Homophobisms

[Boris Goodenough]

Straight guy here, I have been groped and slapped by gay guys, I take it as a compliment.

 

[octafish]

In my late twenties I was hit on quite frequently by gay men at my local pub. Fair dues though my local pub was a gay bar the odds were good that it would happen. Recently I was hit on by a guy when I was at a bar catching up with friends, it was a bit of an ego boost. I was a little disappointed when I found out he had also hit on the two friends I was catching up with...

 

[Sansha]

Homophobia in straight males: The fear that a gay man will treat them the way they treat women.

I'm gay and it's stupid. I've encountered it, and I did indeed enjoy telling him not to flatter himself.
It's depressing, really...

This is the best statement about this. It's all ignorance and stupidity; the idea that all men are all horny, all the time, and will latch onto anything remotely attractive.

 

[Lieju]

I'm lesbian, and I've encountered kinda the opposite of that.

"You're lesbian? So THAT'S why you aren't hopelessly infatuated with me!"

Yeah, that's very likely the ONLY reason.

 

[LadyRhian]

In fact I've never seen a gay guy hit on a straight guy period. Why would they? Have you ever encountered someone like this?

For the same reason straight guys hit on lesbians?

Also yes, yes I have.

Some hetero guys seem to think that gay women really are missing a hefty dose of man-meat, and that all they need to do is shag the gay girl without mercy and she'll suddenly be hetero (or at least bi. The guy wants to watch the girl on girl action, and then nail both of them). Why else do you think it's such a popular trope in porno flicks?

 

[tobi the good boy]

In fact I've never seen a gay guy hit on a straight guy period. Why would they? Have you ever encountered someone like this?

For the same reason straight guys hit on lesbians?

Also yes, yes I have.

Some hetero guys seem to think that gay women really are missing a hefty dose of man-meat, and that all they need to do is shag the gay girl without mercy and she'll suddenly be hetero (or at least bi. The guy wants to watch the girl on girl action, and then nail both of them). Why else do you think it's such a popular trope in porno flicks?

Actually I believe he was referencing something more along the lines of not knowing whether the person they hit on might be gay or not.

 

[LadyRhian]

In fact I've never seen a gay guy hit on a straight guy period. Why would they? Have you ever encountered someone like this?

For the same reason straight guys hit on lesbians?

Also yes, yes I have.

Some hetero guys seem to think that gay women really are missing a hefty dose of man-meat, and that all they need to do is shag the gay girl without mercy and she'll suddenly be hetero (or at least bi. The guy wants to watch the girl on girl action, and then nail both of them). Why else do you think it's such a popular trope in porno flicks?

Actually I believe he was referencing something more along the lines of not knowing whether the person they hit on might be gay or not.

True. But those guys who feel that way would only feel it was a bonus if the girl they were hitting on turned out to be gay, because of the above. Though it's not like people come with a sexual orientation tattooed on their forehead. You can't always tell.

 

[The Diabolical Biz]

A really good friend of mine is bi, and he often jokes that he 'would'.

I can't tell if he's joking, so it's kinda awkward.

If you said that to a girl, would you be joking?

There's your answer.

Ah, now, this is what I would think under normal circumstances, but you really have to know him to understand.

He's usually quite blunt about this kind of thing, yet he often has the same manner when deadly serious as when taking the royal piss.

Makes it hard to tell.

EDIT: It's not really like I give a crap anyway, he's a great pal.

 

[MorganL4]

been hit on. didnt give a fuck. he understood and left me alone.
maybe we should talk about how insane it is to be able to do the Gay panic defense.

The gay panic defense[1] is a legal defense against charges of assault or murder. A defendant using the gay panic defense claims that he or she acted in a state of violent temporary insanity because of a little-known psychiatric condition called homosexual panic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

i totally killed that cat because....uhm.... cat panic defense mechanism.

I have multiple gay friends, none of them have ever hit on me (of course one is a lesbian, so it'd be kinda odd if she was to hit on me ) Never been hit on. I don't doubt that it happens, I mean not everyone has a prefect gaydar.

but as far as that gay panic defense thing goes, it's bullshit.... That makes as much sense as someone saying "I have gingerphobia and a readhead hit on me, now they are dead, but it isn't my fault they made me crazy."

 

[Woodsey]

You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?

homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia

 

[Bat Vader]

I have never been hit on by anyone. I consider that a good thing because I absolutely hate the idea of anyone hitting on me. That means I have to tell them no and that takes a lot of work.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?

homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia

Thanks for the definition Woodsey, but as illogical as it may seem , when I see the suffix "phobia" attached to the morpheme homo I think:

ho·mo
   [hoh-moh] Show IPA
noun, plural ho·mos. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a homosexual.

and

pho·bi·a
   [foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun, suffix
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Because of this, I conclude that the words means "a fear of homosexuals". Of course your oxford dictionary definition doesn't necessarily contest my conclusion. It states that homophobia is, "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuals", and we can see in our definition of "phobia" that fear would cause an "aversion" or "compelling desire to avoid thing/person/situation/place."

We can even look at the etymology of the word which is:

Coined by George Weinberg in the 1960s,[9] the term homophobia is a blend of the word homosexual, itself a mix of neo-classical morphemes, and (2) phobia from the Greek φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear".

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.

 

[Avatar Roku]

You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?

homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia

Thanks for the definition Woodsey, but as illogical as it may seem , when I see the suffix "phobia" attached to the morpheme homo I think:

ho·mo
   [hoh-moh] Show IPA
noun, plural ho·mos. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a homosexual.

and

pho·bi·a
   [foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun, suffix
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Because of this, I conclude that the words means "a fear of homosexuals". Of course your oxford dictionary definition doesn't necessarily contest my conclusion. It states that homophobia is, "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuals", and we can see in our definition of "phobia" that fear would cause an "aversion" or "compelling desire to avoid thing/person/situation/place."

We can even look at the etymology of the word which is:

Coined by George Weinberg in the 1960s,[9] the term homophobia is a blend of the word homosexual, itself a mix of neo-classical morphemes, and (2) phobia from the Greek φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear".

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.

You are splitting hairs. Whether or not the term is technically correct, you damn sure know what someone means when they use it.

 

[Easton Dark]

I dunno how many gay people I hang around, but I wish they did hit on me. That'd be a self-esteem bonus, attractive to both sexes, Achievement unlocked.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?

homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia

Thanks for the definition Woodsey, but as illogical as it may seem , when I see the suffix "phobia" attached to the morpheme homo I think:

ho·mo
   [hoh-moh] Show IPA
noun, plural ho·mos. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a homosexual.

and

pho·bi·a
   [foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun, suffix
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Because of this, I conclude that the words means "a fear of homosexuals". Of course your oxford dictionary definition doesn't necessarily contest my conclusion. It states that homophobia is, "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuals", and we can see in our definition of "phobia" that fear would cause an "aversion" or "compelling desire to avoid thing/person/situation/place."

We can even look at the etymology of the word which is:

Coined by George Weinberg in the 1960s,[9] the term homophobia is a blend of the word homosexual, itself a mix of neo-classical morphemes, and (2) phobia from the Greek φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear".

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.

You are splitting hairs. Whether or not the term is technically correct, you damn sure know what someone means when they use it.

Yeah, I know what they mean. Whether or not I understood their meaning was never in question. I have seen tons of people on his forum discuss terminology/grammar/etymology, so why is it wrong or "splitting hairs" now? Also, if a discussion about language is boring or trite to you, your in no way obligated to respond.

 

[Goofguy]

Never been hit on myself. I don't really hang out too often in places that would have people (gay or straight) hitting on others. I have yet to see a romantic tale of "love at first sight" blossom in a local pub.

 

[Avatar Roku]

You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?

homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia

Thanks for the definition Woodsey, but as illogical as it may seem , when I see the suffix "phobia" attached to the morpheme homo I think:

ho·mo
   [hoh-moh] Show IPA
noun, plural ho·mos. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a homosexual.

and

pho·bi·a
   [foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun, suffix
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Because of this, I conclude that the words means "a fear of homosexuals". Of course your oxford dictionary definition doesn't necessarily contest my conclusion. It states that homophobia is, "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuals", and we can see in our definition of "phobia" that fear would cause an "aversion" or "compelling desire to avoid thing/person/situation/place."

We can even look at the etymology of the word which is:

Coined by George Weinberg in the 1960s,[9] the term homophobia is a blend of the word homosexual, itself a mix of neo-classical morphemes, and (2) phobia from the Greek φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear".

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.

You are splitting hairs. Whether or not the term is technically correct, you damn sure know what someone means when they use it.

Yeah, I know what they mean. Whether or not I understood their meaning was never in question. I have seen tons of people on his forum discuss terminology/grammar/etymology, so why is it wrong or "splitting hairs" now? Also, if a discussion about language is boring or trite to you, your in no way obligated to respond.

My apologies. I have had this argument a lot, but it tended to involve way more people becoming disproportionately offended by the very idea of the word "homophobia", which tends to get on my nerves. That did not happen in this case, however, and I am sorry for assuming.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

homophobia

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.

If you want to get pedantic, why stop at phobia? Homo is just a slang term. When used in a scientific context it means either "Homo [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo]" the genus of modern humans, or a greek-derived prefix meaning "the same". So I suppose "homonegative" would technically mean something that is not human.

Point being, getting pedantic with language is hypocritical, because if you look too hard nothing we say actually makes logical sense.


On topic: I assume everyone wants me because I'm a narcissist, not because I'm a homophobe.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

You used the word "homophobia", but I think you mean people that hate gay people, not people that are afraid of them?

homophobia

noun
[mass noun]
an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/homophobia?q=homophobia

Thanks for the definition Woodsey, but as illogical as it may seem , when I see the suffix "phobia" attached to the morpheme homo I think:

ho·mo
   [hoh-moh] Show IPA
noun, plural ho·mos. Slang: Disparaging and Offensive .
a homosexual.

and

pho·bi·a
   [foh-bee-uh] Show IPA
noun, suffix
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Because of this, I conclude that the words means "a fear of homosexuals". Of course your oxford dictionary definition doesn't necessarily contest my conclusion. It states that homophobia is, "an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuals", and we can see in our definition of "phobia" that fear would cause an "aversion" or "compelling desire to avoid thing/person/situation/place."

We can even look at the etymology of the word which is:

Coined by George Weinberg in the 1960s,[9] the term homophobia is a blend of the word homosexual, itself a mix of neo-classical morphemes, and (2) phobia from the Greek φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear".

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.

You are splitting hairs. Whether or not the term is technically correct, you damn sure know what someone means when they use it.

Yeah, I know what they mean. Whether or not I understood their meaning was never in question. I have seen tons of people on his forum discuss terminology/grammar/etymology, so why is it wrong or "splitting hairs" now? Also, if a discussion about language is boring or trite to you, your in no way obligated to respond.

My apologies. I have had this argument a lot, but it tended to involve way more people becoming disproportionately offended by the very idea of the word "homophobia", which tends to get on my nerves. That did not happen in this case, however, and I am sorry for assuming.

I accept your apology, and I can see why you would have thought that. Personal, I'm not offended by the term homophobia; as the term doesn't apply to me, and in some cases I actually think it's a good word to describe individuals(those individuals being the ones that are literally afraid of homosexuality, as in they think being around a gay person will make them gay, or some other nonsense), I just think using the term to describe any opposition to homosexuality is a little weird linguistically speaking. Also, I have seen people get offended by the terms pejorative nature which is kind of silly. Although, I guess the people that would be offend by the term already stupidly hate gay people, so maybe we should expect them to be stupidly offended by the term.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

homophobia

The term has little scientific standing, and is for the most part a pejorative term. So, I would suggest the term "Homonegativity" or "homonegativism" in order to avoid the term "homophobia", which is regarded as being unscientific in its presumption of motivation.

If you want to get pedantic, why stop at phobia? Homo is just a slang term. When used in a scientific context it means either "Homo [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo]" the genus of modern humans, or a greek-derived prefix meaning "the same". So I suppose "homonegative" would technically mean something that is not human.

Point being, getting pedantic with language is hypocritical, because if you look too hard nothing we say actually makes logical sense.


On topic: I assume everyone wants me because I'm a narcissist, not because I'm a homophobe.

In general I consider myself a descriptivist. I'm not overly concerned with the rules of language and will happily agree that natural languages in general are irregular, and because of this could be seen as illogical. I simply made a statement about the usage of the word to which someone replied by posting an oxford definition. I Then replied in in the same manner to support my original claim.