad-PR in the world of marketing), but the world doesn't work that way.
In closing, I hope Ubisoft dies abandoned and alone, just like how they treat their customers!
I am familiar with Skidrow´s work, (mostly from posts in several different programmers forums) and from what i have heard he/they is/are higly regarded among those programmers because the cracks are clean and easy to useAndy Chalk said:Snip
I can understand not wanting to break the law and bring possibly making some legal trouble for The Escapist, but without confirming the DRM has been cracked, isn't this just a rumour passing for news?Andy Chalk said:I don't know if the claim is legit and I have neither Assassin's Creed 2 nor the patience necessary to dick around with warez sites and cracks in order to find out.