#HetrosexualPrideDay
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Who the fuck cares? Why do people have to need something for them to have anything? Why do we even need holidays in general?Phasmal said:
People who really give this much of a shit abotu this are the same as the people who wanted to make this as an aggressive reaction to gay pride - They make it all about themselves. This has nothing to do with you ("you" is meant in a general sense) or me.
With respect, that's your opinion. Not all straight people feel the same way. Possibly having a day to say 'no, not EVERY part of cutting-edge culture hates your guts' might be a good thing.Phasmal said:
I wasn't aware that a celebration of identity required justification. And that doesn't answer the basic question of 'Why not?'
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I like the way you think, especially if proof presents itself.. Props to you, THM.THM said:
Mind you, considering the timing of being just about 1 or 2 weeks after the shooting in Orlando, I wouldn't exactly be surprised if this hashtag was created by somebody on 4chan who just wanted to piss people off, like they did with the black guy in star wars a while back.
Were I to ever actually meet some fuckwit who legitimately thought such a thing was important, I'd show 'em this:
Things like Gay or even Black pride at least have a sort of connecting thread: "We were outcasts and considered subhuman for centuries, but we've stuck it out and in the end it's made us stronger, and we're not afraid of being ourselves", as loose as that may be.
Things like Gay or even Black pride at least have a sort of connecting thread: "We were outcasts and considered subhuman for centuries, but we've stuck it out and in the end it's made us stronger, and we're not afraid of being ourselves", as loose as that may be.
You kind of lost me there a bit, I'm afraid. I'm not interested in making anything about myself or heteros in general, because we don't need things made about us 99% of the damn time.The Dead Singer said:
And I'm certainly sceptical of people whose response to gay pride is "Well why not straight pride?"
You also lost me, who hates whose guts?THM said:
I'm well aware not all straight people feel the same, or I wouldn't be embarrassed as fuck by the people trying to make het-pride a thing.
As I said before, gay pride is a response to years of suffering, it feels a bit petty and ridiculous to demand one of our own. We don't need it. Straight allies are welcome at gay pride, if you want to show your support then about how you're one of the good straights, that's when to do it.
You missed the point, the joke was that pride and envy are two of the seven deadly sins.Silentpony said:
I won't use the Dreaded Three-Letter Word (tm), but let's just say 'progressives'. A certain subset of that 'group' tend to not just hate, but loathe a different section of society you could call 'Traditionals'. I think it would be nice to have a day/event that told people in that Traditional group that no, not everybody hates them and yes, they have a place at the cultural table just as much as anyone else.Phasmal said:
You know, probably few decades later furries will say that.bartholen said:
Eh, he was a jerk. And frankly I am curious to how person like him survived that far without going mad - considering that world isn't very fair in the first place.THM said:Personally, I'd prefer a Frank Grimes day myself - now there's someone that needs it.
And what does that have to do with straight pride? Unless you're saying that we need a day for straight people to be reassured that the scary gays don't hate them, in which case- still no.THM said:
As a person in a heterosexual relationship, fuck me this is embarrassing. We are completely and utterly accepted. We don't have to worry about being kicked out of our houses or sent to camps for being straight. We don't have to worry about being shot for it.
This is just fuckin' tacky.
I feel we're not gonna get any further. I've made my point as best I could (which is often not great, but I tried). I'll have to agree to disagree.
I'm sorry, there isn't a liberal, or progressive pride day... That's neither here nor there. The whole point is society as a whole, all over the world, is saying that a set of variant sexualities and gender identities is sinful, morally wrong, against nature, and needs to be erased, destroyed, or shamed back into the closet... Those variant sexual and gender identities are most certianly not cisgender heterosexual folk. A few political hacks trying to shame cis hetero folk isn't the same as the massive global social ostracism, erasure, and violence GSM folk face.THM said:
Yeah...my bad. That went completely over my head. Didn't even connect Pride Day as a literal glorification of a Deadly Sin.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
This seems to be the part that humans get wrong all the time. Because really, at the end of the day, You do You and I'll do Me is really the best policy. People just need to get better at not being jerks about it.kenu12345 said:
...sigh.
How about, just, try not to be hateful, whoever you are.
Yes, the people who boost this are almost certainly going passive-aggressive about recent Pride events, and yes, it's pretty damn rare for someone to be beaten or killed for being straight, and yes, there are still entire countries where being gay puts your liberty and life at risk.
But I've spent a week watching straight friends preparing for their parts in local Gay Pride events, and it's quite wonderful.
Whereas the reaction to this (not among my friends, thankfully), isn't. This is the kind of crap that puts people in opposite corners, us and them. This is the thinking that you can't win unless someone loses, and it's less important that people stand together than that the groups you hate feel terrible.
People are going to be stupid for a while. Stupid on the Internet. Ignore them, and they'll stop, probably within a month. Be as outraged and hateful as you imagine them to be, and this will drag on, and a lot of people who might be apathetic or sympathetic are going to get the impression the cause of gay rights is full of people who hate heterosexuals.
How about, just, try not to be hateful, whoever you are.
Yes, the people who boost this are almost certainly going passive-aggressive about recent Pride events, and yes, it's pretty damn rare for someone to be beaten or killed for being straight, and yes, there are still entire countries where being gay puts your liberty and life at risk.
But I've spent a week watching straight friends preparing for their parts in local Gay Pride events, and it's quite wonderful.
Whereas the reaction to this (not among my friends, thankfully), isn't. This is the kind of crap that puts people in opposite corners, us and them. This is the thinking that you can't win unless someone loses, and it's less important that people stand together than that the groups you hate feel terrible.
People are going to be stupid for a while. Stupid on the Internet. Ignore them, and they'll stop, probably within a month. Be as outraged and hateful as you imagine them to be, and this will drag on, and a lot of people who might be apathetic or sympathetic are going to get the impression the cause of gay rights is full of people who hate heterosexuals.