You know even in Minority Report they had evidence through proven psychics before they arrested people for futurecrime. We don''t even have that in this real life case... How sad is that?Eclectic Dreck said:
Hentai Collector Sentenced to Jail Over "Obscene" Material
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Guess she can never get a date with any American if she was so inclined. Otherwise her date would be hauled off to jail as a pedophile.theultimateend said:Don't forget that there is generally no way to pinpoint the age of characters in drawings.Eclectic Dreck said:
Most anime protests that its characters are all over 18.
Technically if the gal on the first page of this thread is pedo then I know at least one Japanese Foreign Exchange student that was at my highschool that is pedo bait at 18 years of age
By the way Uncle-ellis under the laws of the united states what Mr. Handley ordered is not child porn because there are no actual children. This is why he was charged under obscenity laws.
It is pretty perverted
I mean, WHY would you buy something that represented pedophilia and beastiality?! Even if it the act committed on the paper isn't 'real', it's still pretty damn clear what is going on in the pictures, and I fail to understand why he'd buy that stuff in the first place
Meh, disturbing man
I mean, WHY would you buy something that represented pedophilia and beastiality?! Even if it the act committed on the paper isn't 'real', it's still pretty damn clear what is going on in the pictures, and I fail to understand why he'd buy that stuff in the first place
Meh, disturbing man
I'm glad that almost everyone agrees that this is a victimless crime. Personally, I feel that if a law doesn't protect a living being, it's irrelevant.
No children were harmed in the DRAWING of this comic. So long as he's not hurting kids or buying child porn (like, video where children are being sexually exploited) let him read the hentai he wants and don't arrest him for it.
i find it fairly astute. i live in america and i really wish i didnt these days. what was once a fairly decent country is rapidly going down the drain just because they are trying to avoid problems and creating moreTheNumber1Zero said:
I don't think child porni is really all that great but for fuck sake... 15 years in prison for having a sexual preference to look at or drawing fictitious images which in no way affects anybody?
Somebody needs to slap the man again.
What part of what he has done constitutes an actual crime here?
Somebody needs to slap the man again.
What part of what he has done constitutes an actual crime here?
I've heard of people doing worst "crimes" that got a slap on the wrist compared to some of the thinks this guy is "allegedly" being convicted of. This guy sounds dumb and naive, but not some criminally insane pedophile, animal rapist. This will follow him for the rest of his life and there is nothing he will be able to do about it.
shadow skill said:Guess she can never get a date with any American if she was so inclined. Otherwise her date would be hauled off to jail as a pedophile.theultimateend said:Don't forget that there is generally no way to pinpoint the age of characters in drawings.Eclectic Dreck said:
Most anime protests that its characters are all over 18
Technically if the gal on the first page of this thread is pedo then I know at least one Japanese Foreign Exchange student that was at my highschool that is pedo bait at 18 years of age
By the way Uncle-ellis under the laws of the united states what Mr. Handley ordered is not child porn because there are no actual children. This is why he was charged under obscenity laws.
The bottom line is that this case was never fought. The way the article reads to me is that the defendant took a Jury trial. The Prosecutor showed off the more offensive stuff in the guy's collection to offend the Jury, and the Defense Attorney felt that the way the wind was blowing that it would be better to plea bargain. Wanting to establish precedent, and knowing there was no real LEGAL case, the prosecutor gave him what was a major, sweetheart deal.
It's impossible to say much about the actual material, or most details on the case, because very little seems to have actually been done.
I've gone into my thoughts before, so instead of going into this whole thing again, I will simply say that I think this case is wrong largely because the guy bought from a legitimate merchant. Imports are looked at closely, which is why not all websites and stores are able to sell all over the world due to laws and such. If this guy just up and ordered this stuff then apparently the material had not specifically been declared obscene. This makes the case very similar to someone arresting you for buying something from any other store.
When it comes to pedophillia, I have mixed opinions on the subject. If your basically dealing with what amounts to teen on teen sex, that's no big thing. While contreversial, as I've said before I'm a proponent of improved sex ed in high school, and the distribution of free birth control. That's part of growing up. Some teen sex romp comic or game is nothing but a more graphic version of "Porky's" or "American Pie". Even if they bring out sex toys and such it's really not a big deal.
When it comes to fantasy, involving superbeings, demons, aliens, and other things it's so far detached from reality that I don't see an issue. Laws exist to deal with reality. In my opinion if you've got a character who can hold the weight of the universe on their shoulders then as far as I'm concerned they can be sexually treated like an adult. A good example of this would be say "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" which showed on TV. Buffy was like 15 or 16 when she had sex with Angel (who was physically like 30 and actually centuries old), nobody batted an eye for the reasons I'm pointing out. What? Is someone going to kick my door down now because I own every season of the show on DVD?
Horror can be a touchy subject, but again in such cases the idea of having a child raped, or molested by demons or whatever is supposed to be shocking and horrorific. If it gets a "WTF, that is evil and wrong" reaction, then it's doing it's job. That's what horror is all about. It's rated "R" or "M" specifically because it caters to a specific audience that is out to be shocked and can seperate the fantasy from reality.
I will also go so far as to say again, that I generally feel that it's okay to be attracted to teens. I mean heck, the term "Jailbait" exists for a reason. Rolling Stone had a giant "she's legal" announcement for Brittney Spears for a reason. I think people who deny this impulse are just fooling themselves, and creating problems. The thing is though that just because it's there does not make it right, this is why laws exist. We are not animals and can control ourselves. If you have an adult chasing around teen jail bait, he/she can do a lot of damage which is why it's illegal and should remain so for good reason IRL. The problem with a teen-chaser is a self control issue, and a dangerous one that needs to be dealt with.
Now people who chase PRESEXUAL humans are something else entirely, and deranged predators that need to be dealt with harshly. Outside of horror and attempts to shock I don't really see much excuse for sexual activity from like 9 year olds who don't even understand the concept and aren't even physically developed that way.
Basically, the only thing I'd really go after when it comes to comics is like adult / pre-teen sex without any kind of fantasy backdrop at all. Something like "Aqualung: the comic series" would be pretty much propaganda for monsters.
Anyone who enjoys playing gta4 should be monitored, as they are sick murderous perverts who will Definitely run over a hooker to get floating stacks of cash, right? I don't agree with his choices, but you tolerate them so when the Extremists get in power, they dont already have a system for banning materials that might make you kill people, like VIDEOGAMES.Therumancer said:shadow skill said:Guess she can never get a date with any American if she was so inclined. Otherwise her date would be hauled off to jail as a pedophile.theultimateend said:Don't forget that there is generally no way to pinpoint the age of characters in drawings.Eclectic Dreck said:
Most anime protests that its characters are all over 18
Technically if the gal on the first page of this thread is pedo then I know at least one Japanese Foreign Exchange student that was at my highschool that is pedo bait at 18 years of age
By the way Uncle-ellis under the laws of the united states what Mr. Handley ordered is not child porn because there are no actual children. This is why he was charged under obscenity laws.
The bottom line is that this case was never fought. The way the article reads to me is that the defendant took a Jury trial. The Prosecutor showed off the more offensive stuff in the guy's collection to offend the Jury, and the Defense Attorney felt that the way the wind was blowing that it would be better to plea bargain. Wanting to establish precedent, and knowing there was no real LEGAL case, the prosecutor gave him what was a major, sweetheart deal.
It's impossible to say much about the actual material, or most details on the case, because very little seems to have actually been done.
I've gone into my thoughts before, so instead of going into this whole thing again, I will simply say that I think this case is wrong largely because the guy bought from a legitimate merchant. Imports are looked at closely, which is why not all websites and stores are able to sell all over the world due to laws and such. If this guy just up and ordered this stuff then apparently the material had not specifically been declared obscene. This makes the case very similar to someone arresting you for buying something from any other store.
When it comes to pedophillia, I have mixed opinions on the subject. If your basically dealing with what amounts to teen on teen sex, that's no big thing. While contreversial, as I've said before I'm a proponent of improved sex ed in high school, and the distribution of free birth control. That's part of growing up. Some teen sex romp comic or game is nothing but a more graphic version of "Porky's" or "American Pie". Even if they bring out sex toys and such it's really not a big deal.
When it comes to fantasy, involving superbeings, demons, aliens, and other things it's so far detached from reality that I don't see an issue. Laws exist to deal with reality. In my opinion if you've got a character who can hold the weight of the universe on their shoulders then as far as I'm concerned they can be sexually treated like an adult. A good example of this would be say "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" which showed on TV. Buffy was like 15 or 16 when she had sex with Angel (who was physically like 30 and actually centuries old), nobody batted an eye for the reasons I'm pointing out. What? Is someone going to kick my door down now because I own every season of the show on DVD?
Horror can be a touchy subject, but again in such cases the idea of having a child raped, or molested by demons or whatever is supposed to be shocking and horrorific. If it gets a "WTF, that is evil and wrong" reaction, then it's doing it's job. That's what horror is all about. It's rated "R" or "M" specifically because it caters to a specific audience that is out to be shocked and can seperate the fantasy from reality.
I will also go so far as to say again, that I generally feel that it's okay to be attracted to teens. I mean heck, the term "Jailbait" exists for a reason. Rolling Stone had a giant "she's legal" announcement for Brittney Spears for a reason. I think people who deny this impulse are just fooling themselves, and creating problems. The thing is though that just because it's there does not make it right, this is why laws exist. We are not animals and can control ourselves. If you have an adult chasing around teen jail bait, he/she can do a lot of damage which is why it's illegal and should remain so for good reason IRL. The problem with a teen-chaser is a self control issue, and a dangerous one that needs to be dealt with.
Now people who chase PRESEXUAL humans are something else entirely, and deranged predators that need to be dealt with harshly. Outside of horror and attempts to shock I don't really see much excuse for sexual activity from like 9 year olds who don't even understand the concept and aren't even physically developed that way.
Basically, the only thing I'd really go after when it comes to comics is like adult / pre-teen sex without any kind of fantasy backdrop at all. Something like "Aqualung: the comic series" would be pretty much propaganda for monsters.
Australia's already fighting the banning of content due to moral feelings. (R18 games)
If it wasn't unconstitutional, do you think NO ONE would have tried to ban certain games for the same reasons they got this guy? (Perverse, "Illegal", sign of mental illness)
If this starts to fly, you can bet they will expand the criteria for thought-crimes, which is what this is.
Using the 'outraged-christian' logic that is used to argue against video games, this is definitive proof that the bible makes people paedophiles.
*facepalm* Really? the gov has to stop with this stuff. he's not hurting anyone.
Not to mentiation there is no legal way to say a fictonal charecter is a certian age.
Not to mentiation there is no legal way to say a fictonal charecter is a certian age.
They both depict children having sex.theultimateend said:
Why would I think comics and stuff about children being dissected alive is Ok when I'm against comics/animé of children having sex?theultimateend said:
I never said anything about the law, I just said that I find it hard to sympathise with someone who gets of on little kids.Eclectic Dreck said:
Where's his actual child porn then? I mean, one would assume if he gets off on little kids, he would have some real child porn - and be prosecuted for that. Seems odd that it's not been mentioned.uncle-ellis said:
I've got a copy of Lolita on my bookshelf which features paedophilia as well, should I burn that?
The law has everything to do with why people are defending him. This isn't about what we think of his or your fetishes. The man was brought up on charges that are arguably unconstitutional because the metrics used to determine guilt are entirely subjective as opposed to objective. Secondly even if there was an objective metric, no real human beings were harmed in any way because his thoughts have not become action as far as anyone can tell. He was being accused of "crimethink."uncle-ellis said: