Heroes you yelled "YOU IDIOT!" at.

[tmande2nd]

Every single last freaking time, a "hero" says: "IF YOU KILL HIM YOU WILL BE JUST LIKE HIM!"

No just no.
Killing the man who killed an entire city, or building, or your family, does not make you as bad as them.
Its nothing more than angsty moralizing that means nothing.

Mostly since it happened in my D/D game that ended my Paladin career.

I had a disgusting slaver at my mercy who was a complete monster.
So I gutted him before he could get help from the VERY corrupt court.

DM: "YOU FALL FROM BEING A PALADIN YOU LOSE ALL YOUR POWERS REPENT NOW!!!!!!!"
Me: "What the hell?"

He then lectured me over how my paladin was just as bad as the slaver for having killed him when he begged for mercy.
No...just NO. My Paladin struck down ONE bad guy, he never tortured, kidnapped, enslaved, or whatever else that dude did. Killing a MONSTER does not ever turn you into a monster.

Then again that dude was probably just pissy that I killed a villain he wanted to use for the long haul.

 

[kortin]

whoa really? I kinda liked the guy, but yeah I recall a few 'facepalms' during my playthrough. Still, he gets the girl so what's the problem? xD

Never said I didn't like him, just that he was a complete dumbass and said the wrong things a lot.

 

[PortalThinker113]

I gotta say, all of you people who keep saying Batman is an idiot for not killing the Joker REALLY need to reevaluate your thoughts on the character. Batman could very easily become the very monsters he's constantly fighting. He's AWARE of this, and so is constantly trying to avoid anything that could tempt him down the slope.

No, the REAL idiots here is the Gotham Court system. They've seen what Batman's regulars do, and yet they just keep sending them to Arkham rather than the zappy chairs. Seriously, what kind of lawyers do those nutjobs HAVE!?

Totally agree with this. I seem to recall a particular "What if" story where Batman becomes a vampire for some reason. I don't really remember the specifics, but Batman spends most of the series desperately trying to stop himself from killing to quench his thirst. He holds out for a while, but then finally breaks, killing and feeding on one of his villains. With his code broken and the first life taken, he then proceeds to messily kill and devour almost every single one of his villains, then moves on to non-villainous types.

Sure, the vampire angle is silly, but the moral of the story is that Batman is a rather unstable guy. He NEVER wants to take a life because he doesn't want the action of taking a human life to become easier or to seem reasonable. Once he makes his first kill, it could potentially become easier and easier to justify killing, even when there is actually much less reason. His parents' deaths made him acutely aware of the importance of human life, so he will not be the one to begin such potentially unnecessary killing.

Also, it is totally not his job to personally kill the Joker. You'd think that the Gotham Courts would be able to sanction the death penalty for him at this point... THEY are the idiots here.

OP: Lots of great examples have already been taken. Robb Stark, Eragon, Neville from I Am Legend... I can't think of a really good one right now, but I'll keep thinking.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Would it count to yell at Lawrence and call him a fucking moron when in Season 2

Spoiler: spoilers for Spice & Wolf season 2

Holo learns that her homeland was destroyed and asked Lawrence to make love to her

?

Because he REALLY was a fucking MORON there!

Sounds fun in theory, but having sex with her there and then would've been taking advantage of her extremely distressed state at the time.

Looking back I know that. When I first saw the scene, that was my reaction.

 

[Texas Joker 52]

Any hero from a movie where the moral is "be careful what you wish for." Well. only movies that happen to be recent. We've seen these types of stories hundreds of times and the moral has become so ingrained in the culture that I just cringed every time I heard Merida from Brave ask to "change my fate."
Would it kill any of these heroes to be more specific?
"I wish I could go back to my roots." Tree.
"I want to be the greatest ruler of the world." Giant ruler.
"I wish for a turkey sandwich, on rye bread, with lettuce and mustard, and, and I don't want any zombie turkeys, I don't want to turn into a turkey myself, and I don't want any other weird surprises." The turkey was dry.

Personally, I see that as the moral to ANYTHING that involves deals with anyone shady. Like, say, in Pirates of the Caribbean. Really, making a deal with a pirate should have two key factors: You keep your demands specific so that, if they do honor their deals at all, that they don't have any loopholes to wiggle out of, and you keep any information you give them as vague as possible, so they get little to nothing.

... I swear, after seeing the first movie just once, anytime I see it again, I groan at both Elizabeths and Wills overly general deals, which end up backfiring spectacularly over them. Hell, Jack isn't immune either, even though hes a pirate himself and should know better.

But I digress. I have moments like that, but none, other than the ones I mentioned above, though I don't count either Will or Elizabeth as much in the way of Heroes, and Jack is more of an Anti-Hero than anything else.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Any character in any skateboarding game ever.

GET A REAL JOB.

 

[mirasiel]

Commander Shepard/Garrus/Liara for not shooting the fucking emo-wannabe-cyber-ninja-gary-stu Kai Leng in the fucking face as he stands around giving you a message from the illusive man..

HE MURDERED YOUR BUDDY/LOVER THANE...SHOOT HIM IN THE FUCKING FACE...GARRUS SCOPE AND DROP THIS WORTHLESS SHITSTAIN OF A CHARACTER!

This is literally what me and my partner where screaming at the screen during that cutscene on Thessia, shoot the fucking prick in the face...and then shoot him 3 more times when he's on the ground.

And its part of the reason why I think ME3 is a bad game.

/edit Bear in mind this little convo goes on for about 5 minutes or so with everyones guns trained on him and then everyone decides that he's an ok fellow...stops pointing guns at him and he betrays you in a completely unstoppable/uninterruptable way which basically leads to your whole time on Thessia being a pointless waste of time that got a lot of Asari troops killed and weakened their defences for no gain..

Fuck Mass Effect 3, really just fuck it.

I can top it:

In the first game, Sheppard is trying to track down one of Saren's Agents and it leads him to a frozen world used for freelance research. In order to get to her lab however he needs to acquire a garage access pass and he just kinda goes with it...

Okay...

Dude, you have the authority to kill anyone here if you want, you're a god damn spectre! Why are you going along with their bullshit?! You could just tell the garage guard guy that you're a spectre and that if he doesn't let you through you'll cap him!

I think you can try that and the guard just doesn't believe there are human spectres. You'd think the council would give you *something* to prove who you are, I'm thinking like the Inquisitors rosette from Warhammer 40k...the kind of thing that makes planetary governors piss themselves if you hand it to them.

 

[Padwolf]

Robb Stark from A Song of Fire and Ice. I disagreed with some decisions he made.
Vincent from the game Catherine. Just damnit Vincent, I wanted to like him, but I ended up hating him. If only he would string words together and make a sentence!

 

[4thhokage528]

okay thanks for the advice Gabanuka
.personally i never liked captain america even in the comics.I can see where your coming from in the whole batman being selfish and i no this sounds like bull but i think deep down hes scared of killing the joker.Hes scared that if he kills the joker he will go out of contol and start killing all of his enemies which he does not want to do also he only kills when its absolutely neccesary maybe he still thinks the joker can be saved.Theres alot of theories.But thnk about this if the joker dies that means the greatest batman villian will be dead.IN my opinion if joker dies batman will become less interesting because lets face it the joker is awesome.

 

[4thhokage528]

okay thanks for the advice.personally i never liked captain america even in the comics.I can see where your coming from in the whole batman being selfish and i no this sounds like bull but i think deep down hes scared of killing the joker.Hes scared that if he kills the joker he will go out of contol and start killing all of his enemies whsaved.Theres alot of theories.But thnk about this if the joker dies that means the greatest batman villian will be dead.IN my opinion if joker dies batman will become less interesting because lets face it the joker is awesome.ich he does not want to do also he only kills when its absolutely neccesary maybe he still thinks the joker can be

 

[Crazycat690]

That annoying kid from The Walking Dead TV show, anyone who's seen an episode knows this far too well.

Then also Fawkes if he's with you at the end of Fallout 3. Goddamn.

The kid in the second "Mummy" movie.

Zeke in InFamous 1.

And countless superiors in wargames who always end up being wrong because they're too stubborn and stuck in their ways. Seriously, flawed characters makes stories great, but when they're dumb as shit it breaks any immersion and make the story more annoying.

 

[Cpu46]

Frodo. He should not have been the ring bearer.

FUCKIN' A. What a goddamn wuss. And then Sam was there for the entire trilogy saying, "here Frodo, take my food, take my water, let me carry you..."

Yeah, I wonder who REALLY should've carried the fucking thing.

Who would you rather have corrupted. Wimpy little Frodo or Sam "Mother F**king Badass" Gamgee. Honestly I think half the reason that Frodo was chosen as the ring bearer was that the other three hobbits would have used the ring to march straight into Mordor and kick Sauron's ass out and then proceed to rule the universe.

OT: Sephiroth in Crisis Core, Angeal and Genisis count too but mostly Sephiroth.

Him: "Oh no I just discovered that I am born of some monster that tried to destroy the world"
Me: ... Ok this changes what about your life so far?
Him: "TIME TO TURN EVIL AND KILL ALL MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES"
Me: Well that escalated quickly...

Actually anyone who changes alignment after the discover they aren't human makes me rage.

 

[Ursus Buckler]

Arthur Kipps from A Woman In Black. That house looks like Satan's holiday home. You could NEVER get me in that house. Nor would I EVER spend the night there. I would have got another fucking job if that shit started happening around me. Then again, I have a problem with protagonists in the horror genre in general, y'know, the 'I-know-I'll-back-down-into-the-basement-with-only-a-candle' kind of bollocks that really make me stop giving a shit about them because they seem unable to act like a rational human being.
But hey ho, if I was the protagonist of a horror movie, it would be an incredibly boring one.

 

[doodger]

while the hero of the game of throne is really cool (Ed stark), he is bound by a 20 ton ball of honor in a setting where you need to thwarth 50 murders before breakfast, and as a result gets owned a lot of times.

 

[A Weary Exile]

Basically what I did while reading/ watching Twilight and reading the first three chapters of 50 Shades of Grey. Why do I torture myself?

I went "You fucking idiot" when Robb Stark married Jeyne. Seriously, screw your honour. That's what got poppa Stark killed.

Mako from Legend of Korra. Fuck off Mako. Just... fuck off.

Totally agreed on the last two.

Spoiler: Speaking of ASoIaF (Clash of Kings spoiler)

Stannis isn't much of a hero, but he would have been a much better ruler than Joffery or the Lannisters. What I don't understand is what seems to be his complete inability to understand how to operate a military campaign. He should have pursued the forces of Highgarden, bringing them into his own forces or destroying them, then met Tywin in the field (BEFORE he could hook up with Mace Tyrell) if he was able to best Tywin then he should have went for King's Landing. Without a force at his rear to worry him he could have put the city under siege and starved it out easily, the populace was already starving and angry at the Lannisters.

 

[Reiterpallasch]

When the villain is holding a hostage with a gun pointed to his head and tells the hero to drop his gun. And the hero doesn't SHOOT HIM IN THE FUCKING HEAD! Bonus dumb points when the villain is holding only a knife.

Because chances are you'd end up shooting the hostage instead (hostage/villain shifts, unsteady hand, natural bullet spread, etc.). Even if your shot hits the mark, it may not drop him immediately, giving him time to kill the hostage. And finally, even if both you shoot him and he dies, the villain's body will likely jerk and pull the trigger/yank the knife, ending in a dead hostage.

The best chance in such an instance for the hostage's survival is to talk the bad guy down or put him in a position where he couldn't immediately execute the hostage.

 

[theultimateend]

Every Jedi in the Star Wars prequels. Every one.

That is so spot on.

This is the only answer I can think of that deafens me from the vast emptiness of my memory.

Where am I?

Most heroes seem to do at least one really retarded thing
From recent memory: Ezio sparring Rodrigo Borgia in Assassins Creed 2. I figured he wouldn?t die since Rodrigo Borgia was a real person and didn't die in that year but I had hoped he would escape or something not have Ezio all of a sudden start having issues with killing his enemies. ?killing you won?t bring my family back.? really Ezio? Really? It?s not even about your family anymore. You should be killing him because he is a templar and a threat.

Ezio wanted Borgia to live as a type of cruel mercy on his part. The man had wanted to open the Vault and become the prophet that would be able to go in there and awaken what he thought was the power of God. The thing is that the vault did not open for Borgia, but it did for Ezio. Ezio thought it would be a crueler punishment letting Borgia waste away in despair knowing that his dreams of ultimate power were forever out of reach and that he was defeated by a member of the Assassin's Order, living with his dreams crushed seemed like a greater punishment than simply letting him die.

Borgia actually leaves Ezio alone from then on having his spirit crushed from his defeat, it is actually his son that fucks around with Ezio despite him warning his son not to do so. Borgia was no longer a threat to Ezio after that.

One of the only times in Video games where that actually happened.

I was surprised.

Batman, so you cought Joker once gain after he killed a bunch of people again, now lock him up until the next time and repeat. Or any comic book hero who thinks that letting a homicidal maniac live is a good idea, even after 5th time he escapes and does the same shit that he always does. Probably the reason i was never interested in comics.

Gonna have to go with Batman. I do respect him and really like the character as well as the movies that he's in but...for fuck's sake KILL THE JOKER! Are you really willing to let him kill hundreds and hundreds of people just so you can keep your little moral code? Would the Joker's five seconds of satisfaction really be that bad? And being forces to kill that guy isn't going to turn you into that physcopathic Primarch with the vigilant phase from 40k.

If the Joker needs to die so badly, why is it officially Batman's duty to do it? Surely it's the fault of the legal system for not executing him. I never got how anyone in the DC universe could blame him for not killing someone when he always leaves them captured and, quite frankly, easy to kill. You might as well blame the first police officer on the scene for not shooting the Joker while he's tied up.

I mean, don't get me wrong, the Joker needs to die. But you can see why someone wouldn't be very keen on crossing the line between letting the courts still decide what to do with a criminal and just deciding what needs to be done themselves.

Uh...the whole point is that Batman and the Joker are fascinated with one another. Each thinks they can change the other and each cannot understand the other.

That's the entire point...

The Joker actually gets shot in the head by batman at one point by accident (I only read the comic after the shot to the head so I don't know what happened).

The joker flips, "YOU SHOT ME IN THE HEAD?!"

Spoiler: I think it was this comic he shot him in the head.

They have an agreement of sorts. The Joker is the manifestation of Batman's weaknesses and the Batman is the manifestation of the Joker's. Each cannot live without the other, they are effectively married.

Batman comes very close to murdering the joke at least a half dozen times.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

In Dragon Ball Z, I tend to see the main characters (which are also the strongest warriors in the universe) allow their opponents to be given a chance to become stronger, receive a handicap, or the main characters will simply not fight at full strength for the sake of prolonging a fight. These bone headed maneuvers have almost always come with serious consequences in which the characters do or do not feel remorseful for their poor lack of judgment.

But so long as they can still fight, it will all work out. I swear that half of all the fights would have ended sooner if all the fighters were like Trunks and just took care of business.

 

[undeadexistentialist]

After wracking my brains, I came up with one that hasn't been mentioned yet, though it's a game; James Heller in Prototype 2 when that scientist guy (whose name has escaped me) betrays him, and he works it out and gives the guy an angry phone call and then chases him down to kill him.

1. You're going to be a lot more successful if you don't GIVE YOUR ENEMIES WARNING before you hunt them down, moron
2. As long as he thinks you're still not wise to him you can pull a reversal and start taking advantage of him (presuming you're smart enough, so James Heller might actually be on to something there)
But last, and biggest of all,
let's stop and think about how he betrayed you, shall we? He gave you advance warning of the supersoldiers which could've been a really fucking nasty surprise for you later on, and gave you a location of one their large laboratories to smash up. He sent you to at least two more of their heavily defended bases, not only allowing you to at least heavily damage their organisation, not to mention giving you some more victims to absorb giving you more powers. Yes, ok, he betrayed you, you're upset, I get that. But if you take ONE SECOND to think about it critically, you'll realise that EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT he made to kill you MADE YOU STRONGER. What, exactly, is the practical result of his horrible, horrible lies? Damage to the corporation trying to kill you, advance warning of one of their greatest weapons and some extra powers.

With all due respect, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SO PISSED ABOUT, MORON!?!?!?

 

[katsabas]

Van Guard Shepard on Insanity in Mass Effect 3. They really knocked it out of the park with this class but there were times where he would just stand there AND NOT CHARGE! WHILE I WAS FRENETICALLY PRESSING TRIANGLE! People yell at the endings, I yell at the technical issues.