Has Pokemon always sucked?
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I don't really buy that considering so many people still love the pokemon games regardless of their like/dislike of the show, love how it's combat works, and whats with the "without adding much on," In every release they have added a completely new area and entire gigantic cast of new pokemon, they went back and redid a few with leaf green/fire red and heart gold/soul silver but they added tons of content to those, the newest games actually have a played out story with villains that doesn't end midway through the gym leadersDizeazedkiller said:
Well i never picked up the latest game because the pokemon all look.... stupid. And well i expected it to just be another recycling with different looking gym leaders and baddies... Other people will enjoy it but i can't. After sapphire and the reboots of red and green it just went downhill for me. And the only reason i enjoyed sapphire was because of treeko and the bird pokemon you can get near the 1st gym town (swallow or something).Furioso said:
For what it was it was actually good then around hoenn they stopped giving a shit and became formula.
At least in the first few seasons they had some interesting stories and used the pokemon in unique ways....also pokemon back then were assholes or had feelings you had to battle first because they dont like you.
Pikachu was an ass
Caterpie had aspirations
Pidgeotto wanted to eat caterpie=dick
Bulbasaur was a dick
Squirtle a dick
Charizard was an abused asshole
But now pokemon(even new ones) are just happy creatures and join your team. What The Fuck Happened!!!?
At least in the first few seasons they had some interesting stories and used the pokemon in unique ways....also pokemon back then were assholes or had feelings you had to battle first because they dont like you.
Pikachu was an ass
Caterpie had aspirations
Pidgeotto wanted to eat caterpie=dick
Bulbasaur was a dick
Squirtle a dick
Charizard was an abused asshole
But now pokemon(even new ones) are just happy creatures and join your team. What The Fuck Happened!!!?
Considering that fuck all has changed in the decades of Pokemon's existence, i'm going to say yes. If you think it sucks now, you would have thought it sucked years ago.
I just get defensive when people declare a games style as boring as a matter of fact, as opposed to opinion, your points for not liking the games are very valid, and I actually agree with your thinking that the pokemon black/white pokemon look stupid... a lot of them do look stupid, they really really do:Dizeazedkiller said:
**Episode 1 was on today, they flat out call him 10yrs old in Pkmn B/W, i've been corrected**
*and the intros these days DO suck... i think*
Being right there when Pokemon hit North America (I was 5), I can't deny my nostalgia bias. I also stopped paying attention to the anime from the ending of Johto to sometime in the Diamond/Pearl series. Regardless, I think Pokemon has evolved from that time when we didn't notice a show's merits, we only saw: "Ahhhhh coulourful monsters...OoOOoOoo i want a Larvitar... i wanna BE a Scyther!!!" (just me?)
Sure Ash looks the same after 5 province-spanning adventures, and Team Rocket's blast-off count is awfully close to the # of episodes (too many). The show has its stale bits for sure, but has also taken noticeable strides forward. Well, it took 4 seasons for Team Rocket to evolve from "lovable goofs" to "actually criminal" and I saw it mentioned so I won't elaborate, but it's certainly refreshing. I find Ash's voice has become more tolerable since the original ULTRA high-pitched one of the 1st couple series. In D/P and B/W, he still sounds raspy, but more adult and I don't find it grating, not like when re-watching old ones. I see comments that he is still 10 after all these years, i didn't pick that up from the show. So they havn't drawn him looking much different, the voice and actual events in the show (assuming an on-foot pkmn adventure taking i dunno... 6 months...with 6 months off so him Mom doesn't die of loneliness) it wouldn't make him any older than 15-16 now, making his appearance reasonable. Lastly, if Ash kept his team after each Journey, the show would lose any sort of pacing. It'd have gotten older a lot quicker if Ash had just beefed up his original team, challenging all these new gyms designed for aspiring trainers with his lvl 100 Charizard and Pikachu combo (THAT would be a double battle!!). The show lives on because of the reboots, and all his pokemon we've seen get to go live on a farm with his mom and Prof. Oak after their time in the spotlight. (Sooooo much better than's the game perception of them all stored in a tiny PC box, stuck in Pokeball limbo *shudders* -_-)
No more paragraphs like that ._." (Still reading?)
The plot will always retain the same formula, but i believe they've done a commendable job given the same template to work from every season. No longer is it guaranteed that the protagonist always wins, or that there's even a purely happy ending. From time to time Ash will lose to a novice trainer or important gym fight and i rarely expect it (you usually expect some awesome comeback). It's more interesting than if he won all the time, it leaves time to reflect and grow. Dawn loses her final contest (after all that) to a friend and Ash loses in the Semifinals to some dick with a full legendary team (realistic... can anybody else relate?) Both endings were far more effective that victories, i felt. I was most pumped to see Ash fell 2 legendaries and lose in that whole series. His major victories being personal ones (like beating Paul and FRIENDSHIP.. yay). Personally i'm eager to see how he fairs in B/W league.
The point i'm trying to form is that show doesn't suck if you give it a chance. Focusing on all the plot holes of a children's TV show is gonna leave you with quite a list, no doubt, but you could do the same to so many others. But you focused on mine, and got my attention, good show. T'was fun to express my thoughts on something i care about. I'm not much of a forum guy, but thanks for reading.
*and the intros these days DO suck... i think*
Being right there when Pokemon hit North America (I was 5), I can't deny my nostalgia bias. I also stopped paying attention to the anime from the ending of Johto to sometime in the Diamond/Pearl series. Regardless, I think Pokemon has evolved from that time when we didn't notice a show's merits, we only saw: "Ahhhhh coulourful monsters...OoOOoOoo i want a Larvitar... i wanna BE a Scyther!!!" (just me?)
Sure Ash looks the same after 5 province-spanning adventures, and Team Rocket's blast-off count is awfully close to the # of episodes (too many). The show has its stale bits for sure, but has also taken noticeable strides forward. Well, it took 4 seasons for Team Rocket to evolve from "lovable goofs" to "actually criminal" and I saw it mentioned so I won't elaborate, but it's certainly refreshing. I find Ash's voice has become more tolerable since the original ULTRA high-pitched one of the 1st couple series. In D/P and B/W, he still sounds raspy, but more adult and I don't find it grating, not like when re-watching old ones. I see comments that he is still 10 after all these years, i didn't pick that up from the show. So they havn't drawn him looking much different, the voice and actual events in the show (assuming an on-foot pkmn adventure taking i dunno... 6 months...with 6 months off so him Mom doesn't die of loneliness) it wouldn't make him any older than 15-16 now, making his appearance reasonable. Lastly, if Ash kept his team after each Journey, the show would lose any sort of pacing. It'd have gotten older a lot quicker if Ash had just beefed up his original team, challenging all these new gyms designed for aspiring trainers with his lvl 100 Charizard and Pikachu combo (THAT would be a double battle!!). The show lives on because of the reboots, and all his pokemon we've seen get to go live on a farm with his mom and Prof. Oak after their time in the spotlight. (Sooooo much better than's the game perception of them all stored in a tiny PC box, stuck in Pokeball limbo *shudders* -_-)
No more paragraphs like that ._." (Still reading?)
The plot will always retain the same formula, but i believe they've done a commendable job given the same template to work from every season. No longer is it guaranteed that the protagonist always wins, or that there's even a purely happy ending. From time to time Ash will lose to a novice trainer or important gym fight and i rarely expect it (you usually expect some awesome comeback). It's more interesting than if he won all the time, it leaves time to reflect and grow. Dawn loses her final contest (after all that) to a friend and Ash loses in the Semifinals to some dick with a full legendary team (realistic... can anybody else relate?) Both endings were far more effective that victories, i felt. I was most pumped to see Ash fell 2 legendaries and lose in that whole series. His major victories being personal ones (like beating Paul and FRIENDSHIP.. yay). Personally i'm eager to see how he fairs in B/W league.
The point i'm trying to form is that show doesn't suck if you give it a chance. Focusing on all the plot holes of a children's TV show is gonna leave you with quite a list, no doubt, but you could do the same to so many others. But you focused on mine, and got my attention, good show. T'was fun to express my thoughts on something i care about. I'm not much of a forum guy, but thanks for reading.
Have you been keeping up with his latest pokemon captures? They still maintain personalities and quirks. Just going from B/W's Pokemon.
Tepig- okay, didn't see the episode... it's just adorable
Oshawatt- eager to prove itself, clumsy
Snivey- a bit of a loner, didn't want to be caught
Pidove- uhm... 1st Unova pkmn! Whoo!!
Sewaddle- Wasn't he a bit of an asshole too?
That's as much as memory can serve me.
I just wish they'd stop rubbing it in our faces that ASH can catch all 3 starters in every continent and WE CAN'T.
Tepig- okay, didn't see the episode... it's just adorable
Oshawatt- eager to prove itself, clumsy
Snivey- a bit of a loner, didn't want to be caught
Pidove- uhm... 1st Unova pkmn! Whoo!!
Sewaddle- Wasn't he a bit of an asshole too?
That's as much as memory can serve me.
I just wish they'd stop rubbing it in our faces that ASH can catch all 3 starters in every continent and WE CAN'T.
Have you been keeping up with his latest pokemon captures? They still maintain personalities and quirks. Just going from B/W's Pokemon.
Tepig- okay, didn't see the episode... it's just adorable
Oshawatt- eager to prove itself, clumsy
Snivey- a bit of a loner, didn't want to be caught
Pidove- uhm... 1st Unova pkmn! Whoo!!
Sewaddle- Wasn't he a bit of an asshole too?
That's as much as memory can serve me.
I just wish they'd stop rubbing it in our faces that ASH can catch all 3 starters in every continent and WE CAN'T.
Tepig- okay, didn't see the episode... it's just adorable
Oshawatt- eager to prove itself, clumsy
Snivey- a bit of a loner, didn't want to be caught
Pidove- uhm... 1st Unova pkmn! Whoo!!
Sewaddle- Wasn't he a bit of an asshole too?
That's as much as memory can serve me.
I just wish they'd stop rubbing it in our faces that ASH can catch all 3 starters in every continent and WE CAN'T.
I played pokemon black. I take it back, its a great game. Why? Emolga. Fucking EMOLGA.Furioso said:I just get defensive when people declare a games style as boring as a matter of fact, as opposed to opinion, your points for not liking the games are very valid, and I actually agree with your thinking that the pokemon black/white pokemon look stupid... a lot of them do look stupid, they really really do:Dizeazedkiller said:
Trash pokemon...really Nintendo? Really?!
Pokemon has always been a god damn horrible show. The only reason it seemed good as kids is because it was written with kids in mind. And I don't mean the "Hey, kids will understand this, though we'll add some more complex ideas in there too that might even add depth that adults can enjoy". No, it's the "Hey, kids are fucking stupid, just feed them the same basic formulaic shit every time and they'll lap it up."
Oh thank god...you were referring to the anime. To answer your question, yes, the anime has always been pretty awful. I've been obsessed with the game series since I was around 7 (I'm 20 now), but I started hating the show at like 10. Some of the movies are kinda cool, though, like the Arceus one, and the "Mewtwo Returns" special is pretty tight, too. The show itself is pretty cringe-worthy in my opinion, though.
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I recently watched the older episodes, and yes the show's not very good, but it's wasn't bad. I seemed alright for children, and I still get nostalgic watching it. Now, the newer show pissed me off.
Well it's meant for younger kids so it can be a bit silly because young kids won't notice that but only the awesomeness of the pokemon battles and all the friends are great stuff.
I watched first and second worlds as a kid but then I stopped watching. So yeah, the series is pretty childish and whatnot but it's also aimed a young generation so it doesn't need to be top notch anime like death note for example.
I watched first and second worlds as a kid but then I stopped watching. So yeah, the series is pretty childish and whatnot but it's also aimed a young generation so it doesn't need to be top notch anime like death note for example.
I guess the reason people look back to the first season is because of nostalgia factor, but if you really take a look at it you'll see that it's all the same jokes, boring plots and Team Rocket being blasted off yet again (something people managed to get tired of already in the FIRST season).
So for any relation to pokemon i say: Play the games, watch the gym and/or league battles of the anime and shun everything else. Though the first movie was actually pretty good if only because Mewtwo was in it.
So for any relation to pokemon i say: Play the games, watch the gym and/or league battles of the anime and shun everything else. Though the first movie was actually pretty good if only because Mewtwo was in it.