Cocaine is one of the few recreational drugs that has actually earned its bad reputation. Its multitude of cascade effects means LD50/100's vary wildly in individuals, it's incredibly short lasting high and short half-life strongly incentivises repeat dosing.
When it comes to drugs that i have/haven't used it would be easier for me to just name the ones i haven't, and overall i'd say that most of the drug's i've used have lead to amazing experiences with little to no downsides. I'd genuinely recommend the likes of LSD or magic mushrooms to anyone whose looking into trying new things in life, but cocaine is one of the few drug's i would say to never even bother trying.
Unless you're in S. America most of what you'll be sniffing be benzo/lidocaine, laxatives and baby powder etc, the high is so short you're always left wanting more, and even if you dose responsibly there's still a chance it'll kill you.
Anyone out there thinking of giving it a go: don't bother mate, there's no point, it's shit and its dangerous. Just get some MDMA for a good night out.
razer17 said:
Regnes said:
Do you think that most people started doing hard drugs under sound reasoning, do you think it makes any sense for somebody to do a drug that could reasonably kill them in one single use?
Yes, yes I could. A lot of cocaine users are high powered, intelligent individuals. Corporate lawyers, bankers and stock traders and these sorts of people, who'll use cocaine on the weekends like it's like its caffeine.
Raw cocaine in itself isn't that dangerous. What's more dangerous are A: the cutting agents, and B: crack cocaine. Crack is much more potent, much more addictive and generally nastier than "vanilla" coke. I'm not saying it's safe or advocating people use it, but it's not the most dangerous drug around, plenty of people use it occasionally and never really have ill effects (except legal effects if they get caught).
OT: I have never tried cocaine, I never intend to try cocaine. I still think it should be legalised though.
Blablahb said:
Well, aside from reducing people to subhuman creatures who end up shaking in my waiting area hoping for methadone, there is the moral dimension that anyone who buys cocaine helps finance the FARC in Colombia and a host of other similar crime cartels. They make themselves responsible for that by financing those cartels.
That would be strange, since Methadone is a substitue for heroin, which is quite different to cocaine.
One reason that I personally have for legalising certain drugs, including cocaine, is the involvement of these criminal gangs. It's kind of circular reasoning, but if governments did legalise it they would massively decrease the revenue that these groups generate. We can never stop drugs, so legalise them, make legit operations, maybe we stop people like FARC and the cartels.
Cocaine IS very dangerous, even in it's pure form, it's not very selective at all in it's action and it causes a cascade of effects throughout multiple systems in the body, whereas most drugs are fairly selective in their effects and have little to no effect on bodily systems outside the good stuff. This means that, unlike most drugs, there effectively is no safe dose. I can IV Xmg's of heroin and be 99% sure one way or the other whether this dose will kill me. I can IV Xmg's of cocaine (pure) and whether it's fatal or not is entirely up to how my individual body deals with it... something no one can possibly know.
It's not a matter of "cocaine is a hard drug, so it's dangerous". Cocaine, pure or not, freebase form or not, IS far more dangerous than most (all) common recreational drugs. Including heroin and meth. Heroin is ironically a fairly safe drug all things considered, it's the addiction potential that makes it dangerous, that and the complete lack of understanding in it's users about purity, tolerance and how they relate to the dosages they should be taking.
With most drugs risk is a question of responsible use, take a low dose, no risk, take a high dose, you're risking it. With cocaine that question is gone, any dose could be lethal and there's no way of knowing.
As to Blahblah and co, do you really think criminal gangs with full-auto's shooting up shit is the fault of an inanimate chemical? Criminalise bread tomorrow and i 100 per-fucking-cent guarantee you'll have bread cartels killing each other by mid-afternoon. The substance is meaningless, if someones willing to pay for X and you try and stop them getting what they want then you can be sure as shit someones going to be willing to break the law to get that money.
