Halo Reach Perfect 10! WTF?

[greenflash]

So... what have we learnt?

That the reviewer is a fanboi.

But in all honesty, the game HAS to have some good parts to get that score. I could overlook Starcraft 2's lackluster plot in favor of the gameplay, so Reach might also be appealing to me.

[sub]i wish a pc version will come out[/sub]

let me geuss... you did not read the back story and books and other stuff on the site

 

[Eipok Kruden]

Actually, a ten shouldn't mean literally perfect - without flaw. It should just mean that it's masterfully done.

That's why we use stars, honestly. People interpret someone giving a game a 10 as saying it is utterly and completely without flaw. Us giving a game five stars, on the other hand? Sure, it's technically the same thing, but if you see a game get 5/5 stars, you don't think "oh, it must be perfect 100%," you just think "damn, that must be a superb game."

Besides, even if the characters ARE fairly stock, they're likable enough, and the story is well told for all its cliches. I'm not going to spoil Tuesday's review, but it was the first time a Halo game felt genuinely emotional

That's something I never understood. Why people take a 5/5 to mean something different than a 10/10. How is a 5/5 "Masterfully well done; A must play" while a 10/10 is "Absolutely perfect in every imaginable way. Nothing wrong can possibly be said about it. Best thing ever. Made by the hands of God himself. Should be worshiped by every man, woman, and child on the planet. Bow down before its glory."? Do you know what drives people to see 5/5 as different than 10/10? I mean, sites even say in their 'review score breakdown' or whatever they call it that 10/10 doesn't actually mean "perfect".

 

[Nukey]

This is why I don't listen to IGN.

 

[Danpascooch]

SNIP

While it's been "in" to hate on Halo recently, the games are actually of very high quality, and the story is at worst adequate.

There's a reason it's so popular.

 

[Evil_Weevil]

So... what have we learnt?

1. That in future I should not start threads with provocative titles if I want to have a serious discussion

2. The internet is never the best place to have these serious discussions

3. I was almost certainly an idiot for disregarding points 1+2

 

[CJ1145]

Dude. Completely agreeable statement, and very well thought out. Gotta say, it's crap like this that pushed me away from Halo in the first place. Also, the Godfather IS good, but can we stop using it as the "be all-end all" of movie perfection?

You're saying that other people liking it pushed you away from Halo? THAT is WTF worthy. This is just critics being critics. Don't get so up in arms people. You're making it sound like this is Halo's fault. It is not. It's IGN's stop misplacing the blame on Halo like everybody tries to on this forum.

 

[ALuckyChance]

The thing is, a perfect 10 is supposed to indicate, well, perfect.

Actually, if you look at IGN UK's review chart 10/10 is not "Perfect" it's "Masterful." Most review sources that use a numeric rating scale don't consider a 5/5, 10/10, etc. "perfect" as there would pretty much never be anything that received such a score.

I stand corrected then. I still believe my argument still works, however, as the story clearly isn't 'masterful.'

The Masterful designation is given for the entire game as a whole, not for the story. All games that are often named as "Masterful" (or even perfect or classic) have notable flaws that keep them from perfection but don't lower the impact of the experience as a whole. Of course, your personal results will vary as opinions always do.

Well, in my opinion...

A story is a very important part of the game. When the story happens to be mediocre, the quality of the game declines. It makes sense - at least for me - for a masterful game to be as close to perfect as possible in every category

I certainly see where you're coming from, but in that case I hope you also exclude titles like, just to name a few, the Zelda games, many of the Metroid games, all of the Mario games, etc. from the list of games you consider "Masterful."

Which is why I don't consider the games as a whole to be masterful. Some parts of the games are, surely, but not all of them.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

What's strange is how they can criticize it, but still give it a perfect score. If it's not a perfect game, it doesn't deserve a perfect score. Even my favorite game of all time, Resident Evil 4, has issues. I could say "well, it wasn't trying to be heavy on the story" but that's still an issue and therefore I cannot give it a perfect score. Even Professor Layton and the Curious Village has some awkward puzzle delivery. That's an issue. It's close to perfect, but it's not perfect. Don't give a 10/10 to a game that doesn't deserve it.

But then again, I'm an extremely harsh critic.

 

[Eren Murtaugh]

Dude. Completely agreeable statement, and very well thought out. Gotta say, it's crap like this that pushed me away from Halo in the first place. Also, the Godfather IS good, but can we stop using it as the "be all-end all" of movie perfection?

You're saying that other people liking it pushed you away from Halo? THAT is WTF worthy. This is just critics being critics. Don't get so up in arms people. You're making it sound like this is Halo's fault. It is not. It's IGN's stop misplacing the blame on Halo like everybody tries to on this forum.

No, I'm saying people giving it perfect scores when it wasn't a complete game pushed me away. I need some reason to give a damn why the hell I should keep Master Chief alive, and "You gotta save the earth because you;re Mr. Perfect Warrior" doesn't cut it.

 

[ShoopDaToaster]

IGN stopped having a reasonable opinion a LONG time ago.

 

[CJ1145]

What's strange is how they can criticize it, but still give it a perfect score. If it's not a perfect game, it doesn't deserve a perfect score. Even my favorite game of all time, Resident Evil 4, has issues. I could say "well, it wasn't trying to be heavy on the story" but that's still an issue and therefore I cannot give it a perfect score. Even Professor Layton and the Curious Village has some awkward puzzle delivery. That's an issue. It's close to perfect, but it's not perfect. Don't give a 10/10 to a game that doesn't deserve it.

But then again, I'm an extremely harsh critic.

It's remarkable, really. 10/10 does not mean perfect. Nobody seems to recognize this. Even sites where they specifically state "10/10" does not mean perfect, people get all up in arms over 10/10 scores because "OMG they're saying it's perfect RAGE"

 

[Ironic Pirate]

Dude, pay no attention to the score. It's an arbitrary number they threw on at the end. They almost never have a correlation to the actual content of the review.

 

[John Funk]

Actually, a ten shouldn't mean literally perfect - without flaw. It should just mean that it's masterfully done.

That's why we use stars, honestly. People interpret someone giving a game a 10 as saying it is utterly and completely without flaw. Us giving a game five stars, on the other hand? Sure, it's technically the same thing, but if you see a game get 5/5 stars, you don't think "oh, it must be perfect 100%," you just think "damn, that must be a superb game."

Besides, even if the characters ARE fairly stock, they're likable enough, and the story is well told for all its cliches. I'm not going to spoil Tuesday's review, but it was the first time a Halo game felt genuinely emotional

That's something I never understood. Why people take a 5/5 to mean something different than a 10/10. How is a 5/5 "Masterfully well done; A must play" while a 10/10 is "Absolutely perfect in every imaginable way. Nothing wrong can possibly be said about it. Best thing ever. Made by the hands of God himself. Should be worshiped by every man, woman, and child on the planet. Bow down before its glory."? Do you know what drives people to see 5/5 as different than 10/10? I mean, sites even say in their 'review score breakdown' or whatever they call it that 10/10 doesn't actually mean "perfect".

Do I know? No, not at all. Maybe it's because people are silly

 

[Vires Vox]

Why is it that people seem to consistantly make the mistake that 10/10 = perfect

10/10 out of ten represents the best in gaming media that can hoped to be achieved at this present time, at no point in the review did it say "halo: reach is perfect in everyway"

Films consistently recieve 5 stars and no one seems to bat an eyelid at those reviews, and thats because everyone knows 5 stars doesn't mean perfect, it means "this is a great film, go see it", just like 10/10 in gaming means "this is a great game, you should play it"

 

[drisky]

First off all game play is more important to a review than story.
Second its supposedly the best single player campaign of the franchise.
Third stop trying to compare video games to movies
Forth this is why arbitrary numbers are stupid in reviews. Like Yatzee says a review is a complex opinion that can not be summed up by a numerical value. I just ignore the numbers now a days.

 

[Pist0l 07]

I don't think he said there were bad characters, just a bad story. Still, a perfect ten with a mediocre story seems dumb. I enjoy halo and will be getting this but even I don't think it should get a ten. However like Yatzee said, scores don't represent opinions on games well. I guess the line goes if you like Halo you'll like this, but if you've never liked Halo then this game probably isn't for you. However forge world looks like its worth checking out.

 

[sneakypenguin]

I dare say they looked at the whole package to arrive at their conclusion. So what story is a bit samey. There is still forge, multiplayer, 4 player co-op, 4 player splitscreen, horde mode. I look at a game out there and most don't even offer half that stuff much less with the bungie polish and support. All things considered a meh story probably doesn't need to take to much off a ranking.

Then again some people are ones to criticize porches for poor gas mileage lol. Can't please everyone i guess .

 

[ToxinArrow]

ITT: anti-Halo trolls rage, pro-Halo rage rage back, everyone else still has an unaffected personal opinion since no one has played the finished copy, and will decide Tuesday morning.

 

[wrecker77]

Well, the halo games have never had the best stories. But when you tie them with the books. It all kind of makes sense, but its still pretty average.

However, I think the game will be amazing and Tuesday cant come soon enough.

9.5 out of ten are you happy?

And I hate ign, they really are all idiots. Especially their music team.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

It's remarkable, really. 10/10 does not mean perfect. Nobody seems to recognize this. Even sites where they specifically state "10/10" does not mean perfect, people get all up in arms over 10/10 scores because "OMG they're saying it's perfect RAGE"

But it should be. Why wouldn't it be otherwise? 100% means that it cannot get any better. And that's why I don't really like numerical scores like this. Take Indigo Prophecy, which was excellent for the first half and terrible for the second. Or Dark Void which was awful at first but got better later. How am I supposed to rate those games out of 5, 10, or 100? And what if a game comes out that is perfect (my money's on Portal 2)? When it gets a 10/10 and is claimed to be perfect, it will immediately be on the same level as Metal Gear Solid 4 or something that got perfect scores despite being extremely flawed.