Hawkeye

[Souplex]

As many of you have surely noticed, the internet seems to object to the presence of Hawkeye in the Avengers films. At the same time, the internet seems to wave the Batman-flag at every opportunity.
What is the reason for this cognitive dissonance?

 

[Casual Shinji]

I guess it's the fact that Batman's cool and Hawkeye isn't.

 

[Barbas]

I guess it's the fact that Batman's cool and Hawkeye isn't.

Partially, but I think Batman just had more talented actors playing him and that was the biggest issue for Hawksicles. Also, I realize that they were set in a different time and had a less serious tone, but the Freedom Force games had much more imaginative and interesting costumes. It doesn't have to me all jodhpurs, sombreros and popped collars, but a little more colour would be just dandy.

 

[PsychicTaco115]

Probably because Hawkeye just seems to be a really damn good archer

Batman, on the other hand, is everything else that the internet decides he is

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Hawkeye is a guy who's just really good at archery in a team including a god and an indestructable rage-monster. It's easy to see why people don't like him, especially as in the first film he didn't really have any great scenes (unlike Black Widow who has plenty of badass moments, as well as being Scarlett Johanssen in a god damned catsuit).

Still, I like Hawkeye. Jeremy Renner is pretty decent, and he gets some good lines in AoU.

Batman on the other hand, is basically a huge ball of teenage boy wish-fulfillment, and considering the internet is teeming with teenage boys, the internet loves him.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Because Hawkeye doesn't bring much to the table when there are Gods and radioactive monsters running around.

Movie wise, Dawn of Justice will be the first time in a long time Batman has been in the presence of a physical God, and people have complained about that. And maybe, when we all see the first Justice League that comes out after Dawn of Justice, the internet will be filled with people bitching about how he doesn't bring anything to the table, when Superman, Wonderwoman, and Bad Ass Aquaman are around. But that's a problem for the future. Hawkeye is here now (Or was, anyway. Guess he's done now). And it is a bit silly to have him run around with the Hulk.

 

[Asita]

I guess it's the fact that Batman's cool and Hawkeye isn't.

Partially, but I think Batman just had more talented actors playing him and that was the biggest issue for Hawksicles. Also, I realize that they were set in a different time and had a less serious tone, but the Freedom Force games had much more imaginative and interesting costumes. It doesn't have to me all jodhpurs, sombreros and popped collars, but a little more colour would be just dandy.

I think it's more that the Avengers directors didn't know what to do with him and consequentially regulated him to the 'everyman' role. Think about it for a minute. What are the moments in the MCU where Hawkeye really shined? Offhand, I'd say that his best moments came while he was brainwashed in Avengers 1, and when he was being a family man in Avengers 2. On the whole though? He largely came off to the MCU like Jacob came off in Mass Effect due to the movies downplaying the character's athleticism and versatility (well, outside of the trick arrows), and his comparative lack of screentime compared to the rest of the cast.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I'm more concerned with Fluttershy and Alpharius Omegon.
Did you know there was no record of Fluttershy before she was born?! And as we all know Alpharius and Omegon, being twins, are two separate people. And no one knows if its true Alpharius is actually the most senior of the Primarchs, having never left the Sol system. Meaning that Omegon could have been the one found by Horus. And what did Omegon do before that meeting?! Pretend to be a shy butter-colored Pegasus?!

So could it be that Fluttershy and Omegon are one and the same?!
I'm just asking questions here!

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Because Batman's awesome and he brings awesome villains with him?

 

[JemothSkarii]

I read the title and thought this would be a discussion of the main character from M*A*S*H. Maybe something about how radically different the character was in in the book compared to the show, or whether the movie version was better than the show version.

But no, it's those dang 'Revengers' those kids are talking about these days.

OT: I've only seen the first movie. Don't particularly care about super hero franchises (except Hellblazer, recently got into that). I guess it's because Batman is more fleshed out with his badass-ness than Hawkeye is. Sure, there's been comics of him, but they're vastly different than Joss Whedon Hawkeye. So here (to many viewers) You have this fresh face apple-cheeked guy show up and start doing stuff alongside God of Thunder and Hammer and The Man with the Incredible Pants.

Just give him a few hundred comic books, several TV series and constantly remade standalone movies and people will respect him like Batman. I suppose my backstory and stuff too.

 

[Souplex]

How do the two characters relate? I'm not seeing the connection you're trying to draw.

They're both skilled human characters without any form of superpower who fight alongside people who can bench-press a tank, against foes that can vaporize you with a thought.
The internet seems okay with Bateman doing this, but not Hawkeye.

 

[Zontar]

Personally I dislike both his and Black Widow's presence in the movies because they're taking up Ant Man and Wasp's place on the team, both of whom where originally supposed to be in The Avengers before Ant Man was moved back years due to Iron Man 1's unexpected success.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

Batman excels in most every way, especially in the way he's been handled the past half century, or so.
Poor Hawkeye. I see shelves of his figures. Guy gets no respect. Unfortunately, if we're to take him serious, Marvel has to first.

 

[FalloutJack]

As many of you have surely noticed, the internet seems to object to the presence of Hawkeye in the Avengers films. At the same time, the internet seems to wave the Batman-flag at every opportunity.
What is the reason for this cognitive dissonance?

The funny part is that I know at least three Hawkeyes. One is the one we're talking about, one is from Fullmetal Alchemist, and one is...


...more unhinged.

Anyway, I am not aware of this so-called phenomenon, so I don't know what you're talking about, but if I had to explain Batman... Well, Batman is smarter than most of his super peers, largely because he has to be. This, in turn, has led him to pull off some of the most amazing things, including beating the unbeatable. Hawkeye is the equivalent Green Arrow. Talented, capable, and smart. But...he doesn't freak anybody out just by being in the room.

 

[Albino Boo]

Simple, I'm Hawkeye isn't as much fun to say as I'm Batman

The funny part is that I know at least three Hawkeyes. One is the one we're talking about, one is from Fullmetal Alchemist, and one is...



...more unhinged.

I'll see your 3 Hawkeyes and raise you one, Hawkeye from Last of the Mohicans.

 

[Objectable]

I've been reading the Hawkeye comics, and man, he is like 50 times more interesting than DARKNESS NO PARENTS.

 

[Wintermute_v1legacy]

I don't know much about superheroes, but isn't there like... hundreds of superheroes? Surely they could have cast someone more "powerful" to be part of the whole avengers thing? Like spiderman or one of the x-men, I don't know. I've seen the movie and the dude... shoots arrows. That's about it. In a team where you have a god, a super soldier guy, a robot guy, a huge muscular guy, etc.

 

[WolfThomas]

Because Hawkeye doesn't bring much to the table when there are Gods and radioactive monsters running around.

The thing I don't get, is it's not like the Avengers are saying "Thor you sit this out Hawkeye will handle it", they bring Thor AND Hawkeye. Sometimes you need artillery, sometimes a sniper. If Thor can kill 500 aliens and Hawkeye 25, at the end of the day 525 aliens dead is better than 500 or 25.

People had the same criticism about Cap, presumably why his super-human-ness get more emphasised in Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron.

I don't know much about superheroes, but isn't there like... hundreds of superheroes? Surely they could have cast someone more "powerful" to be part of the whole avengers thing? Like spiderman or one of the x-men, I don't know. I've seen the movie and the dude... shoots arrows. That's about it. In a team where you have a god, a super soldier guy, a robot guy, a huge muscular guy, etc.

In the comics yes. Not in the films. There is a handful of genuine super-powered or equivalent individuals. Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Ironman (and Warmachine), that's about it by that point in the Avengers excluding baddies. As the films and tv-shows progress this is changing, but Hawkeye has already bowed out.

Spider-man, until recently was locked out of the MCU due to movie rights and it's the same thing with the X-men. Different film universe.

As I say above. It's not like they're picking him over someone, they're grabbing everyone they have to fight an Alien invasion.

I won't talk about comic Hawkeye, but essentially he's got years of Avengers experience and his abilities are so good they cross into superhuman feats (there's a complex background reason involving celestials).

I read the title and thought this would be a discussion of the main character from M*A*S*H. Maybe something about how radically different the character was in in the book compared to the show, or whether the movie version was better than the show version.

But no, it's those dang 'Revengers' those kids are talking about these days.

Those kids have been talking dang 'Revengers' for years, in particular Hawkeye considering the comic character Hawkeye pre-dates the book that inspired the film and tv show by 4years.

 

[FalloutJack]

Simple, I'm Hawkeye isn't as much fun to say as I'm Batman

The funny part is that I know at least three Hawkeyes. One is the one we're talking about, one is from Fullmetal Alchemist, and one is...



...more unhinged.

I'll see your 3 Hawkeyes and raise you one, Hawkeye from Last of the Mohicans.

Hawkeye from MASH counts as a Mohican reference. It's where he got his nickname.

 

[vallorn]

I'm more concerned with Fluttershy and Alpharius Omegon.
Did you know there was no record of Fluttershy before she was born?! And as we all know Alpharius and Omegon, being twins, are two separate people. And no one knows if its true Alpharius is actually the most senior of the Primarchs, having never left the Sol system. Meaning that Omegon could have been the one found by Horus. And what did Omegon do before that meeting?! Pretend to be a shy butter-colored Pegasus?!

So could it be that Fluttershy and Omegon are one and the same?!
I'm just asking questions here!

Obviously this means that we need to undertake an exterminatus fact finding ission to those places in order to purge all the heretics find out the truth.

Spoiler: All in the name of The Emperor of course

In terms of the OP, that's because Batman is like Nanomachines or Parasites or ADAM or whatever, He's a walking Deus Ex machine that just fills in the holes in whatever plot DC wants so he's pretty much got something for everyone. On the other hand, Hawkeye in the movies only has three things. Smartass lines in a series with Tony Stark, Athleticism in a series with Captain America and Trick Arrows in a series with... Well I would say Iron Man but I used Stark already so Hulk it is.

Everything Hawkeye does in the movies could be done by another character and probably better than them, hell he doesn't even get to be the "cool super spy" because Black Widow takes all of that pie for herself in the plot (and it does pay off for her and the plot.)