Hitman Studio Apologizes For Nun Massacre

[WaysideMaze]

This is the biggest issue I've had with the whole argument over the video. Everyone seems to be questioning "why were they dressed like that to assassinate someone?" yet no one questions "why is he wearing a formal suit to assassinate someone?". The answer to both questions is the same, but only one is being asked.

A man in a suit doesn't attract attention. just another face in the crowd. 7 attractive women in s&m gear is the opposite.

Death of a Showman: He wears his suit into an abandoned amusement park run by gangsters and two-bit crooks.
A suit stands out.

Flatline: He wears his suit to an addiction clinic filled with patients and doctors.
A suit stands out.

The Murder of Crows: He wears his suit to Mardi Gras.
A suit stands out.

You Better Watch Out...: He wears his suit to a Christmas party.
A suit stands out.

Death on the Mississippi: He wears his suit onto a cruise ship in the deep south.
A suit stands out.

A House of Cards: He wears his suit to a casino hotel in Vegas.
A suit stands out.

A Dance with the Devil: He wears his suit to a Angel/Demon costume party.
Hey guess what, a suit stands out.

OT: Considering I assassinated people while dressed as a clown, Santa, a WWI soldier, a crow, and the Devil himself, I didn't really see anything wrong with this, it just sorta clashes a bit with the normal quietly dark humour they usually have going. They wore something that they thought would give them an edge over a man, but they didn't account for Agent Forty Seven being uninterested, so they die.

Point taken. I just always thought of the suit as a blank outfit. Something that won't generally cause attention.

But yes its primary purpose is to look badass, I'll concede that.

EDIT Fuck it, I'm bored and have literally nothing better to do. I'm going to defend the suit! Even though everyone agrees I'm wrong. I'm going to break down Blood Money here, since it's the game I'm most familiar with and the game you brought up.

Death of a Showman. A guy in a suit could just be a potential business client. You see a guy early on, the guy who burns the lawyer, he's wearing a suit. Admittedly the suit does stand out on this level though.
Point Radoh.

A Vintage Year. I don't think it's a stretch to turn up to a wine tasting in a suit. However I will concede it stands out against all the stereotypical tourists that turn up.
Point Radoh.

Curtains Down. A suit at the opera. I'd say it blends in.
Point Wayside.

Flatline. He shows up to a clinic in a suit, yes, but if you want to get inside you need to disguise yourself. The idea that someone in a suit would show up to a rich persons rehab centre isn't exactly far fetched.
Point Wayside.

A New Life. I don't think its the suit that stands out in this one, more the fact that there is a stranger walking around a gated community of 12 houses. You'd expect the FBI to know who lived there, and at least monitor any strangers that were walking around.
But a guy in a suit walking down the street? Wouldn't say it stands out.
Point Wayside.

The Murder of Crows. Yeah, this ones really hard to defend. Maybe he's there on business? During Mardi Gras? Fuck it, not worth trying.
Point Radoh.

You Better Watch Out. Everyone in this level has a suit, only difference being you have a necktie, they have bowties. Although I suppose in these circles the social faux pas may make you stand out more. I'll give you that.
Point Radoh.

Death on the Mississippi. I really don't see a problem with the suit here. You find a room in the back thats full of VIPs in suits. It's only really the games programming thats determining which suit is acceptable in which location. Otherwise, you're just another guy in a suit, on a boat full of guys in suits.
Point Wayside.

Till Death do us Part. Like Mardi Gras, the suit sticks out like a sore thumb here. Can't even try to defend it.
Point Radoh.

A House of Cards. A guy in a suit in a big casino hotel does not stand out. If this is the kind of hotel that caters to rich sheikhs, nobody will bat an eyelid at a suit.
Point Wayside.

A Dance With the Devil. You don't really wear the suit to the parties though do you? You wear the suit in the street yeah, but to get inside at all you need a disguise.
Point Wayside.

Ammendment XXV. This is another one of those tourist missions. A guy in a suit may not look obvious in most tourist attractions, but compared to all the stereotypical tourists it does.
Point Radoh.

And we tally the scores and...
It's 6 all.
I've accomplished nothing.

 

[Shocksplicer]

I also love Monty Python.

This isn't Monty Python...

Yeah I am aware of that, but it's the same degree of sillyness.

Not really. Monty Python is about silly comedy. Hitman is about a bald Sociopath murdering people without and is bereft of any levity or humour, and therefore there is no reason why it should have a trailer this silly.

 

[Danceofmasks]

The only thing wrong with the entire scenario is ... if 47 can't take one of those outfits and use it as a disguise.

'cos hitman.

 

[zefiris]

People are really making mountains out of molehills.

You sure are doing so over the complaints, I agree.

I mean 47 does wear a suit which is also highly unpractical.

You clearly never wore a suit before. I'm a girl, I did, and I can tell you that a suit hampers you far less than what the nuns wore. Not to mention that a suit won't attract much attention at all if worn by an adult male. I see countless men wearing suits everyday.

That's why Radoh's examples are pretty silly. Even at those events he described, a man in a suit would cause far, far less attention than these nuns, precisely because of what suits are.

How come I know it, and supposed "men" don't?

I love how people are angry at sexy nuns in a Hitman trailer but were silent when Duke Nukem Forever came out and was infinitely more vulgar.

This is a bad argument that makes you look very, very unintelligent.

Here is why. Not one, but two reasons:

1)The people that are complaining now may not have noticed then, or may have been afraid to speak up, due to gaming culture being focused on sexist nerds, which is changing. Therefore, they are more likely to speak up now. Back then, there were more people like you immediately shrieking about how "unfair" it is for a game to get its sexism called out. This is why things get called out more these days, the gaming culture is slowly stopping its support of gross sexism.

2)This argument ignores the fact that people did complain about Duke Nukem a lot, in fact. I never played it, and complaints about Duke Nukem's gross sexism are things I still remember (like the raped women in some alien ship and Dukem going "well, you're fucked". Also alien wallbreasts). If nobody had complained then, I wouldn't even *KNOW* about these things. I still remember them.

IN short: You're wrong, and your arguments lack even an iota of thought. Is this the best you can do to whiteknight? Really?

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Not really. Monty Python is about silly comedy. Hitman is about a bald Sociopath murdering people without and is bereft of any levity or humour, and therefore there is no reason why it should have a trailer this silly.

Degree of silliness is what I said.
It's a breeze of fresh air to me.

You clearly never wore a suit before. I did, and I can tell you that a suit hampers you far less than what the nuns wore.

It might hamper you less but suits are restrictive when you have to do other stuff than do meetings/desk work/deligate work.

 

[tipp6353]

Ammo Clips are just another name for magazines still or am I that behind the times.

Only Hollywood and gangsters think they are synonyms.

The reason they are not the same thing is because a firearm that is reloaded with clips still requires a magazine (with a spring mechanism) inside it otherwise it wouldn't feed. Clips feed magazines, magazines feed the gun.

Building on that, some firearms do use clips, like the M1 Garand, which used a stripper clip with eight rounds. They were less bulky than magazines, but the downside was that you couldn't reload in the middle. When you fired off the last round, the clip ejected with an audible *ping*.

The M1 didn't use a stripper clip it used a eight round en-bloc clip.

 

[Deadyawn]

Read: "We're not bad guys, honest! We're just dumb."

That's not better IO. Seriously.

(And to be clear, I don't think the people at IO are dumb, that is simply what they're implying)

 

[Akisa]

It wasn't dressing up as a nun or violence to women that bothered me. It was the fact that they decided to wear stripper clothing to be in a gun battle rather than wearing something more apporiate. Also why was no one watching their 6 when they were moving in?

 

[Blunderboy]

I don't see the issue with the nun outfits. That's a pretty good cover up.

But why they were dressed as strippers or whatever in order to assassinate someone is pretty dumb.

They should have pulled a Neo where they rip off the nun outfits and are just loaded up with weapons - and appropriate clothes for a gun fight.

But whatever.

I agree with you. This is the first time I've seen the trailer at all and at first I didn't mind as it made a pretty good cover. But the bondage gear was just silly. It's not going to be comfortable for a shoot out.
Then again they did just line up and shoot, showing no signs of any tactics or training.

Anyway, it does annoy me when companies do this. You made your trailer. Stand by it.
If you thought it might have given offense (and you must have at least contemplated the potential for it) than either don?t release it, or just go for it anyway but prepared for some flak.

 

[Blunderboy]

SNIP

What?
Firstly, stop spending so much money on something you clearly hate.
Secondly, I wear a suit pretty much everyday for work and I've never felt anywhere near as restricted as you seem to find your suit.
I'll admit that a t-shirt and jeans are a tad more comfortable but you're really exaggerating. That or you paid way too much for an ill fitting suit.

 

[IndianaJonny]

... "We were surprised that it turned into such a huge topic. Something similar happened with our Sniper Challenge pre-order bonus... We just wanted to make something cool, it wasn't the intention to stir up anything."

The trailer is actually based on a level in the upcoming Hitman: Absolution called "Attack of the Saints," in which the Agency sends a team of female assassins to punch 47's ticket once and for all. As for why they're dressed like nuns, Blystad explained that it's a combination of the game's natural extremism and the influence of film directors like Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez.

"The grindhouse theme is something that we're using throughout the game," he said. "It tends more towards sixties exploitation movies - these were a fascination [for us] because they were so extreme."

Yeah, I don't buy it, fellas - you didn't see this coming, IO?

But if the above trailer represents the extent of the game's homage to exploitation films, it is not a bad pastiche of the genre. Dingy motels, patched wounds still bleeding but ignored and outrageous (literally outrageous, I guess) fighting. Not that is all there is to this genre, but still, it wasn't bad in that sense.

 

[Legion]

I don't see the issue with the nun outfits. That's a pretty good cover up.

But why they were dressed as strippers or whatever in order to assassinate someone is pretty dumb.

They should have pulled a Neo where they rip off the nun outfits and are just loaded up with weapons - and appropriate clothes for a gun fight.

But whatever.

Exactly my thoughts.

It was the pointlessness of the latex/leather that bothered me more than anything. If he was searching for a target in a strip club, and it turned out that it was a trap and all the girls were actually assassins then fine, I could buy it, but in the trailer there is no logical reason for it at all.

 

[Strazdas]

I got nothing agianst them showing the guy killig nuns, my beef is with the fact that they turned a stealthy assassin into a beat them up mortal combat style.

 

[itsthesheppy]

"Frankly I'm *shocked* that our depiction of a well-dressed white man strangling, beating, and shooting to death a gang of sexualized women provoked a negative response in the year 2012. That is because I'm here as a time traveler from the distant past. Incidentally, what are these 'twitters' and 'internets' everyone is talking about? And why are all these women walking around without chaperones?"

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

You sure are doing so over the complaints, I agree.

Wrong, my original comment is valid, the trailer hardly deserves any of the criticism it gets.

You clearly never wore a suit before. I'm a girl, I did, and I can tell you that a suit hampers you far less than what the nuns wore.

Your wrong again, I'm a guy and suits really restrict your ability to move your arms and shoulders.

 

[Buizel91]

I'm going to hell for laughing at the title of this thread :')

Never paid much attention to the Hitman series, but Hitman isn't exactly the first to stir up a hornets nest (*cough* MW2 *cough*)

 

[bimon_1234567]

You clearly never wore a suit before. I'm a girl, I did, and I can tell you that a suit hampers you far less than what the nuns wore. Not to mention that a suit won't attract much attention at all if worn by an adult male. I see countless men wearing suits everyday.

Being that I own a 1100 USD suit, I am going to flat out call bull shit on this point.
Suits. Suck. Monkey. Ass. No matter how you slice it.

They are tailored, which means any form of physical combat is going to be less believable than showing up in heels.
Part of the tailoring is padding the shoulders which fucks up you mobility in the jacket alone. Driving is the worst task known to man in a suit jacket.
And don't get me started on what it's like to wear a three button rather than a two. That's just even more mobility hampering right there.
The sleeves of the coat generally don't come past the wrist, which added to the padding creates more constriction.

Yeah right, the guy in the 6300 dollar suit is gonna get into a fight. Come on!

 

[itsthesheppy]

You clearly never wore a suit before. I'm a girl, I did, and I can tell you that a suit hampers you far less than what the nuns wore. Not to mention that a suit won't attract much attention at all if worn by an adult male. I see countless men wearing suits everyday.

Being that I own a 1100 USD suit, I am going to flat out call bull shit on this point.
Suits. Suck. Monkey. Ass. No matter how you slice it.

They are tailored, which means any form of physical combat is going to be less believable than showing up in heels.
Part of the tailoring is padding the shoulders which fucks up you mobility in the jacket alone. Driving is the worst task known to man in a suit jacket.
And don't get me started on what it's like to wear a three button rather than a two. That's just even more mobility hampering right there.
The sleeves of the coat generally don't come past the wrist, which added to the padding creates more constriction.

Yeah right, the guy in the 6300 dollar suit is gonna get into a fight. Come on!

^ The winner, ladies and gentlmen.

 

[mindlesspuppet]

I don't see the issue with the nun outfits. That's a pretty good cover up.

But why they were dressed as strippers or whatever in order to assassinate someone is pretty dumb.

They should have pulled a Neo where they rip off the nun outfits and are just loaded up with weapons - and appropriate clothes for a gun fight.

But whatever.

This is the biggest issue I've had with the whole argument over the video. Everyone seems to be questioning "why were they dressed like that to assassinate someone?" yet no one questions "why is he wearing a formal suit to assassinate someone?". The answer to both questions is the same, but only one is being asked.

Side note: The sexy nun as killers/killers disguised as nuns or priests thing has been done so many damn times in cinema that it really shouldn't have even garnered any attention. This just goes to show how immature the gaming media is.

I have no particular problem with a Nun's Habit as a disguise a long as it makes sense in context. Hasn't 42 dressed as a priest on occasion?

Why does it have to make sense? And since when are we given full back stories for events in trailers?

The problem come in when you ask why they are dressing as nuns to perform a hit on a hotel?

That aside, the beginning of the video shows a bus in the background, the "nuns on a bus" schtick is used quite a bit in movies as a means of getting across the Mexican border without much difficulty. Seeing that they are also in a desert, and that Mexico, according to cinema and games, is a safe haven for criminals like assassins, this does make sense.

Why are they dressing a sexy nuns?

Why do they then destroy any pretense of being disguised to by tearing off the habits to revel "sexy nun" bondage gear?

Again, this is pretty common in movies. But for practicality purposes if they didn't tear off the habits and they weren't wearing tight fitting cloths it's probable that the the very large weaponry they were concealing would get caught on the loose material causing all sorts of potential hazards. Of course, I don't believe this was the reason for their apparel, or even that anyone developing the sequence had thought of such.

What I do believe is that the girls brought an excessive amount of fire power to kill one man. It's overkill, plan and simple. Which leads me to the conclusion that not only do they they enjoy what they do but they are also sadists. They aren't trying to be the quiet, cold, professional type of assassin, they are the opposite, the over-the-top psychotic hit squad one only calls when they're desperate. So why are they dressed like that? Because they are having a good time, to add insult to injury, for shits and giggles.

What is an all female "hit team" doing in a Hitman game anyway? Going of the tone of the previous games I have trouble believing that these ladies exist in 42's world.

"Blystad explained that it's a combination of the game's natural extremism and the influence of film directors like Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez."

????????????

If you want to make a game influenced by Kill Bill -- GO MAKE THAT GAME. Don't take another series and then completely change it's aesthetic.

I've always thought of Hitman existing in a 'Bourne Identity', 'Le Samurai' or 'The Professional' style universe. The type that have personality and empathy free individuals who provide murder for money until something changes. How has Hitman ever been in anyway "Exploitation"?

It's been 6 years since the last Hitman. The terrible movie that was made left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. So maybe they felt like it was time to change things up a bit.

Or it could be more simple, they needed to make headlines, and so they did.

Personally I've always felt Hitman has had an exploitation film feel to it. I will say it seems to be taking on a more dominate role in Absolution. However I view this in the same way I view the GTA franchise; GTA at one point could have gone in a direction like Saints Row The Third or they could have gone in a more mature, realistic direction. Hitman could have gone two ways as well.