How come no one's allowed to hate stuff anymore?

[Talshere]

No bacon.........Breath. I can handle this....I can go with a dislike of bacon....
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COFFEE!!!! YOU HATE COFFEE >.- GTFO!!!!!!

Seriously though,

As a student whenever deadlines are coming up I live on coffee as I try and jam a 200 hour recommended work time into the day its due in.

I dont get how you can hate though. Hate implies a dislike for something so strong you cannot bare to even be in a room with it. Ive never come across someone with such a pathological hate of a food.

To hate a smell. Ok, it makes some ppl physically sick. Same with sight. But to hate the food itself, especially it it does not illicit the previously stated reactions? Really? Isn't that going a little overboard?

Going past the use of the word hate and going instead for dislike, I cant see any logical reason to even come to loggerheads with someone over this other than possibly a heated moral argument.

 

[astrav1]

Don't worry about hating bacon. But you can't hate bacon because it's BACON. Unless you mean British bacon in which case I understand. What is your take on vests.

 

[maiiau]

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And? I didn't say Elvis didn't revolutionize music. You've ignored the point of what I said twice now.

See above. Merely pointing out irony, argument not initialized.

Okay, back to my original point, then: you go about explaining your hatred in ways that cherry picks little bits of information that agrees with your point of view rather than takes into account the whole piece of information, and your tone tends toward "these are the ways my opinion is actual fact, and not just an opinion" when like or dislike can never be anything but opinion.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You're right about the 2 dimensional thing. Only if there were more, that would involve actual face to face communication, with no pause to think and no one who could moderate fast enough. (Not argument, merely observation)

Problem being, you'd lose research, images and video. It's all swings and roundabouts.

 

[Caravaggio]

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And? I didn't say Elvis didn't revolutionize music. You've ignored the point of what I said twice now.

See above. Merely pointing out irony, argument not initialized.

Okay, back to my original point, then: you go about explaining your hatred in ways that cherry picks little bits of information that agrees with your point of view rather than takes into account the whole piece of information, and your tone tends toward "these are the ways my opinion is actual fact, and not just an opinion" when like or dislike can never be anything but opinion.

I concede in saying that like and dislike are subjective views, but what I meant is that my side of the argument is based in facts, not opinion, i. e. the health issues.

 

[deathbydeath]

with me, it's minecraft. there are some people who i hang out with who like/love it. some people are minecraft haters(only one has hated it), and one kid i know plays it and denies it when a minecraft flame-war comes up. me? i'm getting the alpha/beta really soon

 

[Canid117]

BURN HIM!!!! HAIL THE ALMIGHTY BACON!!!!!!!!!

PRAISE IT!!!! PRAISE IT NOW!!!!!!!

 

[beniki]

How can you lose a friend over bacon? It's... it's bacon! It's a pretty tasty strip of meat and fat. Is it really the fact you don't like bacon they're annoyed over, or the fact you won't join in the joke?

I mean it's not like it was Marmite (All hail the Black Goo God).

I don't think that everybody likes marmite as much as you do

[link/]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am6fco14Gi0[/link]

As it should be

Marmite is something you either love or hate, and they even advertise it like that.

 

[Caravaggio]

Judging by how you've explained your dislike of the Beatles (for the record, my opinion on the Beatles is that I can take them or leave them), I'd say it was because you seem to make it sound like your opinion is the right one and people should conform to it, when really they have as much right to like bacon as you do to dislike it. If you're constantly going around making people feel defensive about their choices and acting superior, they won't want to hang around you. I've never gotten anyone angry at me for saying I dislike coffee or don't drink alcohol, so I can't imagine why just that sort of thing would cause people to stop speaking to you.

You see though, my arguments aren't to prove that my opinion is superior. Just that is actually logical and based in facts. based on music wavelength, Beatles music is far from anything that most of the world considers rock e. g. Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, etc. and Elvis's music is rather close (And, I remind you, Elvis came first). They did not innovate anything new other than what I previously mentioned and if you can find me an example of another innovation originally made by them and you back it up then I will admit fault, but by all logic the Beatles did not invent rock and roll.

Logic is subjective, and facts are alterable.

The way you are wording your responses is implying that you posses more facts, and that whilst your opinion is based on logic, the other persons is not, and therefore less valid.

The language you are using is abrasive. You call people childish, and keep re-directing points to well trodden territory where you are comfortable you can win, such as the healthiness of bacon, and the legitimacy of the Beatles creating rock and roll. You see these minor victories as proof of your own intelligence.

You are afraid to actually confront the real point of the person you are quoting.

In short, you're no fun.

... Then again, you can save yourself with answering the most important question of all.

You like marmite?

What you just said about logic and facts literally contradicts the definitions of the words.

Also, if a previously made point trumps a new argument, then it is my duty to restate the previously made point. That does not make me no fun, it makes me rational.

I did not specify that any person is childish. I merely stated that the idea of doing what I specified is itself childish.

When have I not confronted the point of a quote? Seriously, I'm honest and will right my mistake if it truly is one.

Marmite? Never had it.

 

[Caravaggio]

You're right about the 2 dimensional thing. Only if there were more, that would involve actual face to face communication, with no pause to think and no one who could moderate fast enough. (Not argument, merely observation)

Problem being, you'd lose research, images and video. It's all swings and roundabouts.

Very true, though what I was trying to say is that if there were a more than 2 dimensional communication based on a forum, then the above difficulties would arise.

 

[maiiau]

But that doesn't mean someone can't like coffee in spite of its health issues. Why bring up a laundry list of reasons why this is bad for you/not innovative/whatever when the topic at hand is liking or disliking something, and then starting arguments over it? I like bacon, you don't. Okay, whatever. Bring up arguments as to why that thing, and therefore the person's opinion, is bad, is just asking for arguments.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Well then, your opinion is one I disagree with but I must mention that I never once have directly insulted a person on this thread, only the views of a general mass of people. Also I have not yet broken and sworn.

Then you're being condescending in addition to being the normal sort of insulting. Ah, scratch that: you've been condescending the whole time already. Every time you cite "it tastes bad" as a reason why you hate bacon, you tell everyone who does like bacon that they somehow misinterpreted their own taste buds when they thought it tasted good to them, or that they're too stupid to distinguish between good tastes and bad tastes.

 

[kikon9]

If your friends are dumb enough to dislike you because you don't like coffee or bacon, you may need to reassess your social standing in life and get some friends who are actually friendly. Yes, I like bacon, but a good friend of mine is a vegetarian, I respect the fact she doesn't eat meat in the same way I respect the fact that you hate bacon.

 

[claw38]

Mostly music...oh my god, anytime I disagree with anyone's taste in music, it brings about a hellfire worthy of the devil himself.
For example, if my friends blather on about how Tim Mcgraw is the best musician since the Beatles, and I don't like him, then I become a top 10 wanted man on their list.
Everything else is usually a bit more relaxed..but people are way too touchy about music.
If you don't like my favorite band that's perfectly fine...just don't kill me for disagreeing with your taste if I don't agree with it.

 

[beniki]

Judging by how you've explained your dislike of the Beatles (for the record, my opinion on the Beatles is that I can take them or leave them), I'd say it was because you seem to make it sound like your opinion is the right one and people should conform to it, when really they have as much right to like bacon as you do to dislike it. If you're constantly going around making people feel defensive about their choices and acting superior, they won't want to hang around you. I've never gotten anyone angry at me for saying I dislike coffee or don't drink alcohol, so I can't imagine why just that sort of thing would cause people to stop speaking to you.

You see though, my arguments aren't to prove that my opinion is superior. Just that is actually logical and based in facts. based on music wavelength, Beatles music is far from anything that most of the world considers rock e. g. Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, etc. and Elvis's music is rather close (And, I remind you, Elvis came first). They did not innovate anything new other than what I previously mentioned and if you can find me an example of another innovation originally made by them and you back it up then I will admit fault, but by all logic the Beatles did not invent rock and roll.

Logic is subjective, and facts are alterable.

The way you are wording your responses is implying that you posses more facts, and that whilst your opinion is based on logic, the other persons is not, and therefore less valid.

The language you are using is abrasive. You call people childish, and keep re-directing points to well trodden territory where you are comfortable you can win, such as the healthiness of bacon, and the legitimacy of the Beatles creating rock and roll. You see these minor victories as proof of your own intelligence.

You are afraid to actually confront the real point of the person you are quoting.

In short, you're no fun.

... Then again, you can save yourself with answering the most important question of all.

You like marmite?

What you just said about logic and facts literally contradicts the definitions of the words.

Also, if a previously made point trumps a new argument, then it is my duty to restate the previously made point. That does not make me no fun, it makes me rational.

I did not specify that any person is childish. I merely stated that the idea of doing what I specified is itself childish.

When have I not confronted the point of a quote? Seriously, I'm honest and will right my mistake if it truly is one.

Marmite? Never had it.

Logic alters based on the mind of the person using it. Mass Effect 2 describes this better than I could. Facts change with an alarming regularity. The world was flat, then was round, then was a squished ball. The molecule was the smallest thing in the world, then atoms, then quarks, now some equations no one really understands.

The previous post talks about the way you presented your argument, and not the content of it. You ignored this, instead focusing on proving you were right about the Beatles. Restating a point about them doesn't 'trump' and argument, but redirects it.

You are not confronting the post. Read again, and see how many lines are written about the Beatles, and how much is written about how you speak to people. Read yours again, and do the same analysis.

Ideas are people. Call their ideas childish, and you call them childish. If I could borrow your motto; 'You are what you think.'

And try marmite. On toast. Or vegemite. I'm not sure what you have in the States anymore, it's been years since I lived there.

 

[Caravaggio]

But that doesn't mean someone can't like coffee in spite of its health issues. Why bring up a laundry list of reasons why this is bad for you/not innovative/whatever when the topic at hand is liking or disliking something, and then starting arguments over it? I like bacon, you don't. Okay, whatever. Bring up arguments as to why that thing, and therefore the person's opinion, is bad, is just asking for arguments.

Ok, I admit your arguments are valid. Only the original point was how people have begun to discriminate against people for opinions that are unimportant such as whether bacon is good or if the Beatles are good, not about the arguments themselves. I apologize for straying so far from my original intention and thank you for bringing me back full circle.

 

[Thundero13]

Well, after telling people that i'm vegeetarian they generally say "Really, I can't imagine living without eating (insert meat type here)"

 

[Requx]

I agree with you on video games all the way, but they are kinda fun theres just better, its why I dont get sports games but bacon is the shit. You should eat more of it so you get attuned, and while I can drink coffee I don't because the taste is okay but I'd rather have tea.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

Its funny how people seem to be able to overcome different religious beliefs, but shun one another over coffee and bacon. Its the little things.

and remember

 

[Caravaggio]

Judging by how you've explained your dislike of the Beatles (for the record, my opinion on the Beatles is that I can take them or leave them), I'd say it was because you seem to make it sound like your opinion is the right one and people should conform to it, when really they have as much right to like bacon as you do to dislike it. If you're constantly going around making people feel defensive about their choices and acting superior, they won't want to hang around you. I've never gotten anyone angry at me for saying I dislike coffee or don't drink alcohol, so I can't imagine why just that sort of thing would cause people to stop speaking to you.

You see though, my arguments aren't to prove that my opinion is superior. Just that is actually logical and based in facts. based on music wavelength, Beatles music is far from anything that most of the world considers rock e. g. Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, etc. and Elvis's music is rather close (And, I remind you, Elvis came first). They did not innovate anything new other than what I previously mentioned and if you can find me an example of another innovation originally made by them and you back it up then I will admit fault, but by all logic the Beatles did not invent rock and roll.

Logic is subjective, and facts are alterable.

The way you are wording your responses is implying that you posses more facts, and that whilst your opinion is based on logic, the other persons is not, and therefore less valid.

The language you are using is abrasive. You call people childish, and keep re-directing points to well trodden territory where you are comfortable you can win, such as the healthiness of bacon, and the legitimacy of the Beatles creating rock and roll. You see these minor victories as proof of your own intelligence.

You are afraid to actually confront the real point of the person you are quoting.

In short, you're no fun.

... Then again, you can save yourself with answering the most important question of all.

You like marmite?

What you just said about logic and facts literally contradicts the definitions of the words.

Also, if a previously made point trumps a new argument, then it is my duty to restate the previously made point. That does not make me no fun, it makes me rational.

I did not specify that any person is childish. I merely stated that the idea of doing what I specified is itself childish.

When have I not confronted the point of a quote? Seriously, I'm honest and will right my mistake if it truly is one.

Marmite? Never had it.

Logic alters based on the mind of the person using it. Mass Effect 2 describes this better than I could. Facts change with an alarming regularity. The world was flat, then was round, then was a squished ball. The molecule was the smallest thing in the world, then atoms, then quarks, now some equations no one really understands.

The previous post talks about the way you presented your argument, and not the content of it. You ignored this, instead focusing on proving you were right about the Beatles. Restating a point about them doesn't 'trump' and argument, but redirects it.

You are not confronting the post. Read again, and see how many lines are written about the Beatles, and how much is written about how you speak to people. Read yours again, and do the same analysis.

Ideas are people. Call their ideas childish, and you call them childish. If I could borrow your motto; 'You are what you think.'

And try marmite. On toast. Or vegemite. I'm not sure what you have in the States anymore, it's been years since I lived there.

It seems you have a point about my regards to the presentation of my argument. When I went into my breakdown of the Beatles' innovation, it was meant as an example of presenting an argument objectively.

I do admit now that facts change with time, only I must say that as time went on, the fact in your example increased in truth, for now we know the truth of the shape of the world (for certain, since we can see it from space now)

Thank you for reminding me of my motto. I guess I meant it as forewarning about letting ideas polarize. A danger that has obviously shown its potential in this very thread. You've helped me be more introspective of myself instead of condemning others, and I appreciate it.

Now I wish to re-direct. How do you feel about the topic at hand, people discriminating against those with opinions on existential things such as bacon or the Beatles that conflict with their own opinions? (This group now including me in as I have demonstrated in this thread).

P. S. I may just try to hunt down some marmite next time I'm out.