Halo 4- I'll never buy another console game

[lacktheknack]

That seems completely ridiculous to give up on console gaming because 1 game has a second disc to it. It isn't like this has been done before ever.

This is reading like the "first world problem" to end all "first world problems".

How did he not give up on console gaming YEARS ago?

 

[The White Hunter]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Goddamn, what the hell did you put in that thing to run that price?

OT: And this is why I do PC gaming on a dual monitor any more. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 and my 360, but if I have to deal with an hour of instals before playing my games I'm probably gonna be doing that shit on my computer, consoles were designed to be a faster pick up and play in comparison to computers, at least on my comp I can surf the web while shit instals (and not on a gimped to fuck and back browser either, that applies to the PS3 browser and the god awful excuse for a browser that is IE.)

And before I get flamed for being an elitist PC fanboy, I'm not, I just play what works best for the situation, it's why I still play Dark Souls on my PS3, and I love doing LAN parties with Halo 3 on my 360. It's just what consoles had going for them over PCs is quickly being eclipsed by what computers can do.

PM'd you my rig's component list. I put in dreams and decadently overpowered the thing.

Yeah that's the way I'm going tbh, I'm sick of putting up with all the downsides of a PC with no real upside save console exclusive games [Resistance 3 was fucking brilliant, for example]. But as for anything multiplatform then the PC is by far the better option nowadays.

The Jimqusition episode on this very subject summed it all up rather nicely. It's just not worth suffering a weak, restricted, pathetic PC-like experience when you could have a gaming PC instead, yeah a lot of the problems are still there, like patches, but you also have less of that shit be mandatory, the advantages of non-price-fixed digital distribution, much higher performance, more control options and, sorry but I have to mention this, graphics worthy of 2012, the current console gen is far too old to look good anymore.

Also I can use a high end PC for many other purposes too!

 

[MagmaMan]

I love the fact that once you install from the second disc you don't have to keep swapping discs. I think that it would be better if you installed say the AC3 multiplayer disc and could then run it from the single player disc OR you could just keep disc swapping for those who don't have the space. So make it an optional install not mandatory.

The thing is Halo 4 didn't do that either. You have to install from the second disc. You can't disc swap. Unfortunate, I'm not one to play just one game for an extended period of time, I swap out constantly and having to delete some other dlc which I use quite a bit just to access half of Halo 4 is annoying.

 

[savageoblivi0n]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Goddamn, what the hell did you put in that thing to run that price?

OT: And this is why I do PC gaming on a dual monitor any more. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 and my 360, but if I have to deal with an hour of instals before playing my games I'm probably gonna be doing that shit on my computer, consoles were designed to be a faster pick up and play in comparison to computers, at least on my comp I can surf the web while shit instals (and not on a gimped to fuck and back browser either, that applies to the PS3 browser and the god awful excuse for a browser that is IE.)

And before I get flamed for being an elitist PC fanboy, I'm not, I just play what works best for the situation, it's why I still play Dark Souls on my PS3, and I love doing LAN parties with Halo 3 on my 360. It's just what consoles had going for them over PCs is quickly being eclipsed by what computers can do.

just as a quick point, not trying to start an argument or anything..I can't speak for PS3 cause I've heard the installs can be monumental, but as far as the 360? an hour of installs? I've never had one take longer than 5 minutes, even the install that TC is complaining about for Halo 4 took less than 10 for me, just thought I'd point that out

 

[Irridium]

I know how you feel. That's why I had to pass on Halo 4.

When a fucking CONSOLE doesn't meet the required hard drive specs for a CONSOLE game, shit's just silly. And why do I have to install the game? I bought a fucking console so I wouldn't have to install games. I mean, isn't this one of the major cons of the PS3? Having to install games?

Games on the 360 with more than one disk don't need to be installed. Why the hell does Halo 4 need to? Remember when people got pissed at Sony for making PS3 games have mandatory installs? Isn't that one of the selling points for the 360? "Buy 360, you won't need to install console games on a console like it's just a shitty, watered-down PC!"

Yeah, consoles were always pretty much just watered-down PC's. But at least when you bought it, you knew it would work and you wouldn't need to buy anything extra to make the games work. You wouldn't need to install them, or patch them on day 1, or input a 20-digit code with a fucking controller. Just pop it in and it plays.

And yes, I'm pissed. I love Halo, it's one of my favorite series. I want to buy and play it with my old friends from where I used to live. But I can't, because it requires an install to play. So now I have to get a new, overpriced 360 hard drive. At least the PS3 let me swap out its hard drive with my PC hard drive. But I guess that's just too fucking convenient for Microsoft. No, they gotta make their own hard drives for their console and just make it far more expensive. For the price of one of Microsoft's 120gb hard drives I bought a 1tb hard drive for my PC, and put my old 500gb hard drive in my PS3.

Fuck you Microsoft.

Ah, feels good to rant.

 

[Easton Dark]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Ah good point.

But also good counter-point to your point. You can probably out-perform consoles for the same price.

I just ordered parts worth around $1000 for my new computer. It'll be my first one that I built myself, and it's gonna be beastly.

 

[Epona]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Goddamn, what the hell did you put in that thing to run that price?

OT: And this is why I do PC gaming on a dual monitor any more. Don't get me wrong, I love my PS3 and my 360, but if I have to deal with an hour of instals before playing my games I'm probably gonna be doing that shit on my computer, consoles were designed to be a faster pick up and play in comparison to computers, at least on my comp I can surf the web while shit instals (and not on a gimped to fuck and back browser either, that applies to the PS3 browser and the god awful excuse for a browser that is IE.)

And before I get flamed for being an elitist PC fanboy, I'm not, I just play what works best for the situation, it's why I still play Dark Souls on my PS3, and I love doing LAN parties with Halo 3 on my 360. It's just what consoles had going for them over PCs is quickly being eclipsed by what computers can do.

just as a quick point, not trying to start an argument or anything..I can't speak for PS3 cause I've heard the installs can be monumental, but as far as the 360? an hour of installs? I've never had one take longer than 5 minutes, even the install that TC is complaining about for Halo 4 took less than 10 for me, just thought I'd point that out

Just thought I would point out that the bolded statement is contradicted by the italicized statement. Unless you mean that the Halo 4 install took less than 5 and that was a typo?

 

[savageoblivi0n]

*snip*

bah yeah I probably worded that badly, had just gotten home from class and hadn't finished my coffee yet lol....what I meant to say was something to the effect of how the installs usually take between 5-10 minutes for me, so I just watch a couple music videos on youtube or something then go back to enjoying my game , sorry if I caused any confusion.

 

[chadachada123]

I want to blame myself for not researching, but the thought of what they did never crossed my mind. Why would it? I've never seen it before on any other game. Games with more content don't even pull this shit, but enough jibber jabber. They gave me a second disc, yet it still wants me to install the multiplayer. I thought that was the purpose for the second disc, but it wasn't. I don't get it.Why would they do this? Mind you I have a 4gb HD (not by choice).

There's a ludicrously cheap and easy fix, actually. Just get a cheap (8Gb or better) flash drive and plug it in. You can find this things for less than $10 if you're lucky and will give you tons of extra space.

Also, I'm sorry to say this, but it does say on the box that the multiplayer requires an install. Installation makes the game run smoother and with far better textures as opposed to playing from the disc, given how late in this console generation we are.

To be frank, all this does is put Halo 4's multiplayer on the same level as PC gaming in terms of inconvenience. The single-player is still way more convenient when all you have to do is stick the disc in the drive and go.

 

[Epona]

I thought mandatory installs were bad on consoles when the Sony did it. I guess it's ok when Microsoft does it. Sony never sold a PS3 model without enough storage to accommodate a single mandatory install but here we have an 8 GB install and Microsoft is actively selling consoles that have only 4 GB of storage space. It's pathetic that people are defending this. As for the comparisons to PC, that's just the thing, consoles aren't PC's. Consoles are supposed to be plug and play.

Escapist, it's bad enough to have to type in captchas every few posts but atleast make them readable.

 

[Chonglei Chen]

Look up some third party xbox 360 harddrives on newegg or amazon. You should pay no more than $50 for one. I have a 120 gig for my slim that I got for about $40. The only drawback is that there's no partition for the original xbox emulator. Well worth the price I'd say.

 

[Rule Britannia]

If it's not your fault it's especially not 343's fault. If it's anybody's fault it would be microsoft's fault, for not making bigger hard drives back then.

You completely able to buy a new hard drive you can buy 60gb or 250gb. Don't pull the "I shouldn't have to buy a new hard drive to play this game" If you have a 4gb hard drive you brought it upon yourself.

On another note, Halo 4 is lovely

 

[Twilight_guy]

I don't understand your post. Maybe If I bought Halo 4 I would, but not all of us own the game. Could you elaborate? Also, hyperbole much there title?

 

[acosn]

Uh, what? Are you complaining that the multiplayer is on a disc that you have to install? If you're wondering why the devs decided it was a good idea, it was so that the game would look its best. Common complaints about the previous two Halo games were that the graphical quality was too low for the current generation. The install was to make it so people didn't have to switch between discs in order to access the different modes, while getting the most out of the graphical hardware. And from a developer's perspective, it's assumed that if you were playing a big budget release like Halo, you had at least a Hard drive that actually had some capacity. Sorry to break it to you, but you're in the minority that the devs couldn't cater to. It was like with Rareware and Perfect Dark all those years ago, where you had to get the expansion pack to get the most out of the experience.

Except that microsoft intentionally inflates the pricing of hard drives.

This isn't a reasonable comparison to the expansion pack for the nintendo 64 because that was a legitimate hardware upgrade. And the game boxes came with a big, "REQUIRES EXPANSION PACK" notifier. What microsoft is doing is more associated with extortion. Having two different products to buy where one is laughably the superior choice, but costs more for no actual reason, is what we call extortion.

And microsoft's going to keep getting away with screwing over customers and developers alike (Valve literally stopped releasing games for Microsoft consoles because they didn't think Microsoft would stick to a draconian pay model for updates) as long as people are willing to pay for it.

Yeah, because PCs are known for their infinite hard drives.

They cost a fraction of what microsoft insists you pay for their proprietary hard drives and....yeah. For most intents and purposes a 500 GB hard drive is infinite space if you don't intend to build an archive or torrent large volumes of sound files and videos. And if you are, hey, there's 1 and 2 tb hard drives out there too.

 

[AT God]

Yeah, because PCs are known for their infinite hard drives.

Unless you need to play 20+ current generation games at a moments notice it doesn't matter, installation takes a few hours and can be done while playing a game, I have 900 gigabytes of games on my PC and I only play about 15 of them on a regular basis, I only need about 60GB for gaming at any one time, and I don't think you can get a hard drive that small

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

That seems completely ridiculous to give up on console gaming because 1 game has a second disc to it. It isn't like this has been done before ever.

This is reading like the "first world problem" to end all "first world problems".

How did he not give up on console gaming YEARS ago?

I don't know but I hope people don't get caught with this crap next gen. I know some people buy it because it is cheaper but I never saw the point in getting the 4gb for long term needs or god forbid the launch 360 without a HDD that had memory card slots.

 

[Fayathon]

just as a quick point, not trying to start an argument or anything..I can't speak for PS3 cause I've heard the installs can be monumental, but as far as the 360? an hour of installs? I've never had one take longer than 5 minutes, even the install that TC is complaining about for Halo 4 took less than 10 for me, just thought I'd point that out

PS3 is abominable for install times, and I don't do enough on my 360 anymore to know what the install times are for that platform, so I can't say. My point is that when I was a major console gamer it was because shit was plug and play, you'd toss the cartridge/disc in and play, with the industry leaning towards mandatory installation I started asking why I was putting up with it on anything other than my PC, especially since I can't do a damned thing on my systems when installations are going on. Again, I have all three of the current generation's systems, more or less for the exclusives, the Resistance series and Uncharted giving me many reasons to love my PS3, Halo 3 and it's ilk giving me a load of LAN party good memories made my 360 more than a justified purchase and the Zelda and Metroid Prime games on my Wii have paid for it time and again, but with the trend being what it is I see little point in getting consoles this upcoming generation, with the exception of possibly a WiiU.

 

[Jiffex]

I love the fact that once you install from the second disc you don't have to keep swapping discs. I think that it would be better if you installed say the AC3 multiplayer disc and could then run it from the single player disc OR you could just keep disc swapping for those who don't have the space. So make it an optional install not mandatory.

The thing is Halo 4 didn't do that either. You have to install from the second disc. You can't disc swap. Unfortunate, I'm not one to play just one game for an extended period of time, I swap out constantly and having to delete some other dlc which I use quite a bit just to access half of Halo 4 is annoying.

That's what I meant by "It would be better". You could choose to install to avoid disc swapping or you could choose not to install to avoid taking up space.

 

[Zetatrain]

I'm confused, everyone keeps taking about how the the mandatory installation for multiplayer is 8GB, but I only have 3.5 GB listed on my hard drive (2GB for war games and 1.5GB for Spartan Ops season 1.0).

Also, the first disk takes up 7.3 GB, but is in no way mandatory.

Uh...is this really something making a thread over?

Well, it raises awareness that you need 8GB of HD space to play the MP. I didn't know til I saw someone mention it on Twitter yesterday, so I had to clear a good chunk of shit out just to make room for it.

Wait 8GB? As in a full 8 Gigabytes? Just for the MP? Fuck's sake, I do not have the time to wait for my Internet connection to strain through that...

Umm...the content is on the disk so I don't think your internet connection has anything to do with the installation speed.

 

[The White Hunter]

"Don't you have to install every PC game?"

Yes, people. It has been pointed out. But if you have to increasingly install console games, why play on the console? It's just a bad PC at that point. That requires you to use disks.

I'm with you OP. You didn't get the product with the quality you expected. Send them a message.

Entry price.

That said you can get a PC capable of running mid settings for around the price of a console without much hassle these days, My old PC has a 3GHz dual core and a fairly cheap gpu and it managed well enough.

Just put down £1300 on a new rig though!

Ah good point.

But also good counter-point to your point. You can probably out-perform consoles for the same price.

I just ordered parts worth around $1000 for my new computer. It'll be my first one that I built myself, and it's gonna be beastly.

Easily, my current PC cost me only £300 for an office hub kinda machine but I could go get an okay GPU for under £100 and start gaming at console levels of performance with it. That's around £400 but even then you can get gaming for around £350 on a PC with no real problem.

I opted not to build my own since it's gonna cost only a little bit extra to get it built from scan and then it has a 3 year warranty in case it dies. If I build it myself for that price and it dies I'll cry.

Can't wait for my new rig! Hoping the PC port of DmC is good too :3 60fps that consoles dream of with it, pfft, I'll be knocking on 100 without any trouble.