Hackers Release PlayStation 3 "LV0 Decryption Keys"

[BernardoOne]

Hasn't the 360 and Wii been 'easily to hack', for like...ever now?

Never really saw NEAR the level of stories on TE when that was happening...

Maybe it's cause the PSP got so screwed by CFW?

Yes, PS3 is less popular by pirates because it is harder to hack and blueray discs cost A LOT. you can buy 10 dual layer dvds for the cost of 1 blueray disc.
then again this was only hard for people who didnt knew how ofc, but there are many such in the world.
what can i say, sony - 0, humanity - 1. locking users out of costum software should be criminal offence, but now its copyright.

Actualy, you are wrong. To hack PS3 you only need a USB drive. Piracy on PS3 does not use bluray discs, it uses the internal or external hardrives.

that is a fairly new thing. it used to be blueray or bust.

Fairly new? It can be done for the last 2 years! And it was the first thing you could do btw. As in, Blu-ray discs were never, ever needed for piracy.

you are aware that PS3 existed for more than 2 years?
Back when current gen consoles started, noone used internal HDDs. Bluerays were the way to do it. 2 years is not a long time. maybe to a gamer that will get depressed for not palying a game on launch-day it would be, but not for a sane person.

Are you aware that piracy on PS3 started 2 years ago? There was NO WAY to play pirated games before that, not even with blurays!

I am aware of the games my cousin pirated 4 years ago. What was that you said?

Right, your "cousin". Show me proof, real documentation on that. Im pretty sure its bullshit.

 

[Feylynn]

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Here's what a publisher sees.

People pirated our game

Then they bought it

Clearly they liked our game, but to appease our shareholders, we will load DRM onto it.

Now, the problem with people like you, is that you don't seem to be able to read reviews, and have never heard of youtube to get a feel for the game. You just HAVE to have it for yourself.

If you don't buy a game because it didn't have a demo, tell the god damn publisher, so they don't keep loading up DRM.


By pirating "for the demo", you're making the problem *worse*.

Also, my job is basically market analytics. If you dont' have the research to support your point, don't even mention it. Because what's going to happen (like right now, in fact) is that I'm going to ask you for evidence of your

Pirating as Demo and as Advertisement is a thing that happens.

statement, or request that you admit that you just made that up on the spot, which is equally likely.

For starters I'll clear up that my post was unclear that the start was supposed to be past tense, I no longer pirate things. But I have previously and it did get me to buy the games and trust that their sequels would be worth paying for on release.
My post was then very clearly worded to say that I'm aware that I'm working on a very small sample size. I'm aware that it is insignificant as a statistic and can't be used to chart the effect of this practice. But I am 100% certain it has happened because I personally have done this.
The reason that I mentioned it at all was in response to the idea that zero people would ever being willing to buy a game because they are a "pirate" and could get it for free. So how could any business make something more convenient than free?

This was my basis to imply Steam has done something right. It's entirely possible that the sub-20 people I know for a fact did this as well are the only people in existence to ever come up with such a crazy idea. I just wanted to express my belief it happens, or HAS happened more than an absolute zero.

 

[Poetic Nova]

Actually tempting to use since Sony is forcing singstar to us.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

Sadly It's getting to the point where you don't own anything you buy anymore

you never did. You own a licence to the game just like you always have. It's simply how Ip and copy rights work.

Completely incorrect.

The product you buy, regardless of what medium you buy it in, gives you physical ownership of the files/item you bought. By doing so, you agree not to sell or otherwise use the product or information in a commercial manner, but that product is yours to do with as you wish (rule of first-sale doctrine, making personal backups). Trying to justify this is like saying, "You can't own a Ford stationwagon - only the licence" or "you can't own this DVD, only a licence to view it." No matter how many weasel words the gaming industry uses to try and justify it, it has never worked, and never will work.

more or less yes that is what the statement is you don't own anything media wise due to the way the laws are written. I believe there are some companies trying to stop used dvd/bluray, game and book sales as well because of loss of in profit even if the said product is no longer in production.

Then I suggest you look up the rule of first-sale doctrine, because your argument is wrong. As said before, copyright doesn't trump physical ownership. Never has, and never will. Even if a law were passed to somehow outlaw reselling copies, it will still go on unabated and would eventually be struck down - you can't outlaw garage sales and the resale market on the whims of a few game publishers. That is absurd.

The second part of your argument goes to gaming companies trying to get a share of the resale market because they're trying to change the argument that a game (and by extension, physical media) can only be sold once. That's why they've pushed day-one DLC, online passes and pre-order bonuses over the last few years - it's all been done to combat the resale market.

I have a feeling this big court case coming up (at which this issue is at stake) will fall through, just like the attempt to push through digital media that can't be resold in the EU.

then this gets into grey area of modding pc games such as visual novels for example. There are Japanese companies out there that do not want people translating their product in English for any means "bad publicly etc". even if you buy the product and own it and want others to read it "face it Japanese is hard as hell to learn" by making patches for said players. The pc game base is tad more mod friendly here but that's difference In culture/business I suppose.

Now lets take The dmca signed into act of 2010 for example. This prevents you from making backups or copies of dvd's, games, cd's with copy protection even though it's legal to have a back up. The law was written as such if you by pass the copy protection on any physical media disc "even for the sole purpose of backing up" you are breaking the law so it makes the old laws moot because you know as well as I do that every piece of media now is copy protected.

 

[Strazdas]

Hasn't the 360 and Wii been 'easily to hack', for like...ever now?

Never really saw NEAR the level of stories on TE when that was happening...

Maybe it's cause the PSP got so screwed by CFW?

Yes, PS3 is less popular by pirates because it is harder to hack and blueray discs cost A LOT. you can buy 10 dual layer dvds for the cost of 1 blueray disc.
then again this was only hard for people who didnt knew how ofc, but there are many such in the world.
what can i say, sony - 0, humanity - 1. locking users out of costum software should be criminal offence, but now its copyright.

Actualy, you are wrong. To hack PS3 you only need a USB drive. Piracy on PS3 does not use bluray discs, it uses the internal or external hardrives.

that is a fairly new thing. it used to be blueray or bust.

Fairly new? It can be done for the last 2 years! And it was the first thing you could do btw. As in, Blu-ray discs were never, ever needed for piracy.

you are aware that PS3 existed for more than 2 years?
Back when current gen consoles started, noone used internal HDDs. Bluerays were the way to do it. 2 years is not a long time. maybe to a gamer that will get depressed for not palying a game on launch-day it would be, but not for a sane person.

Are you aware that piracy on PS3 started 2 years ago? There was NO WAY to play pirated games before that, not even with blurays!

I am aware of the games my cousin pirated 4 years ago. What was that you said?

Right, your "cousin". Show me proof, real documentation on that. Im pretty sure its bullshit.

Indeed it was my cousin. i am a PC-only gamer. He plays all 3 (PC, Xbox and PS3)
4 years ago it didnt occur to me to film the sitation because you may want to know it someday. so sorry, i cant prove it, and you have a right to distrust my word, but that does not negate it being truth.

 

[BernardoOne]

Hasn't the 360 and Wii been 'easily to hack', for like...ever now?

Never really saw NEAR the level of stories on TE when that was happening...

Maybe it's cause the PSP got so screwed by CFW?

Yes, PS3 is less popular by pirates because it is harder to hack and blueray discs cost A LOT. you can buy 10 dual layer dvds for the cost of 1 blueray disc.
then again this was only hard for people who didnt knew how ofc, but there are many such in the world.
what can i say, sony - 0, humanity - 1. locking users out of costum software should be criminal offence, but now its copyright.

Actualy, you are wrong. To hack PS3 you only need a USB drive. Piracy on PS3 does not use bluray discs, it uses the internal or external hardrives.

that is a fairly new thing. it used to be blueray or bust.

Fairly new? It can be done for the last 2 years! And it was the first thing you could do btw. As in, Blu-ray discs were never, ever needed for piracy.

you are aware that PS3 existed for more than 2 years?
Back when current gen consoles started, noone used internal HDDs. Bluerays were the way to do it. 2 years is not a long time. maybe to a gamer that will get depressed for not palying a game on launch-day it would be, but not for a sane person.

Are you aware that piracy on PS3 started 2 years ago? There was NO WAY to play pirated games before that, not even with blurays!

I am aware of the games my cousin pirated 4 years ago. What was that you said?

Right, your "cousin". Show me proof, real documentation on that. Im pretty sure its bullshit.

Indeed it was my cousin. i am a PC-only gamer. He plays all 3 (PC, Xbox and PS3)
4 years ago it didnt occur to me to film the sitation because you may want to know it someday. so sorry, i cant prove it, and you have a right to distrust my word, but that does not negate it being truth.

See, if that was true, everyone would know about and it would be documented. If your only source is your cousin...well, that is not exactly reliable.

 

[Strazdas]

Hasn't the 360 and Wii been 'easily to hack', for like...ever now?

Never really saw NEAR the level of stories on TE when that was happening...

Maybe it's cause the PSP got so screwed by CFW?

Yes, PS3 is less popular by pirates because it is harder to hack and blueray discs cost A LOT. you can buy 10 dual layer dvds for the cost of 1 blueray disc.
then again this was only hard for people who didnt knew how ofc, but there are many such in the world.
what can i say, sony - 0, humanity - 1. locking users out of costum software should be criminal offence, but now its copyright.

Actualy, you are wrong. To hack PS3 you only need a USB drive. Piracy on PS3 does not use bluray discs, it uses the internal or external hardrives.

that is a fairly new thing. it used to be blueray or bust.

Fairly new? It can be done for the last 2 years! And it was the first thing you could do btw. As in, Blu-ray discs were never, ever needed for piracy.

you are aware that PS3 existed for more than 2 years?
Back when current gen consoles started, noone used internal HDDs. Bluerays were the way to do it. 2 years is not a long time. maybe to a gamer that will get depressed for not palying a game on launch-day it would be, but not for a sane person.

Are you aware that piracy on PS3 started 2 years ago? There was NO WAY to play pirated games before that, not even with blurays!

I am aware of the games my cousin pirated 4 years ago. What was that you said?

Right, your "cousin". Show me proof, real documentation on that. Im pretty sure its bullshit.

Indeed it was my cousin. i am a PC-only gamer. He plays all 3 (PC, Xbox and PS3)
4 years ago it didnt occur to me to film the sitation because you may want to know it someday. so sorry, i cant prove it, and you have a right to distrust my word, but that does not negate it being truth.

See, if that was true, everyone would know about and it would be documented. If your only source is your cousin...well, that is not exactly reliable.

well my own eyes were witness of his pirated PS3 game, so cant really claim that he lied.
also this person also claims he can do it 4 years ago http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090430034816AAyuMIx

 

[Danceofmasks]

But why did they do it in the first place? Why were they tinkering around with the PS3's firmware to begin with if they themselves didn't want to spread it around? I guess it really raises the bigger question of "why do hackers hack?" I understand that there's some people out there wanting to send a message against companies they disagree with or otherwise just don't like, so they hack their systems as a way to attack them without getting found out. But I can't help but feel that a case like this are the hackers just saying "We did it just because we could." Well you can very easily take candy away from a baby, but that doesn't make you any less of a dick for doing it.

History lesson.
Every console, ever, up until the PS3, were hacked within weeks of launch.
To run Linux.
Nobody bothered to hack the PS3 for many years. Why?
Because what's the point of hacking a system that already allows you to run Linux?
That's the issue here. Sony marketed the PS3 as a computer.

The PS3 fat was, out of the box, really good value for being a web server. Or if you buy 12 of them, to make a supercomputer with.

Then Sony decided, "hey, let's patch in firmware that means you can't load your own programs anymore!"

It took some months after that before the first batch of PS3 hacks came about.

So, to be clear, the people who hack consoles are those tech savvy people who think, "if I buy hardware, I should be able to do whatever I want with it."

Let the record show that the PS3, for the time while it wasn't a closed system, was the most secure console in history.

Edit: fixing broken quote code

 

[masticina]

This might actually make my old PS3 with broken blu-ray drive useful again.

I am interested! And seriously I OWN the hardware... I don't plan to use it online for gaming or so anymore so.. sure on that one I don't mind Custom Firmware. Now for what use.. good question.. probably some emulators or make it the best. I mean it the best media system ever [with broken blu-ray drive]

 

[FalloutJack]

And to think, this is all because there had to be this big stink on one guy who wanted to customize his console. Pretty damn stupid waste of time.