Hentai Collector Sentenced to Jail Over "Obscene" Material

[tahrey]

just as a subversive idea ... how about everyone scrawls a single, terrible-as-you-like sketch of, eh, "this kind of thing" (like I'm even going to risk a textual description?) and anonymously mails it to the Iowa judiciary? Then call in the cops and say that the very court that convicted him is getting a mass delivery of "obscene material" and needs to be shut down for investigation...

what's next ... thought crimes ... banning books?

if it were photos of actual child or animal abuse, then it would be something different. this is arrest on the basis of an -idea- ...

how can you be convicted for something you may well have drawn yourself on the back of an envelope? is the very possession of a perversion, even one that you don't act on, a criminal offense now? because we're all probably guilty in that case.

 

[Cyberjester]

Better burn all those videogames before they get you for obscene material representing murder.

Last post here, just your first point. The rest is snipped but irrelevant.

I was browsing the internet late last year, Nov/Dec. And I came across this web site created by people who were saying the Chinese government was corrupt, evil and generally hates kittens.

They had pictures of people troops had come in, beaten, then executed and thrown in a field.

Bullet to the head, I'm talking missing side of the face, top of the skull blown off, gaping wounds. Bullets to the chest, so you can see organs. All of it real. Then I found another site, TheNYC or something. Videos of people having been ran over, fallen off of motorbikes at high speed, stabbed, shot.

I didn't even fucking blink. I am so desentised to violence that I can yell STAB HIM! STAB HIM! Why are you trying to shoot him? He's that close, just stab him" in a video game and not think about it.

I should not be like that. It is a dangerous place to be when you no longer see violence as bad, but just.. There. Common. Who cares.

There was a quote in a video game once, or somewhere else. I don't know.

"The first time you see someone shanked in the showers, you puke. The next time you feel queasy and walk around the body. After a while, you just step over them and keep walking".

The material you are around affects you deeply, you just don't realise it at the time. All the violent video games, movies, news.. I've seen news footage where there's a soldier aiming his rifle, for no reason at all he ducks back, half a second later a rocket hits where he was from behind and takes out the concrete house.

I open Chronicles of Riddick, sneak through a ventilation shaft behind someone, then pull out a shotgun, and shoot people. Or walk up to them and stab them.

All that, and Chronicles of Riddick is quite fun by the way, has now turned me into what I'd best describe as a monster. Unfeeling even when presented with extreme violence. I'm so fucking jaded I need a shrink and didn't even know it.


I'm going to take a wild bet, and say that if you looked at comics depicting children being raped, or just having sex. Then after a while you would no longer find it bad. And a while after that, you'd see no problems with seeing others do it. Little bit later, you could do it yourself and not care in the slightest. I'm not willing to test this theory because I'd like to refrain from becoming more messed up than I already am. But if violence can seep in like that, then so can loli.

 

[subfield]

Only in America, guys.

So now if I draw something the government doesn't like on a piece of paper, I go to jail?

When I hear stuff like this, I wonder: does this really represent the will of the people?

If it does, then let me ask those of you who agree with this ruling the following: if I draw something on a piece of paper you don't like for whatever reason, do you think I should go to jail for it? Is my sentence lighter if I graffiti it on the wall? Is my sentence longer if I paint it, instead of drawing it? Should I go to a maximum security jail in the case where I put sticks together on the ground to represent whatever I'm drawing? When is medium security appropriate: if I draw it in the sand in on the beach or when I scratch it into a desk at university? Should I be in jail for 5 years, or 3 years when I put up a poster in my own house of it; or should it be some other length of time?

You might say: Oh you are exaggerating! Hilarious thing is: I'm not.

 

[Mechsoap]

From a drawing point its only lines connected to each other forming an illusion that looks like that we were trying to represent.

 

[Grimrider6]

I'm going to take a wild bet, and say that if you looked at comics depicting children being raped, or just having sex. Then after a while you would no longer find it bad. And a while after that, you'd see no problems with seeing others do it. Little bit later, you could do it yourself and not care in the slightest. I'm not willing to test this theory because I'd like to refrain from becoming more messed up than I already am. But if violence can seep in like that, then so can loli.

Even having played Riddick as many times as you have, I'm going to guess you still won't kill anybody IRL. That's because you have the ability to separate fantasy from fiction. Being desensitized to /fantasy/ violence doesn't mean you're a psychotic murderer outside the game. I'm sure we can extend the same line of reasoning to loli.

 

[The Human Torch]

This thread is almost a year old? Let it die.

 

[Cyberjester]

I'm going to take a wild bet, and say that if you looked at comics depicting children being raped, or just having sex. Then after a while you would no longer find it bad. And a while after that, you'd see no problems with seeing others do it. Little bit later, you could do it yourself and not care in the slightest. I'm not willing to test this theory because I'd like to refrain from becoming more messed up than I already am. But if violence can seep in like that, then so can loli.

Even having played Riddick as many times as you have, I'm going to guess you still won't kill anybody IRL. That's because you have the ability to separate fantasy from fiction. Being desensitized to /fantasy/ violence doesn't mean you're a psychotic murderer outside the game. I'm sure we can extend the same line of reasoning to loli.

Only played it once and didn't even finish, one point was just annoying.

No, I'm not likely to go out and kill anyone. But I'm still desensitized enough to be ok with violence in real life. If it was a video game showing bits and pieces of people it wouldn't be an issue. It's photos of real people that I'm ok with and I shouldn't be. If we apply the same line of reasoning to loli, then at some point the difference between "lines on a page" and the real thing won't be there. So the real thing will be ok to this person as well as the drawings.

The point you missed was that fantasy desensitized me to reality. If that's the case then it can do it with loli.

Or to put it another way, I'm 22 and don't see anything wrong with violence murder, gore and death. Still a long while left for any other effects of that to manifest.

EDIT:

So many spelling mistakes that.. 'sighs' Pathetic. Bed time

 

[James Raynor]

Slow day at the office I'm guessing.

 

[supermariner]

now maybe the stuff he was into was extreme and too hardcore for (probably) all of us
but none of it was real
it was just pictures. not even pictures of real people, drawings.

he has (in my mind, clearly not legally) the perfect right to be into whatever he wants
so long as that doesn't interfere with the happiness of others
and that hasn't been the case at all

i'm not wishing to suggest the American Government are in the wrong on this one
but they sure as shit cannot justify this

 

[Cyberjester]

now maybe the stuff he was into was extreme and too hardcore for (probably) all of us
but none of it was real
it was just pictures. not even pictures of real people, drawings.

he has (in my mind, clearly not legally) the perfect right to be into whatever he wants
so long as that doesn't interfere with the happiness of others
and that hasn't been the case at all

i'm not wishing to suggest the American Government are in the wrong on this one
but they sure as shit cannot justify this

Yea they can, loli was made illegal years ago. All the anime websites had links to hentai, and all the links went down because it became illegal for them to host it, distribute it, for people to download it, etc.

If they'd just brought the law in they wouldn't be able to, not with the mindset you people have. But because it was made illegal, they can do exactly what they did. They also keep tabs on loli sites, anyone visiting them will have feds turn up on their doorstep. It's all in the legal documents.

It's like someone getting busted for growing and selling marijuana plants in a state where it's illegal to do so. You may think it's totally awesome, the government however passed a law stating you can't do that. So the police and courts now have an obligation to uphold that law.

 

[supermariner]

i completely understand that
and i take your point

BUT my argument is that the stuff shouldn't be illegal in the first place
i know they CAN do that, but SHOULD they?
i know morality is subjective and all this sort of stuff
and in the end it's the law that matters as the set-in-stone, rules of state
but i'm expressing that personally i don't think this particular law works fairly
which may not be what America is all about.

and you are right, at the end of the day the law is the law
and this guy broke the law
my disagreement with the situation is from my own moral standpoint

 

[MagicMouse]

Spoiler: snip

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This made me fucking rage.

This person was harming no one. He was a productive member of society and his community. They have Destroyed his entire life and future and for what, some comics?

Not only are they locking him up to protect themselves from what they don't understand, but they are forcing him to undergo "treatment" simply for being different.

It is a good thing that our Justice system actually got something fucking right when they made the jury anonymous, because if I met one of them in real life I don't think I would be able to control myself. I will no longer use the term "we" when referring to the American Govt., I can't be part of this system anymore.

But I'm pretty sure I am preaching to the choir here for the most part.

/rant

For being different?

I like using an extreme comment to prove a point. There's a Latin term for it, reductio ad absurdum I think it is. So don't take offense at this, rather try and see what I mean.

You dislike what the justice system did because this person is "different".

Say I liked knives, which I do actually. I like shiny things, I like ninjas. 'shrugs' Never touch one though.

But what if I liked to take dogs out the back and make an incision along the stomach area with a scapel, remove a lung, sew it up then touch the dog with an electric prod to make it move.

Would I be considered different or horribly messed up?

I think a comic did it actually. Everything that has been said.. Is a Shakespeare quote and also is in a web comic.

http://machall.com/view.php?date=2001-07-10

If the dog thing is considered messed up, why is having sex with people so young they don't even understand what the word means not? And there is no difference between taking a photo of it and drawing it up.

Although tell me if I'm just different and deserve as many people raging on my behalf.
/sarcasm
Also any pets you may have, if you know their name it's easier to get them to come to you, saves walking.
/end sarcasm"

If no one (that includes dogs) gets hurt then I don't care.

Also there is a huge difference between a photo and a drawing, if you don't realize this then there is no point in conversing with you.

 

[nin_ninja]

Their is hentai (anime style porn) and than screwed up shit like this. Drawn porn I can understand, but drawn porn depicting children is what gives the Japanese a bad rap.

 

[Syntax Man]

Lines on paper equals prison time and irrevocable life ruining.


America never changes.

 

[Grimrider6]

If we apply the same line of reasoning to loli, then at some point the difference between "lines on a page" and the real thing won't be there. So the real thing will be ok to this person as well as the drawings.

The point you missed was that fantasy desensitized me to reality. If that's the case then it can do it with loli.

I realize I'm taking a hard-line literal view of the law here, but being desensitized to a crime isn't, in itself, a crime. Not being horrified by dismembered human remains might be ghoulish and disturbing, but it's not sufficient grounds to be criminal. The law should punish actions, not thoughts.

I maintain that, no matter how desensitized a person gets to the thought of an act, nothing short of diagnosable mental illness will render them incapable of understanding the difference between thinking about it and actually doing it (or abetting it). Slippery Slope is a fallacy if you can't prove every premise along the way.

 

[Rpground]

this is just stupid,its all drawn characters! i dont care if their loli or not! these characters are not real,they dont even depict real people/children. they are all made up and non-existent. why is the government so worried about this? there are far far FAR worse things happening as i type this,REAL children getting raped,killed,or beaten.but thats not taken care of. animals are also getting beaten,or SKINNED ALIVE AND LEFT FOR DEAD!!! but nothing is done about that...but the guy that is importing some loli manga cause he has a fetish of such,BRING DOWN THE HAMMER,THROW THIS GUY IN JAIL! people have stranger much for disgusting fetishes then this...some get off to people getting chopped up like a Christmas ham...or people pooping all over themselves...THEN EATING IT! Dx yet nothing is done about THAT...the justice system needs a complete overhaul.rework our laws,rework the face that people can go to jail with proof that the couldnt have done said crime and still go to jail cause this 1 guy says he did,and finally rework and REMEMBER what is REAL and what is FANTASY!! there is a HUGE difference! this is why i hate how most countries work,they just dont know how to take care of the REAL problems and just go after the little guys...thats why when i get my first chance in ditching Canada and moving somewhere good...like the UK or something...though i should really do research first before i do anything,lol. anything has got to be better then Canada...or the US...

 

[Rpground]

Their is hentai (anime style porn) and than screwed up shit like this. Drawn porn I can understand, but drawn porn depicting children is what gives the Japanese a bad rap.

ya know...its not JUST the Japanese that draws this stuff,MANY Americans draw this stuff too...but yet most people just point the finger to Japan. i just hope you know that...

 

[nin_ninja]

Their is hentai (anime style porn) and than screwed up shit like this. Drawn porn I can understand, but drawn porn depicting children is what gives the Japanese a bad rap.

ya know...its not JUST the Japanese that draws this stuff,MANY Americans draw this stuff too...but yet most people just point the finger to Japan. i just hope you know that...

I know, and it pisses me off that the Japanese get flak for that too. Give the blame to those responsible guys! Don't just blame Japan because they're "weird".

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Haha. In the eyes of 'justice' all is evil, wether it is or isn't! Protect the children, kill the adults! Oh, my. This just makes me feel so depressed that this is what we call a legal system.

Destroying a mans life for being a pervert? Best lock up 99.9% of humanity. Seriously, this is just as stupid as arresting a person for playing Mad World and accusing him of 'murder' and saddistic intentions.