Hitman Studio Apologizes For Nun Massacre

[ElPatron]

Ammo Clips are just another name for magazines still or am I that behind the times.

Only Hollywood and gangsters think they are synonyms.

The reason they are not the same thing is because a firearm that is reloaded with clips still requires a magazine (with a spring mechanism) inside it otherwise it wouldn't feed. Clips feed magazines, magazines feed the gun.

A bunch of S&M dominatrix latex wearing nuns get brutally beaten up and killed by a big bald guy.....and they say they wasn't trying to offend anyone? I mean really - How could they not see a reaction like that coming?

Perhaps they assumed that people would not get upset and just let it go instead of trying to create yet another storm in a cup.

Internet Hate Machine assemble!

 

[idarkphoenixi]

A bunch of S&M dominatrix latex wearing nuns get brutally beaten up and killed by a big bald guy.....and they say they wasn't trying to offend anyone? I mean really - How could they not see a reaction like that coming?

I'm fine with killing women in a movie/video game if it serves a purpose but when you hyper-sexualize them like that, it just sticks me. That entire trailer made absolutely no sense at all, it just seemed like an excuse to stir up some controversy (after all, ever since the "no Russian" MW2, every game needs controversy otherwise they can't sell enough copies).

 

[ElPatron]

Building on that, some firearms do use clips, like the M1 Garand, which used a stripper clip with eight rounds. They were less bulky than magazines, but the downside was that you couldn't reload in the middle. When you fired off the last round, the clip ejected with an audible *ping*.

It's an en-bloc clip.

It still needs the internal magazine to work, though. And you can reload in the middle. I remember that Call of Duty and Medal of Honor convinced me that you can't reload a Garand without expending all the ammunition. I was wrong, lol.

I mean 47 does wear a suit which is also highly unpractical. I love how people are angry at sexy nuns in a Hitman trailer but were silent when Duke Nukem Forever came out and was infinitely more vulgar.

Suits are not that impractical.

Perhaps a ninja costume would allow him to kick more ass and run faster (and on walls!) but he would stand out in the crowd.

Suits allow for weapons to be somewhat concealed while easy to draw at the same time. Plus, he is able to change outfits all the time.

 

[Gandanga11]

I mean 47 does wear a suit which is also highly unpractical. I love how people are angry at sexy nuns in a Hitman trailer but were silent when Duke Nukem Forever came out and was infinitely more vulgar.

 

[Eamar]

Pull the other one IO, the trailer was a blatant attention grab, as is this apology.

Assuming the apology isn't all part of a planned PR scheme, there's no real need for it. They just needed to learn from it and not do it next time. Personally, I wasn't offended as such by the trailer, but I did roll my eyes and think "here we go again..." I've accepted that large parts of this industry have yet to grow up, and take comfort in other parts that do seem to have got over the "LOL TITS" stage (incidentally, I'm loving the redesign of Lara Croft).

They should have pulled a Neo where they rip off the nun outfits and are just loaded up with weapons - and appropriate clothes for a gun fight.

Now this would have been AWESOME

 

[WaysideMaze]

This is the biggest issue I've had with the whole argument over the video. Everyone seems to be questioning "why were they dressed like that to assassinate someone?" yet no one questions "why is he wearing a formal suit to assassinate someone?". The answer to both questions is the same, but only one is being asked.

A man in a suit doesn't attract attention. just another face in the crowd. 7 attractive women in s&m gear is the opposite.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

People are really making mountains out of molehills.

 

[IceStar100]

I can't say anything since I liked it. I though it was cool seeing them come dressed as nun. Good cover then they even uses a rosyery as a weapon. They where shown to be just as much a threat as anything else not just a pair of breast to oogle. Remind me of the hooker in the last hitman who turned out to be an assassin herself. If you got it use it. Then at the end Agent 47 shows respect by closeing the eyes.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

People are really making mountains out of molehills.

Is that a breast joke?

...lol, I guess it is now.

 

[WaysideMaze]

This is the biggest issue I've had with the whole argument over the video. Everyone seems to be questioning "why were they dressed like that to assassinate someone?" yet no one questions "why is he wearing a formal suit to assassinate someone?". The answer to both questions is the same, but only one is being asked.

A man in a suit doesn't attract attention. just another face in the crowd. 7 attractive women in s&m gear is the opposite.

A bald man with a tattoo of a barcode on the back of his head, walking around in a monkey suit with leather gloves, certainly would attract attention in your average crowd.

The point he was making is that the reason they were dressed like something out of Kill Bill is the same reason 47 looks like he does.

Because it's cool and 'why the fuck not, it's a game'.

oh I agree, its cool as hell. But a man ina suit does not attract as much attention as a group of s&m enthusiasts. Even a man with a barcode tattoo on the back of his head.

 

[Eamar]

Pussies.

People are constantly complaining that the industry itself is what needs to grow up.... Bullshit. It's the whiny, precious little consumers who somehow think that violence against digital women is soooo much worse than violence against digital men.

No one would have given two short fucks if 47 had have done the EXACT same thing to a load of guys in priest gowns that fell off to reveal leather hotpants or someshit. Infact people would probably have called it progressive.

Frikin selective hippies.

While I'm not denying that some people had a problem with the violence, I'd like to point out that the comments about the industry needing to grow up tend to refer to the sexualisation of women, not the violence.

Now, I'm not about to say that all sexualisation is a bad thing, but you have to admit that this did look like something an adolescent would dream up, surely? Hence the "grow up" comments.

 

[Gandanga11]

Pussies.

If I was their PR department I'd have sent out a very clear 'Piss off buttercups' in response to the, frankly alarming reaction this trailer got.

People are constantly complaining that the industry itself is what needs to grow up.... Bullshit. It's the whiny, precious little consumers who somehow think that violence against digital women is soooo much worse than violence against digital men.

No one would have given two short fucks if 47 had have done the EXACT same thing to a load of guys in priest gowns that fell off to reveal leather hotpants or someshit. Infact people would probably have called it progressive.

Frikin selective hippies.

Exactly. I mean every male game character has to be a chiseled alpha male or devilishly handsome and suave. Im sensing double standards.

 

[WaysideMaze]

Pussies.

If I was their PR department I'd have sent out a very clear 'Piss off buttercups' in response to the, frankly alarming reaction this trailer got.

People are constantly complaining that the industry itself is what needs to grow up.... Bullshit. It's the whiny, precious little consumers who somehow think that violence against digital women is soooo much worse than violence against digital men.

No one would have given two short fucks if 47 had have done the EXACT same thing to a load of guys in priest gowns that fell off to reveal leather hotpants or someshit. Infact people would probably have called it progressive.

Frikin selective hippies.

I would have cared. But that's just because my issue with the trailer was that it didn't feel like a hitman trailer. felt more like an advert for a statham movie

 

[Eamar]

That's another thing, everyone seems to be a fucking prude lately. Especially on this site. I don't know if it's because they think complaining about non issues like this make them seem more open minded, forward thinking [insert more insufferable modern-man buzzwords here], because that seems to be the in thing at the minute.

I'll agree I'm not 100% sure why this particular example is what's sparked so much debate (as I've said before, my own reaction was less "what the hell is this, ban this filth" and more "this again? *sigh*), but personally I'm glad people do think about these things. *shrug*

But denying that sexuality, especially explicit eye candy, is a stimuli that people respond too... well it's just downright stupid.

Yes, sexuality is an important stimulus, but don't you think it can be a bit lazy for a game developer (or film director, or music video or whatever else) simply to pander to that? Again, I think that's pretty adolescent behaviour, hence some parts of the medium needing to "grow up."

There's a time and place for sex, cheese and ultra violence. A story about a monkey suit clad baldylox, ultra assassin falls in those margins.

I know little about the Hitman series and so am not in a position to judge, but I was under the impression that, while sex has always been a part of it, it wasn't the main selling point in the past. This trailer seems to undermine that.

Having said that, again I agree that there's a time and a place for this and am not advocating the complete removal of this kind of stuff. While I'd like to see the industry as a whole mature a bit, I have nothing against the Saints Rows and (original) Duke Nukems of this world.

People need to understand that there's a difference between sexist agendas and 'look, sexy outfits, fwwwaaahhhh!'.

Once again, I wouldn't call this maliciously sexist, just immature.

Women appear more sexualised than men in all media... Not just games. And there's a reason for that. They way that sexualisation clicks best for your average hetero guy is more overt than your average hetero woman.

I'm well aware that women are overly sexualised in all media, and I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. I certainly don't agree with the "that's just the way it is, deal with it" line of thinking. For what it's worth, I'm bisexual so yes, I can completely understand why these things are sexy. I also, like a lot of straight guys, don't need or want everything to be aimed at my libido all the time.

Every time you see a musclebound dude in an underwear advert, it's sexualising the man. But we don't hear about people complaining that the male figure is being abused, or that we're setting an unrealistic ideal for teenage boys to achieve.

Again, I am well aware of this. And I don't think the sexualisation of men is necessarily a good thing either. Incidentally, I don't necessarily have a problem with the use of traditionally attractive people in advertising, so long as they're healthy. But that's straying off-topic.

We're obsessed with physical ideas. But for some reason it's only a negative thing for women?

I think that's a bit unfair. There is (generally speaking) far more variation in the looks of men in all sorts of media than in women.

You're right, though, we probably shouldn't get too off topic...

 

[mindlesspuppet]

This is the biggest issue I've had with the whole argument over the video. Everyone seems to be questioning "why were they dressed like that to assassinate someone?" yet no one questions "why is he wearing a formal suit to assassinate someone?". The answer to both questions is the same, but only one is being asked.

A man in a suit doesn't attract attention. just another face in the crowd. 7 attractive women in s&m gear is the opposite.

A bald man with a tattoo of a barcode on the back of his head, walking around in a monkey suit with leather gloves, certainly would attract attention in your average crowd.

The point he was making is that the reason they were dressed like something out of Kill Bill is the same reason 47 looks like he does.

Because it's cool and 'why the fuck not, it's a game'.

Wow, thank you. I was actually afraid I was going to have to explain myself.

 

[SonicWaffle]

People will take any excuse to have a *****-fit.

I disagree, and will now be throwing a ***** fit about your insensitivity to my needs.

OT: People complain when a studio or company takes heat and doesn't back down. People complain when a studio or company takes heat and does back down. There's really no way to win. Some of the people some of the time, etc etc.

 

[josemlopes]

I don't see the issue with the nun outfits. That's a pretty good cover up.

But why they were dressed as strippers or whatever in order to assassinate someone is pretty dumb.

They should have pulled a Neo where they rip off the nun outfits and are just loaded up with weapons - and appropriate clothes for a gun fight.

But whatever.

This is the biggest issue I've had with the whole argument over the video. Everyone seems to be questioning "why were they dressed like that to assassinate someone?" yet no one questions "why is he wearing a formal suit to assassinate someone?". The answer to both questions is the same, but only one is being asked.

Side note: The sexy nun as killers/killers disguised as nuns or priests thing has been done so many damn times in cinema that it really shouldn't have even garnered any attention. This just goes to show how immature the gaming media is.

I would think the "sexy" nun outfit isn't so much a disguise as a distraction. Taking out a male target, who being male may be susceptible to a pair of tits or bare leg being just enough of a distraction to allow said female assassins to gain an edge over an otherwise deadly foe... That it didn't work and he didn't even bat an eye except to get the fuck out the way of the RPG is a testament to just how inhuman 47 still is. I feel the character didn't see a bunch of strippered up nuns with guns, but just another in a long series of PEOPLE TRYING TO KILL HIM. And he's already shown in the past to not really care one way or another about sexuality, he just does his job.

I swear these days people will go apeshit over anything just to have an issue to ***** about.

I am going to have to agree with you. I personally had no issue with the trailer (I just did not like it) but I really did not see anything sexist or all that shocking for that matter. Coupled with the idea that their garbs were designed to distract a male target made good sense (in a very silly sort of way), it is just pure fantasy.

The main thing I think people are reacting about though is the current portrayl of women in videogames and the perceived difficulty women have being gamers and such because what you saw tends to stray towards the norm instead of the exception and thus people let out a cry of frustration rather than true rage. Others just saw it as an opportunity to get mad. (Jeeze, I hope that makes sense)

And its not like religion themes have never been a part of Hitman

Spoiler

 

[Furioso]

Anyone else confused as to why they were dressed as nuns in the first place? If they were in a church sure, but outside a motel 6? Really? And why were they wearing any form of disguise if they were just going to remove it before seeing anyone? Forget the sexism, the thing just makes no goddamn sense

 

[Freyar]

I just watched it for the first time and I don't see why people are upset at all about it. As soon as they drop their outer attire it was just ladies dressed as strippers trying to kill a professional. Bloody amateurs is what they were. If anyone should be outraged, it's 47.

 

[WaysideMaze]

Pussies.

If I was their PR department I'd have sent out a very clear 'Piss off buttercups' in response to the, frankly alarming reaction this trailer got.

People are constantly complaining that the industry itself is what needs to grow up.... Bullshit. It's the whiny, precious little consumers who somehow think that violence against digital women is soooo much worse than violence against digital men.

No one would have given two short fucks if 47 had have done the EXACT same thing to a load of guys in priest gowns that fell off to reveal leather hotpants or someshit. Infact people would probably have called it progressive.

Frikin selective hippies.

I would have cared. But that's just because my issue with the trailer was that it didn't feel like a hitman trailer. felt more like an advert for a statham movie

Well he did take them out from behind...... Ai thank yew!

And when they realised he was there, they didn't just get walked over. You could tell that attacking head on isn't exactly his forte.

I know people have complained that it was much too action packed for a Hitman trailer. Which is frankly, the only valid criticism I've seen about the trailer. But if you've watched the gameplay released a few months back. The game has changed a lot from it's predecessors.

It looks much more like Arkham city than the old games, and I'm strangely okay with that. I know it bothered the diehard fans. But honestly, as long as there are lots of good stealth sequences, I can live with it not being in keeping with the last games.

I have looked at recent gameplay videos, and any worries I had from this trailer about it being all action have been thouroughly laid to rest.

I did like replaying levels going in all guns blazing, just to mix things up, but as long as I can still take on objectives and levels from multiple angles I'll be happy.