#HetrosexualPrideDay

[Thaluikhain]

but the idea of this all seems to be about finding pride in the idea that others of a group that you belonged to suffered, I find that loathsome.

As explained many times in this thread already, that's not what gay pride is about.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I'd wager most straight people aren't offended by that.

A substantial amount of people are offended by the existence of LGBT people, The number varies, but it's generally in double digit percentiles. That might not be the majority, but it's a lot.

 

[Gengisgame]

but the idea of this all seems to be about finding pride in the idea that others of a group that you belonged to suffered, I find that loathsome.

As explained many times in this thread already, that's not what gay pride is about.

Buddy you don't get to dictate what others take pride in, when many of the comments go on about how straights didn't suffer the same way gays did as to there reason why they have a problem then your comment is simply false.

 

[Something Amyss]

Buddy you don't get to dictate what others take pride in

The problem is, you don't get to dictate what others take pride in.

You keep saying others are saying things that aren't actually reflected by their words.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Just come in to say...Errm...Oh. Oh dear. Things haven't eased down a bit, have they? This would usually call for an overused meme, but i'll leave somebody else to adhere to such cliche.

If that was a joke, then well done sir or madame.

If that weren't a joke then... you and many people here took my thread too fucking seriously. We are on 9 pages. 9!! Going back and forth, back and forth on the same thing and...

Why do I bother. This will either be ignored or just throw slurs. Thanks team.

You have created a monster!! Now you probably know how Hitler's mum felt. Or my mum for that matter. If it's any consolation, i did try and be humourous at first. It tends to be like a sponge in the ocean though, unless it gets mistaken for seriousness, Which needs some sort of universal indicator to avoid future pitfalls. However, the best and only option now is start a fire, burn it all to the ground with no evidence left and claim off the insurance. There will be casualties of course, but to make an egg you've got to eat a few omelettes i say!

 

[Parasondox]

Just come in to say...Errm...Oh. Oh dear. Things haven't eased down a bit, have they? This would usually call for an overused meme, but i'll leave somebody else to adhere to such cliche.

If that was a joke, then well done sir or madame.

If that weren't a joke then... you and many people here took my thread too fucking seriously. We are on 9 pages. 9!! Going back and forth, back and forth on the same thing and...

Why do I bother. This will either be ignored or just throw slurs. Thanks team.

You have created a monster!! Now you probably know how Hitler's mum felt. Or my mum for that matter. If it's any consolation, i did try and be humourous at first. It tends to be like a sponge in the ocean though, unless it gets mistaken for seriousness, Which needs some sort of universal indicator to avoid future pitfalls. However, the best and only option now is start a fire, burn it all to the ground with no evidence left and claim off the insurance. There will be casualties of course, but to make an egg you've got to eat a few omelettes i say!

This is where i admit full guilt and confess me crime. I gave birth to this abomination and its not slowing down. I mean... it was just a joke. A joke...

A joke...

A joke...

A joke...

A joke...

*fading into the distance*

A joke...

 

[Parasondox]

More of a grenade. To be honest, while Winter Wyvvern seems to get off on being the center of outrage, you seem to enjoy throwing a grenade[footnote]http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/grenade.htm[/footnote] with a smile and then enjoying the results from the periphery.

Mostly you seem so bored that even the 'sound of your voice' followed by screams of outrage is a preferable outcome to silence.

I am not even going to disagree with you. I wanted something small and silly with some "haha's", but I throw that grenade into a room filled with gas and the blast was larger than expected. I dont even enjoy the chaos and outrage anymore.

I'm actually quite sad that this has turned heated.

 

[Gengisgame]

Buddy you don't get to dictate what others take pride in

The problem is, you don't get to dictate what others take pride in.

You keep saying others are saying things that aren't actually reflected by their words.

Your right I don't, never said I did yet here you are doing just that so your already off to a bad start.

quote from TC "I mean, hetros cant even show any signs of affection to their other half without verbal abuse thrown at them, they struggle to marry the one they love and the most recent issue surrounding bathrooms"

more quotes just from this thread "Kids don't exactly get shipped off the church camps to get the straight beat and starved out of them."

"What else is there to be proud about being straight for? Gay people have suffered people trying to erase them for a very long time, and still do. That is why they have Pride. "

You that desperate to ignore criticism of your progressive group that you'll outright lie.

 

[Silvanus]

Your right I don't, never said I did yet here you are doing just that so your already off to a bad start.

You never said you did, but you did it all the same. You attributed peoples' motivations to them, when they had never expressed them themselves. It was far greater arrogance and presumptuousness that was shown by the others you were accusing of doing the same.

You that desperate to ignore criticism of your progressive group that you'll outright lie.

"Your progressive group"? What the hell does that mean? This is just "us and them", demonising drivel.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Buddy you don't get to dictate what others take pride in

The problem is, you don't get to dictate what others take pride in.

You keep saying others are saying things that aren't actually reflected by their words.

Your right I don't, never said I did yet here you are doing just that so your already off to a bad start.

quote from TC "I mean, hetros cant even show any signs of affection to their other half without verbal abuse thrown at them, they struggle to marry the one they love and the most recent issue surrounding bathrooms"

more quotes just from this thread "Kids don't exactly get shipped off the church camps to get the straight beat and starved out of them."

"What else is there to be proud about being straight for? Gay people have suffered people trying to erase them for a very long time, and still do. That is why they have Pride. "

You that desperate to ignore criticism of your progressive group that you'll outright lie.

If you've read the thread, you'd have read the several times where the concept of Gay Pride was explained. It has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

 

[Parasondox]

Buddy you don't get to dictate what others take pride in

The problem is, you don't get to dictate what others take pride in.

You keep saying others are saying things that aren't actually reflected by their words.

Your right I don't, never said I did yet here you are doing just that so your already off to a bad start.

quote from TC "I mean, hetros cant even show any signs of affection to their other half without verbal abuse thrown at them, they struggle to marry the one they love and the most recent issue surrounding bathrooms"

I assume i said that one and I ADMITTED that was doing an unfunny stupid satire. Pointing out something and putting an opposite twist. The joke dead because I now have to explain the joke.

Do I need to put a larger disclaimer?

 

[happyninja42]

I didn't say surprising, I said amusing.

For them.

Almost all the talk in media has basically been "ew, I don't want no homo trying to hit on me!" for the last...30-40 years. Because being gay or bi is all about wanting to fuck literally everyone, or something, I don't know. Still, it's likely surprising because...well, what we constantly see is straight people acting all insecure and histrionic, possibly even aggressively so.

Yeah...I just don't get that. I mean, I know it happens, I just don't get it. To me, it's no different than when a woman I don't find attractive is flirting with me. I have no invested stake in the situation. Just politely decline and go about your day. Apparently I'm weird like that. *shrugs*

Apparently being comfortable around them, and genuinely not giving a shit who they had sex with, and being comfortable enough to joke with them about such things = gay guy to many of them. At least back in the 90's early 2000's.

Well, that's the thing with straight people. When you don't rub our faces in it, you practically blend in...>.>

sorryicouldntresist

It's actually an interesting application of the notion of assumed default. In the greater population, people are assumed to be straight because somewhere around 96% of people are straight. Go into a gay bar--and what straight person would, mirite--and the assumption switches because it shifts to a same-sex clientele.

"Gaudar" is really just inference from a series of social cues. Altering the setting changes the nature of those cues. Generally speaking, we don't have to dance around our sexuality in a gay bar, for example.

Except all the times I was directly hit on, or asked out by a gay guy, were outside of a gay club. At work, or at a public party/gathering kind of thing, etc etc. I mean, I would expect some flirtation at the gay club, like you said, given the clientele and the assumptions thereof. So yeah, I still apparently ping (or at least did, nobody hits on me anymore) on the gaydar to some degree.

 

[Gengisgame]

I assume i said that one and I ADMITTED that was doing an unfunny stupid satire. Pointing out something and putting an opposite twist. The joke dead because I now have to explain the joke.

Do I need to put a larger disclaimer?

Which only works if you believe pride is only for the oppressed proving my point.

Here's what your entire point came down to.

"oh that stupid group, having pride when I don't think enough of them have suffered compared to this other group, lol"

 

[Gengisgame]

If you've read the thread, you'd have read the several times where the concept of Gay Pride was explained. It has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

I just quoted multiple people in the first 2 pages, probably more buried in the first 2 pages in the longer posts.

All I can think of is that your going to foolishly say gay pride is about gays being accepted or whatever not realizing that amounts to the same thing.

The reason you didn't give me this other reason as to why gay pride is ok but straight isn't is because you know I'm right.

 

[Parasondox]

I assume i said that one and I ADMITTED that was doing an unfunny stupid satire. Pointing out something and putting an opposite twist. The joke dead because I now have to explain the joke.

Do I need to put a larger disclaimer?

Which only works if you believe pride is only for the oppressed proving my point.

Here's what your entire point came down to.

"oh that stupid group, having pride when I don't think enough of them have suffered compared to this other group, lol"

Good night ladies and gents. I think I am done for the evening. Everything I say will cause a fire.

I'm out.

 

[Silvanus]

I just quoted multiple people in the first 2 pages, probably more buried in the first 2 pages in the longer posts.

You quoted multiple people, none of whom were actually expressing the sentiment you attributed to them. You're still ascribing their motivations to them.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

I assume i said that one and I ADMITTED that was doing an unfunny stupid satire. Pointing out something and putting an opposite twist. The joke dead because I now have to explain the joke.

Do I need to put a larger disclaimer?

Which only works if you believe pride is only for the oppressed proving my point.

Here's what your entire point came down to.

"oh that stupid group, having pride when I don't think enough of them have suffered compared to this other group, lol"

Good night ladies and gents. I think I am done for the evening. Everything I say will cause a fire.

I'm out.

There is, unfortunately, no explaining to some people. For your own sanity it is best not get caught in the cycle unless you have the patience of a saint to endlessly repeat yourself. So many try and pretend we are already living in an equal world with no past or present discriminatory problems, it is some favourite passive-aggressive stance that seems to be eternally brought up to try and reverse the whole debate, without understanding the fundamentals of why the debate is even there. Imagine if the Jewish people had to deal with the Nazis (why does autocorrect capitalise that?) claiming they should be treated precisely the same because this is an equal world and the Nazis need a pride day too! While completely ignoring history and context just to sound like they're the ones now being oppressed. Now before any fucker decides to jump on that as me-equating-straights-to-nazis, don't even bother, that's not what I meant, it is the persecution of the Jews part that the pride day is supposed to equate to. It would be like any non-Jewish German saying they need to have just the same recognition for a persecution they, at best, wasnt involved in. Like...why is the difference so hard to understand? It has to be willful ignorance, I honestly cannot see what else.
If people want that sort of recognition for no other reason than they feel bad from seeing these others stand up for their liberties that are still a problem across the world, then fine. No one is stopping them, but it's not very classy and it appears incredibly childish and self-absorbed.

 

[Something Amyss]

Your right I don't, never said I did yet here you are doing just that so your already off to a bad start.

Except I'm not doing just that. I'm speaking from the position of one of the accused. I simply said that thal's context is right, whereas you're trying to dictate we're saying something else.

quote from TC "I mean, hetros cant even show any signs of affection to their other half without verbal abuse thrown at them, they struggle to marry the one they love and the most recent issue surrounding bathrooms"

Right. That OP that is blatantly absurd, playing on real-world issues faced by the LGBT community and the sort of false equivalence that seems to be quite popular around here, and...oh yeah, he repeatedly explicitly stated it was a joke.

Not a good start.

"Kids don't exactly get shipped off the church camps to get the straight beat and starved out of them."

Which says what about being proud of it where?

"What else is there to be proud about being straight for? Gay people have suffered people trying to erase them for a very long time, and still do. That is why they have Pride. "

Of course, Phasmal used a capitol P in "Pride" to indicate the event, which doesn't mesh with your claim:

but the idea of this all seems to be about finding pride in the idea that others of a group that you belonged to suffered, I find that loathsome.

We have Pride to celebrate a group that's been told it should not be. We are not celebrating suffering, but fighting against it.

You that desperate to ignore criticism of your progressive group that you'll outright lie.

And yet, you said thal was dictating the actions of others, and then misquoted two people to claim that he was. Your initial entry into this topic was essentially to complain that straight people might have problems, too, ignoring the thrust of the message in here.

And on that note: yeah. Nobody said straight people can't suffer. What does that have to do with this? You've already demonstrated you're aware we're talking about systematic oppression, because you've literally used those words, so as far as I can tell, you're intentionally comparing apples to oranges.

Moreover, it appears to be symptomatic of what Phasmal was replying to. The notion that someone might be so incensed over the LGBT community getting a small amount of attention that they will try and justify antipathy. Your idea of "whining about straight people" seems to be nothing more than people pointing out that straight people don't suffer the same kind of systemic oppression, the almost guaranteed danger that LGBT folk do. Pointing out that you don't suffer specifically for being straight seems to be some great insult to you. Why?

The reason you didn't give me this other reason as to why gay pride is ok but straight isn't is because you know I'm right.

Thal doesn't have to give a reason. One has already been given. Repeatedly.

 

[shrekfan246]

While completely ignoring history and context just to sound like they're the ones now being oppressed.

Well, there are more Holocaust-deniers out there than there should be.

Pointing out that you don't suffer specifically for being straight seems to be some great insult to you. Why?

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! People who feel like life has been unfair to them have a hard time accepting that they have certain privileges afforded to them that make their life relatively better than a more disadvantaged person's would be in the same or a similar position.

 

[Something Amyss]

Well, there are more Holocaust-deniers out there than there should be.

And people screaming "white genocide!" because...umm...white people don't have ALL the power anymore. Yes, sharing is exactly like the attempt to wipe out an entire ethnic group.

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! People who feel like life has been unfair to them have a hard time accepting that they have certain privileges afforded to them that make their life relatively better than a more disadvantaged person's would be in the same or a similar position.

The weird thing is, what constitutes unfairness.

"I once saw someone mock straights on Tumblr!"
"People routinely try and hurt or kill gay people."
"God, how self-absorbed can you be?":

 

[Drathnoxis]

This is just disgusting! Why do threads like these always get so many comments, why can't we have 300 post discussions about any of the things I want to talk about? When exactly did the Escapist become a community that only wants to discuss politics?