Homefront: Not so original?

[Savagezion]

Tired of seeing threads about this all over the internet.

Its not original, please just get over it. I'm buying it simply to spite you guys.

and it`ll be an epic win for us because you spent 60 bucks on a game we all knew was crap to begin with :d

Right, because you've played the game.

But even if you haven't, if a game isn't original it automatically sucks, right? Like Uncharted, that was a terrible game because it didn't try anything incredibly risky or unique! It doesn't matter how good the gameplay is, or how great the story is, or how good the characters are, it sucks because IT'S NOT ORIGINAL.

No, I know it sucks because they`re offering another, better game if you prepurchase for no extra cost.
THAT is how I know it sucks.

What game do you get for free? This could be win-win for me as I intend to check out Homeworld anyways. I'll pre-order if the other game sounds good or as you put it is "even better".

I don't expect Homeworld to be the second coming but I am interested to see what they are doing with it.

 

[GreyKnight3445]

Tired of seeing threads about this all over the internet.

Its not original, please just get over it. I'm buying it simply to spite you guys.

and it`ll be an epic win for us because you spent 60 bucks on a game we all knew was crap to begin with :d

Right, because you've played the game.

But even if you haven't, if a game isn't original it automatically sucks, right? Like Uncharted, that was a terrible game because it didn't try anything incredibly risky or unique! It doesn't matter how good the gameplay is, or how great the story is, or how good the characters are, it sucks because IT'S NOT ORIGINAL.

No, I know it sucks because they`re offering another, better game if you prepurchase for no extra cost.
THAT is how I know it sucks.

What game do you get for free? This could be win-win for me as I intend to check out Homeworld anyways. I'll pre-order if the other game sounds good or as you put it is "even better".

I don't expect Homeworld to be the second coming but I am interested to see what they are doing with it.

Homeworld is a good game, but we`re talking about Homefront, and the game is Metro 2033. and I hope you enjoy your purchase.

 

[Savagezion]

Homeworld is a good game, but we`re talking about Homefront, and the game is Metro 2033. and I hope you enjoy your purchase.

ROFL. I used Homeworld in that entire post. Yeah, I meant Homefront. Ironically, I don't care much about Metro 2033. But that isn't a bad deal, I guess. Thanks for the heads up. I am not expecting Homefront to be that original or spectacular. It definitely won't "set a new bar" for anything. But I would be ok with just getting a decent game. Even if it turns out the one I prefer Metro 2033. Thanks all the same.

 

[MrGalactus]

OT: I think we need a game where you play as a resistance fighter who is in a country invaded by the US. THAT would be an interesting story if done right.

THAT would be banned in a second.

Banned by who? Germany?

America. Remember how big of a spazz Fox had when the word Taliban was to be used in MoH? Remember how they got 6 Days In Fallujah banned because it had American soldiers in it that got killed?
A USA = bad guys game will NEVER make it to shelves in the current status quo.

I don't think you understand the meaning of "banned".

...Banned means not allowed to be sold, doesn't it? I know MoH wasn't banned, and I know 6DIF just never got finished, but I'm saying a game with USA as the bad guys would either be banned or abandoned because of the controversial material. I used MoH and 6DIF as examples of the American reaction to things like this.
I know what banned means. No need to condescend.

 

[GreyKnight3445]

Homeworld is a good game, but we`re talking about Homefront, and the game is Metro 2033. and I hope you enjoy your purchase.

ROFL. I used Homeworld in that entire post. Yeah, I meant Homefront. Ironically, I don't care much about Metro 2033. But that isn't a bad deal, I guess. Thanks for the heads up. I am not expecting Homefront to be that original or spectacular. It definitely won't "set a new bar" for anything. But I would be ok with just getting a decent game. Even if it turns out the one I prefer Metro 2033. Thanks all the same.

Anytime mate ^^b

 

[DeadProxy]

EDIT: I just noticed they never mention Canada, and when the EMP goes off it shows it doesn't effect Canada.. anyone want to speculate what they plan to say about that, if anything?

Cause canada is filled with igloos and polar bears o.o they dont got none of those fancy technical thingamajiggers

 

[DeadProxy]

I've been trying to wonder what the big deal with this game was too. Apparently the big deal seems to be...nothing. I was right all along. My powers of clairvoyance continue to amaze me.

Technically, shouldnt you already know that your clairvoyance is gonna work, so in effect you shouldnt be amazed as you knew it was going to happen...just like you knew i was going to write this.

 

[Nocola]

EDIT: I just noticed they never mention Canada, and when the EMP goes off it shows it doesn't effect Canada.. anyone want to speculate what they plan to say about that, if anything?

Cause canada is filled with igloos and polar bears o.o they dont got none of those fancy technical thingamajiggers

Correct! I myself am currently operating this computer with a generator hooked up to a treadmill, powered in turn by my polar bear... Steve.

 

[Thanatos5150]

EDIT: I just noticed they never mention Canada, and when the EMP goes off it shows it doesn't effect Canada.. anyone want to speculate what they plan to say about that, if anything?

Cause canada is filled with igloos and polar bears o.o they dont got none of those fancy technical thingamajiggers

Correct! I myself am currently operating this computer with a generator hooked up to a treadmill, powered in turn by my polar bear... Steve.

More likely, Americans cease being concerned with Canada after they're conquered. It's a perfectly legitimate reason.

 

[Nocola]

EDIT: I just noticed they never mention Canada, and when the EMP goes off it shows it doesn't effect Canada.. anyone want to speculate what they plan to say about that, if anything?

Cause canada is filled with igloos and polar bears o.o they dont got none of those fancy technical thingamajiggers

Correct! I myself am currently operating this computer with a generator hooked up to a treadmill, powered in turn by my polar bear... Steve.

More likely, Americans cease being concerned with Canada after they're conquered. It's a perfectly legitimate reason.

Too true, however just because the Americans in the game cease being concerned with Canada, doesn't mean they just disappear. You know what I mean? It's just irritating that (and of course I'm just speculating because the game isn't out yet) the second largest country in the world is just not in the picture, considering they talk about how this is a global event.

 

[Spade Lead]

Im hoping this will have a similar sorta feel to freedom fighters. Remember that game? It was a real good time!

That was exactly the game I was thinking of when everyone started bitching that it was unoriginal and naming off current gen games.

So what if the premise has been done before. It will have a unique and original storyline, precisely because the author of Red Dawn has done this type of story before. I think it will be good, but I still won't pick it up right away. Money is tight and I want my flying fix with Ace Combat 7...

 

[SyphonX]

I saw a preview of it the other day, and it looked exactly like Call of Duty. Same shooting style, camera perspective and UI elements.

There didn't seem to be any "guerrilla warfare, trying to survive features that were present. Total knock-off and uninspiring, and comes across as an overly patriotic war-propaganda piece. Not on my radar anymore.

 

[gentleben]

I want to see a game where you play as a small group of guerilla fighters from an invaded country fighting against the American invading force. Realism-wise, any game where you're playing as America being invaded by anyone is too far fetched. On the other hand, an invasion by America of a country with an inadequate military force (even if only in numbers, like Australia or England) presents a far more believable backdrop, especially if the countries are currently allies, leaving room for the equally technologically advanced but smaller country's army to be taken unaware.

I get that Americans are sometimes the highly nationalistic type, but would anyone be truly averse to a game where America was the bad guy (even if it was established that actions of the country were wrong)? I assume the American media would strongly protest against the game (I think back to the Medal of Honour taliban fiasco), but does anyone think that it would prevent the game itself from being commercially viable in the US?

 

[Jazoni89]

Im loving the fact that everyone shoots Koreans, and noone doesn't batters a eyelid, while if someone shot a American in the game there would be a uproar.

I hate everything this game stands for, and that is the whole patriotic bullshit crap.

Plus it's so fucking far fetched it's unreal. All America would need is one nuclear missile to end that war.

China however...

 

[SyphonX]

... but would anyone be truly averse to a game where America was the bad guy (even if it was established that actions of the country were wrong)?

No, that would be too realistic.

Besides, America doesn't invade other countries, or imprison people without trial, and it certainly doesn't have an empire with a propaganda-arm they like to call the "media".

I don't know where you get your information from, but I've already reported you to one of the newly founded American defense agencies.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I assume the American media would strongly protest against the game (I think back to the Medal of Honour taliban fiasco), but does anyone think that it would prevent the game itself from being commercially viable in the US?

The game, taken in a vaccum, would probably be commercially viable. However, taken in context of the pressure any Publisher would find themselves under for attempting it would make it a completely different scenario.

 

[Sandjube]

Edit: Thanatos, you're crazy. HL2 is amazing, and I'm not that much of a valve fan. Also, I first played the game only a couple years ago. A 2004 game managed to be incredible even by todays standards

(NOTE: Minor grammar edits were made in the above, just because they're pet peeves of mine.)
I'd posit that I simply have a different taste for games than you. Among the things which killed the HL2 experience for me were:
No Iron Sights/Precision Aim system, short of a few specialized weapons
Labyrinthine maps
Uninteresting, faceless antagonists
Uninteresting protagonists
Uninteresting PC
Ill-handled tropes in feeble attempts to push the plot forward.

Not to mention hugely overextended driving around in a hoverboat or a car. I hated that so much.

 

[Dethpixie]

I do not know that for fact, it's just a trend in modern games that I didn't necessarily expect Homefront to break from. I'm open to being pleasantly surprised if it does I just don't expect much in the way of innovation.

I actually recently picked up Shadow of Chernobyl and I absolutely love it despite how thoroughly it kicks my ass. I guess what I'm saying is I'd like more games to take a hint from STALKER's design choices.

That's true. Even Bad Company 2 didn't deviate too far from the CoD path, tho it is a much better game than MW2 or Blops. Actually, it's a bit like STALKER in that you can only survive a few bullets and you have to tape a med kit to your face to not die, at least in multiplayer. But it still feels like just another samey shooter during the single player. At least it has some more colors besides brown, grey-brown, and slightly greenish-brown. I imagine that Homefront will feature a lot of brown, grey, and red (blood).

If you liked STALKER SoC, you'd really like Call of Pripyat. It takes what SoC did and improves on it vastly. It's a more balanced, more terrifying, more atmospheric game. The biggest improvement is the Heads Up Display, the armor and weapon systems, and the medical system. Best realistic shooter i have ever played.

Dunno if you played it, but you might also like Metro 2033. It's a lot like STALKER, but i hope you don't rely on stealth too much cuz Metro's stealth system is shot to hell and back.

I prefer the Battlefield games over CoD by a wide margin. There is definitely something much more intense about being left at 10% health after a firefight and having to find a medic, or having to relocate after popping off a few sniper rounds for fear of a tank spotting you. The single player in Bad Company 2 was very generic though, would have been nice to see some of what made the multiplayer so awesome translate.

Yeah, I plan to pick up Call of Pripyat after I finish SoC, it's a great series.

Metro 2033 looks really cool, alas I'm poor so I'm waiting on it to come down in price before I pick it up.

I think it'd be cool to see the STALKER style of mechanics implemented in a modern (or modern-ish) shooter. Play as a soldier in a rebel army, that is again NOT AMERICAN, utilizing ambushes and raids to fight against a occupying force or oppressive government. I think this would be a cool idea that very few (if any) people seem to have tried. Almost all modern shooters seem to turn into hyper-macho bulletfests and very few require any thought. Though it'd probably get "Six Days in Fallujah'd" for some bullshit reason.

 

[Ironman126]

I prefer the Battlefield games over CoD by a wide margin. There is definitely something much more intense about being left at 10% health after a firefight and having to find a medic, or having to relocate after popping off a few sniper rounds for fear of a tank spotting you. The single player in Bad Company 2 was very generic though, would have been nice to see some of what made the multiplayer so awesome translate.

Yeah, I plan to pick up Call of Pripyat after I finish SoC, it's a great series.

Metro 2033 looks really cool, alas I'm poor so I'm waiting on it to come down in price before I pick it up.

I think it'd be cool to see the STALKER style of mechanics implemented in a modern (or modern-ish) shooter. Play as a soldier in a rebel army, that is again NOT AMERICAN, utilizing ambushes and raids to fight against a occupying force or oppressive government. I think this would be a cool idea that very few (if any) people seem to have tried. Almost all modern shooters seem to turn into hyper-macho bulletfests and very few require any thought. Though it'd probably get "Six Days in Fallujah'd" for some bullshit reason.

There is a reason so few devs have gone the STALKER route. It isn't what sells. Tell me the average Xbox live user would rather play a combo of Battlefield and STALKER over a boom-fest like Halo or CoD? CoD is accessible, easy to play, and provides hours of mindless "entertainment." A game like that is also easy to make and there are plenty of games to copy the design of. A dev may have a great idea for a game, but the publisher wants something that will sell for sure. Thus, we end up with 6,000 CoD/Halo styled games and only five or six STALKER/Battlefield styled games.

On topic, Homefront is definitely not the most original concept for a game, but perhaps the gameplay will make up for it. I sure wouldn't mind playing as a rag-tag American freedom fighter if i actually got to play like a rag-tag freedom fighter (ambushes, booby-traps, hit-and-run tactics). I'm also not in it for the singleplayer. In my experience, the campaigns of most games are terrible compared to their multiplayer (exceptions being Half-Life 2, Frontlines (another KAOS game) and most RTS games). If the multiplayer for Homefront is like BBC2, then it'll be a well spent $50. And it is looking like it will be similar. I even think the buildings/terrain are breakable

On STALKER/Metro. Metro is a good game. It starts out good, gets really dodgy half way through (stealth mechanics are to blame), then finishes marvelously. STALKER Call or Pripyat is a lot of fun, but frustrating. Not in the SoC "get your ass handed to you a lot) way. More of the "You're making me grind tasks and find artifacts that never spawn to pay for travel" way. Later, ammo and guns are free, but only in limited amounts. And you have to pay to travel between zones to win. Makes the game drag less, but if you are like me and must own every unique gun in the game, it gets annoying. But, i'll spoil no more for you.

 

[XT inc]

Im just glad to see a shooter that isn't in the desert, and I guess its as close to red dawn as we can get to a game since freedom fighters.