Halo 4- I'll never buy another console game

[Shoggoth2588]

I'm going to assume this is your only grievance with Halo 4. Everything else is absolutely perfectly fine with the game except for that one little misstep. It seems like kind of a petty gripe though to be honest, especially since you have to pay for XBLG to even be able to access multiplayer.

You know...you could just buy another hard-drive...20GB isn't really expensive...or delete some stuff on your 4GB hard-drive...this in no way is the fault of the console.

Most (not all) game of the year editions of games come with a second disc with all the DLC on it.

There is your solution OP.

 

[edudewired]

So let me get this straight because you had to install a game you no longer want to play console games. You have played games on a pc right, you do realise you have to install all pc games before play?

 

[Comocat]

I feel your pain. I have an original 360 with 20g of HD space. I dont really want to drop the money for a new HD on a 6 or 7 year old system. I'd love to buy dlc though. I'm surprised an install is mandatory, so it's defintely worth keeping in mind if I buy more games, since it would render the game unplayable for me.

As a fun fact day one patches and bug fixes take up the largest % of space, by category, on my hard drive.

 

[The Wykydtron]

Uh...is this really something making a thread over?

Well, it raises awareness that you need 8GB of HD space to play the MP. I didn't know til I saw someone mention it on Twitter yesterday, so I had to clear a good chunk of shit out just to make room for it.

Wait 8GB? As in a full 8 Gigabytes? Just for the MP? Fuck's sake, I do not have the time to wait for my Internet connection to strain through that...

At least this this overreactionary thread has raised awareness. I can still play a ridiculous amount of LoL in the meantime though. Yes clog my Internet up with playing LoL and downloading 8GB worth of porn Halo. Counter-productive as fuck but hey, gotta research my upcoming Syndra guide/review/failure!

[sub]Yet there's no Syndra games in my match history, nobody check pls kthx[/sub]

 

[razer17]

Uh...is this really something making a thread over?

Well, it raises awareness that you need 8GB of HD space to play the MP. I didn't know til I saw someone mention it on Twitter yesterday, so I had to clear a good chunk of shit out just to make room for it.

Wait 8GB? As in a full 8 Gigabytes? Just for the MP? Fuck's sake, I do not have the time to wait for my Internet connection to strain through that...

At least this this overreactionary thread has raised awareness. I can still play a ridiculous amount of LoL in the meantime though. Yes clog my Internet up with playing LoL and downloading 8GB worth of porn Halo. Counter-productive as fuck but hey, gotta research my upcoming Syndra guide/review/failure!

[sub]Yet there's no Syndra games in my match history, nobody check pls kthx[/sub]

Eh, why do you have to download it? Can't you just go and buy a disc copy? The nyou install it off the disc

OT: OP, be reasonable.ARGHHH one developer makes me install stuff so consoles are dead to me!!!1! Doesn't even make sense.

The 8gb mandatory install to play MP is a little annoying, but it's not impossible to overcome. Go out, buy a 16gb memory stick for like £10, and install it on that. Plus another 8gb free for Arcade games, demos, dlc or whatever.

 

[The White Hunter]

I want to blame myself for not researching, but the thought of what they did never crossed my mind. Why would it? I've never seen it before on any other game. Games with more content don't even pull this shit, but enough jibber jabber. They gave me a second disc, yet it still wants me to install the multiplayer. I thought that was the purpose for the second disc, but it wasn't. I don't get it.Why would they do this? Mind you I have a 4gb HD (not by choice).

Are you saying that the multiplayer disc doesn't work until you install the content?

It's a mandatory install. DVD's aren't good enough to get decent quality textures from on the fly, it's why most console games have textures that are abysmal, and are hidden by stupid amounts of bloom.

Good on 343.

Good on 343 indeed. Now if only they'd release Halo 4 on PC... via Steam perhaps... they might make a lot of money and more people could enjoy their game...

 

[elvor0]

Uh...is this really something making a thread over?

Wait 8GB? As in a full 8 Gigabytes? Just for the MP? Fuck's sake, I do not have the time to wait for my Internet connection to strain through that...

Just lucky for you it's installed from a disc eh?

OT: Makes sense, Halo 4 is /very/ pretty. Seriously, 343, that opening cinematic? Genuinely thought it was live action when it started. This isn't just a case of wanting "ULTRA REALISM", they've really gone above and beyond in the graphical fidelity, the faces look almost human and manage to avoid the uncanny valley, they have really nice facial expressions and body language, and the environments are gorgeous and incredibly detailed. There's a couple of areas where you can see how they've pushed the 360 to its upper limits and the frame rate judders for a few seconds, but I would love to see how 343 would handle something like this on a high end PC. If they can push out stuff like this on a 360, imagine how well they could do without being limited by what is tantamount to ancient hardware these days.

Games these days are big man, there's PC games clocking in at 20GB, DVDs just aint cutting it anymore, and 8gig isn't really that much in comparison.

MY main complaint with Halo 4, is that you have to have a gold sub in order to play fucking spartan ops, you can't even play it local, total bollocks. I'm willing to blame Microsoft for that one though, 343 seems very dedicated to the game and community, (I'm not even a massive Halo fan, I've just been playing it with my flatmate) but I get the vibe that they really care about the series, and it seems odd that they would pull a move like that.

 

[Akimoto]

*snip*

Good on 343 indeed. Now if only they'd release Halo 4 on PC... via Steam perhaps... they might make a lot of money and more people could enjoy their game...

I doubt it. It's a good way to help the Xbox compete with the other consoles. Not that it's a bad thing, play to your strengths all you want, but it just means people either buy an Xbox or wait for youtube gameplays.

 

[Jiffex]

I love the fact that once you install from the second disc you don't have to keep swapping discs. I think that it would be better if you installed say the AC3 multiplayer disc and could then run it from the single player disc OR you could just keep disc swapping for those who don't have the space. So make it an optional install not mandatory.

 

[Easton Dark]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

 

[The White Hunter]

*snip*

Good on 343 indeed. Now if only they'd release Halo 4 on PC... via Steam perhaps... they might make a lot of money and more people could enjoy their game...

I doubt it. It's a good way to help the Xbox compete with the other consoles. Not that it's a bad thing, play to your strengths all you want, but it just means people either buy an Xbox or wait for youtube gameplays.

it and gears just aren't enough to justify an Xbox to me on their own freankly. Which is why I'd like Halo to still come out on PC, I have the first 2 somewhere.

I own a PS3 because it has a plethora of exclusive games that appeal to me and I've recently commited some money to my new PC rig at last and will be doing none-PS3 exclusve gaming there now.

 

[Fappy]

Install dat shit on a flashdrive, yo. I just recently bought a 16gig Sandisk for $15. Shit is cheap these days!

 

[The White Hunter]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

 

[Blunderboy]

Yeah, because PCs are known for their infinite hard drives.

 

[elvor0]

So basically Console games are PC games now? Thats what I'm reading, and it sad most of you don't find a problem with that. I'm sure MS could shit down your throat and you'll call it chocolate ice cream.

I bought an Xbox to avoid install issues, hard drive space issues, patches, and updates... but reality is, I just bought a less capable PC. Feel a little ripped off. I understand the original posters frustration and he is entitled to it.

What's there a problem to have? Look, at this point, the 360 is outdated hardware, there is no way you can pump out a AAA of Halo 4s size and scope and expect it to fit on one flimsy 8GB disc. Calling people sycophants just because they don't find issue with something that can't be avoided is being obtuse.

And yes, at this point is just a less capable PC, but that did seem pretty obvious on the way in, it's just the same as the PS3 really, PCs with a lot of the functionality cut out. I'm in the same boat as a lot of people here, with only owning a 20gb hard drive and I'll be damned if I'm paying whatever extortionate price it is for a 120gb hard drive (last I checked they were £50 and you can fuck right off given I can get a 1 TERRAbyte hard drive for the same price), but I appreciate /why/ they make you install it. If they didn't it wouldn't be what it was. Blame Microsoft for their stingy hard drive pricing, but it's unfair to 343 to say there's something wrong with the game because they have to overcome certain hardware limitations.

I've got games on my PC that clock in at 20GB each, 8GB is soo 2008.

Captcha: "Haters Gonna Hate". Thank you captcha, I agree with you, let's be friends.

 

[Vrach]

Yeah, because PCs are known for their infinite hard drives.

Nope, but I don't think a 4GB one exists anymore outside some museum or an antique shop.

Seriously, not to hate on consoles here (new PS3 owner myself), but there are HDDs with 4GBs? I know of the ones with 40GB, but 4? That's just silly. I agree a console game's insistence on installing is annoying, but a 4GB HDD is just sillier than that.

Someone above said using a memory stick is an option. If so, you can get even the 32GB sticks cheap nowadays, so I'd suggest going for one. Or maybe grab an external HDD, depends on how much memory you need (they're likely to be better value for money).

 

[bl4ckh4wk64]

You do know that on PC, you have to install stuff from disk, right? and if you're using Steam, you still have to install it...

 

[Lugbzurg]

So... Where's the problem, exactly? You don't have to swap disks? You've got more content? Is there an actual problem here or what? What does your internet connection have to do with a disk-based game's file size? If it's bad, then any online multiplayer game is going to do badly for you. In fact, what is so significant about this, and what does it have to do with every console game that has ever existed or ever will exist?

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

It's a mandatory install. DVD's aren't good enough to get decent quality textures from on the fly, it's why most console games have textures that are abysmal, and are hidden by stupid amounts of bloom.

Good on 343.

That's actually not the problem at all. The texture must be loaded into memory; the 360 has limited memory. Thus the problem is that texture sizes are limited. The advantage of installing is that data can be loaded from the hard drive faster than it can be read from a DVD - thus the improvement is in load times, not in texture quality.

There are of course cases where this may not be true. For example, if one's game assets are spread across many discs, it is possible that some content may not fit properly and, assuming there is no way to arrange said data such that necessary information is present on a single disc at some resolution, lower quality versions may be substituted instead. Putting additional assets in a different location is only useful if they can be accessed at run time thus the install.

To put it another way, a DvD simply stores data. It's 1s and 0s are just as good as any other storage media's. The problem with the device is that it reads relatively slowly and it has a relatively small capacity.