Hipsters? In my nerdery?

[Guffe]

If someone wants to label me, go for it.
I know what/who I am and what I like and when I've done it and for how long I will (that last part was a bit weird wasn't it, like I could see the future or something).
I don't really care is what I'm trying to say

 

[Padwolf]

I don't really care either way to be honest. If people wanna be "nerds" or whatever the hell that actually means, then good on them, let them be who they want to be. People want to wear fake glasses? let them be, let them do what they want. However, I will say this. If I see someone wearing something that alludes to a thing I enjoy too, and I talk to that person about it, and then send me away and don't want to talk to me about that thing because they say they know nothing about it, then I will think a bit less of them. Which has sadly happened to me before. One of my closest friends got a Rolling Stones T-shirt. So I talked to her about them, what songs she liked and things like that. Turns out she had not heard any of their songs. That would have been fair enough, but she got really awkward about it all, then got angry at me for asking her the questions then said she doesn't want to talk about it again. She never wore the t-shirt again after that.

 

[Timmibal]

frankly this isn't a hill I'm willing to die on.

Oh shit son, me either. I was just saying I get the resentment, because I felt it once upon a time myself.

I think some people just can't let go of the past...

Agreed. And it's a shame because it really does hold folks nack from so much.

 

[Eclipse Dragon]

Likewise, I've only very recently been introduced to the board game scene at my local comic book shop, I was not shunned for my lack of knowledge in everything board game related, they welcomed me with open arms and were more than happy to explain how to play.

Lucky you. My experience with tabletops was nothing but misery.

I have played with the idea that my local comic shop might be more accepting than some others, quite a few of the regulars are married and even bring their children early in the evening. The stereotype of the exclusionary, non-social gatekeeper just isn't there. The only thing I have to go on is my local experience, so I can't speak for the experience of others. I have encountered gatekeepers before and it was less than pleasant, but those were rare and individual, I can't imagine what a nest of them would be like.

 

[Something Amyss]

I have played with the idea that my local comic shop might be more accepting than some others, quite a few of the regulars are married and even bring their children early in the evening. The stereotype of the exclusionary, non-social gatekeeper just isn't there. The only thing I have to go on is my local experience, so I can't speak for the experience of others. I have encountered gatekeepers before and it was less than pleasant, but those were rare and individual, I can't imagine what a nest of them would be like.

My experience varied even within the same stores. I probably wouldn't have got into M:tG if not for people at the FLGS, since I didn't know anyone. The folks I tried playing D&D with, on the other hand, well...I'm surprised their faces go so unpunched. Not advocating violence for the record, just that punching people seems to be the common response, so....

I didn't touch D&D for like a decade after a series of bad experiences (you didn't memorise all the rulebooks and source material overnight? Pleb). The crowd I met playing White Wolf products, however, were pretty decent.

There are nerds who love to share their hobbies. There are nerds that want to guard their hobbies. I much prefer the former. Unfortunately, there are a lot of the latter.

 

[Mazinger-Z]

And this just reads like a `Well I like it so much better and liked it first and they RUIN IT`- which to me is the essence of hipsterism.

No, hipsterism is that plus the addendum 'by everybody liking it and look what a special snowflake it made me for liking it first.' Which I, and other nerds, could give a flying fuck about.

If everyone likes the Killing Joke, that's fine. However, if they think the Killing Joke needs to be edited for objectionable material, that's another story.

Nerds don't like something because it's not mainstream. That's hipsterism. Nerds love something in spite of the fact that it's not mainstream.

 

[Guffe]

If someone wants to label me, go for it.
I know what/who I am and what I like and when I've done it and for how long I will (that last part was a bit weird wasn't it, like I could see the future or something).
I don't really care is what I'm trying to say

If you truly didn't care, would you be announcing how much you don't care?

Yeah I think I would, I usually speak my mind
I can see were you're coming from also, but I don't walk around announcing how much I usually care/don't care. If someone asks, I answer, and now there was a thread about hipsters and labels and whatnots and I decided to throw in my 5 cents.

 

[TakerFoxx]

If someone wants to label me, go for it.
I know what/who I am and what I like and when I've done it and for how long I will (that last part was a bit weird wasn't it, like I could see the future or something).
I don't really care is what I'm trying to say

Ditto. I like what I like, and if that makes me a nerd, then sure, so be it. But it's not something I find pride or identity in. So I don't bother to get upset when nerds get all "Us vs. Them."

But then again, I was lucky in that people mostly left me alone in highschool and didn't bother to bully me, so I never really developed a foxhole mentality from it.

 

[RaikuFA]

Likewise, I've only very recently been introduced to the board game scene at my local comic book shop, I was not shunned for my lack of knowledge in everything board game related, they welcomed me with open arms and were more than happy to explain how to play.

Lucky you. My experience with tabletops was nothing but misery.

I have played with the idea that my local comic shop might be more accepting than some others, quite a few of the regulars are married and even bring their children early in the evening. The stereotype of the exclusionary, non-social gatekeeper just isn't there. The only thing I have to go on is my local experience, so I can't speak for the experience of others. I have encountered gatekeepers before and it was less than pleasant, but those were rare and individual, I can't imagine what a nest of them would be like.

Neckbeards, lots and lots of neckbeards. And they act like that guy from "Grandma's boy."

Thats why I only play by myself.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Yet, because I have a portable hard drive with Arch Linux installed on it which I happily use to take over other computers, everyone continues to call me an ubernerd.

I get to keep my nerd cred without being annoying.

You only get to be Ubernerd in my books when you install Linux on your toaster.

 

[lacktheknack]

Yet, because I have a portable hard drive with Arch Linux installed on it which I happily use to take over other computers, everyone continues to call me an ubernerd.

I get to keep my nerd cred without being annoying.

You only get to be Ubernerd in my books when you install Linux on your toaster.

Give me a toaster with a USB port and I'll do it.

 

[Something Amyss]

Nerds and hipsters...same thing really.

The unfortunate elephant in the room is just that. But it's not so much nerds as it is the people fighting FOR "nerd." I honestly wonder whether most nerds even give a crap.

I guess what I'm saying is #notallnerds, man!

I get to keep my nerd cred without being annoying.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

 

[Kwak]

Hipsters ate my lumberjack.

Spoiler: Mod edit: please put large images in spoilers.

I think they've moved on from nerdery.

 

[Erttheking]

Nerds and hipsters...same thing really.

The unfortunate elephant in the room is just that. But it's not so much nerds as it is the people fighting FOR "nerd." I honestly wonder whether most nerds even give a crap.

I guess what I'm saying is #notallnerds, man!

I get to keep my nerd cred without being annoying.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

Fair point. Kind of an odd self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Something Amyss]

Fair point. Kind of an odd self fulfilling prophecy.

I do think the overall theme is correct, though. It seems like the people who are fighting over whether or not someone is a nerd/hipster seem to be completely indistinguishable. And over something I just can't imagine mattering.

 

[Something Amyss]

That too, there is nothing wrong with wearing something because you happen to like the design on it or having something like a pokemon on your keychain because it cute. It doesn't mean you are trying pass yourself off as fan. The worse thing that's going happen if someone wears a T-Shirt of a work you're fan of without actually being into is that you try and strike up conversation about it and it goes nowhere. That SHOULDN'T be an issue.

Indeed. I mean, there are some cool anime designs from shows I don't like. I'm not sure I'd personally buy a shirt from one, but I can get why people would be like "why, that looks awesome!" and run with it.

 

[runic knight]

Sigh. This again. It people would at least learn what Nerds are....


Nerds are not culture nor are they identy. Nerds is an insult. as in, the word itself is a derogatory term to insult geeks. geeks are the people you want to talk about here, not nerds. Saying "nerd culture" is like saying "****** culture".

Really liked the breakdown of the video. It explains well the shift in the way nerds/geeks are seen, and the money motivation as to why it happened, as well as the similarities of it having happened before with Punk, Rap, and other subcultures.

Touches on well the investment and cost of being a nerd, and the feeling of being cheated by those trying to take the classification without a similar investment of time or cost of social standing.

Yet, because I have a portable hard drive with Arch Linux installed on it which I happily use to take over other computers, everyone continues to call me an ubernerd.

I get to keep my nerd cred without being annoying.

You only get to be Ubernerd in my books when you install Linux on your toaster.

But aren't most on-chip operating systems linux or unix based already? Coulda sworn I remembered something about appliances being linux based being an issue because so many now connect to the internet and have no security, making most refrigerators and coffee-makers with wi-fi out there slaves in botnets.

On plus side, your stove can always make spam...

 

[Nirallus]

Sigh. This again. It people would at least learn what Nerds are....


Nerds are not culture nor are they identy. Nerds is an insult. as in, the word itself is a derogatory term to insult geeks. geeks are the people you want to talk about here, not nerds. Saying "nerd culture" is like saying "****** culture".

Really liked the breakdown of the video. It explains well the shift in the way nerds/geeks are seen, and the money motivation as to why it happened, as well as the similarities of it having happened before with Punk, Rap, and other subcultures.

Touches on well the investment and cost of being a nerd, and the feeling of being cheated by those trying to take the classification without a similar investment of time or cost of social standing.

Red Letter Media put a humorous spin on the same point, using their trademark sarcasm. "It's cool to say you're a nerd but it's not cool to be a nerd." [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0C_Dnt7k_0]

I blame the Big Bang Theory.

 

[UmberHulk]

D&D's seen a lot of changes in response to the rise of MMOs (I haven't played 6e yet, but 5e was an attempt to streamline the game so it was like an MMO).

Complains about Hipsters only having surface level knowledge of something yet thinks their's 6 additions of d&d (for the record their are 5 official additions and technically 9 additions). Also trots out the "4e is like an MMO" line that was crap back in 2007 and still is today.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

D&D's seen a lot of changes in response to the rise of MMOs (I haven't played 6e yet, but 5e was an attempt to streamline the game so it was like an MMO).

Complains about Hipsters only having surface level knowledge of something yet thinks their's 6 additions of d&d (for the record their are 5 official additions and technically 9 additions). Also trots out the "4e is like an MMO" line that was crap back in 2007 and still is today.

Lol, I had noticed that and forgot to comment on it.

And yeah, I felt 4e really changed the feeling in a way I didn't care for, but it was not so much like an MMO. Encounter powers and daily powers etc aren't particularly how it goes in an MMO. Felt a bit more like an attempt to fix the balance between magic and non-magic. Which was in fact something people griped about a lot.