How could Disney redeem itself from The Last Jedi?

[Kenbo Slice]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

Well thats me being irreverent to some words.

I will say this I really hate chatting through text posting on a forum. We all would have a much pleasent conversation if we conversed vocally because text completely destroys any context, interpretation or nuance.

 

[Terminal Blue]

And this is from AutismSpeaks. I just covered only 2 of the aspects.

Firstly, Autism Speaks is extremely dodgy. They're an advocacy group for the parents of autistic children, not for autistic people themselves, and have engaged in a lot of scare-mongering and overwhelmingly hostile depictions about people with the condition. They were also heavily in bed with the anti-vaxxer thing for a time.

Secondly, I have autism. I don't care about Star Wars, Rick and Morty or any of that other shit. I do get "obsessed" about (although it's nicer to say interested in since for us it isn't really pathological) things but they're things which are specific and personal to me, and often they're things I don't really talk about. Like video games. I barely talk about video games, I just play them mostly because they help to regulate my sensory input.

Like, autistic people, above all, are individuals. We're not inherently drawn to certain things like Star Wars. Heck, I've met autistic people whose interests are other people. Like, you might mention offhand that you're going on holiday in 6 months and then the day after they still remember and ask you how it went.

Autism can mean so many things, and even people with the same diagnosis can be so completely different from each other that, as someone said, the whole Sheldon Cooper stereotype of the nerd who won't stop talking about fucking Star Wars and video games strikes me as someone will look back on in a few decades and just wonder what our society was thinking. I mean, sure, autistic people think differently, the way our minds work is slightly different from neurotypical people, but in many ways we can be far more different from each other than we are from most neurotypical people.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

Well thats me being irreverent to some words.

I will say this I really hate chatting through text posting on a forum. We all would have a much pleasent conversation if we conversed vocally because text completely destroys any context, interpretation or nuance.

There's really no context or nuance to justifying using slurs against people.

 

[the December King]

Yeah, this is my point.

Tolkien wasn't a Nazi, but he was a racist. Race isn't the primary political angle in Lord of the Rings (it's much more about Christianity and anti-modernism) but race is undeniably there, it's part of the storytelling language. Tolkien didn't write the book with the specific intention that orcs were non-white people and that it was about defending fortress Europe from the foreign menace, but it's filtered very much through the language of his time.

And to a large extent, he knew what he was doing. I mean, he was a clever guy. It's not a coincidence that the Dwarven language sounds a bit Semitic, and it's also not a coincidence that Dwarves are greedy and have big noses and sing sad songs about their lost homeland. Like, contrary to what his right wing "fans" like to think, there's no secret agenda in lord of the rings, it's not like Tolkien wanted to tell a story about Jews and black people and called them Dwarves and Orcs in order to trick the libs and hide his power level, but he used archetypes (and stereotypes) that he knew in order to make his various fantasy races feel "different" and give them an identity. And the implications for a modern reader who recognizes these as stereotypes can be a bit disturbing.

I'm sorry, I don't think that the level of antisemitism you're describing is inherently evident in Tolkien's dwarves. They have been described and depicted as such well before Tolkien came along. I mean, Snow White came out in 1937, just before Tolkien started penning the stories (more or less). More importantly, they were described as such in the original Nordic folklore as well.

The Orcs were dead elves reanimated and brought to hideous life, weren't they?... I don't see a racial angle there at all.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

So how is this wrong? Do you expect me to give an entire essay of Autism for you if this definition barely scratched the surface?

I expect you to not use it as a lazy pejorative for opinions you don't like.

I never used it against anyone who's opinion I disagreed with, I just think people like this is the reason Star Wars lasted this long:

You're using the negative stereotypes of it as a generalized insult, and attaching those with Autism to the negative stereotypes and bad behavior you're implying.

If I were to walk around saying that everything bad that I came across in life was "Samtemdo8-like," you wouldn't take that as me assigning negative connotations to being Samtemdo8?

Unless this guy isn't Autistic or hyped up on ADHD.

And this is simply confirmation that you're using Autism as a pejorative. He could be autistic, he could be on any number of drugs, he could be a completely normal person who snapped and is suffering a mental breakdown, or any number of other scenarios. You have no idea, yet you're assigning this behavior to autism anyway.

edit: One doesn't get "hyped up on ADHD" mate. Though the fact you're associated a mental disorder with drug-induced behavior fits in with the Autism comments.

I think I should stop watching Mister Metokur than who liberally spouts it to every video he makes and that messed with my thinking of what is autistic and what isn't.

And yes I know that ADHD is nothing to do with drugs. I could have just said ADHD alone.

I mean, you should know better than to use autistic as an insult. Surely you're over the age of 15.

I just like saying whatever I want and I expected people to have strong spines in not being phased by words.

But that's the wrong way of thinking it seems.

Do you call black people the n word? Do you call gay people faggots?

That would suggest I am actively bigotted to black people and homosexuals so no I am not and do not say those words against people.

But I say the f a lot and not against homosexuals, I mostly say it against artsy/fartsy, pretentious people, thats my interpretation of the F word. Such as really pretentious movie critics on youtube for one.

That is not the way words work. You can't just change the definition of words as you see fit.

Well thats me being irreverent to some words.

I will say this I really hate chatting through text posting on a forum. We all would have a much pleasent conversation if we conversed vocally because text completely destroys any context, interpretation or nuance.

There's really no context or nuance to justifying using slurs against people.

Regardless, I still hate chatting in text. I wish this site has a voice comm channel for all of us to talk to each other via mic.

Like a massive Discord.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And this is from AutismSpeaks. I just covered only 2 of the aspects.

Firstly, Autism Speaks is extremely dodgy.

Why am I not fuckin surprised. And I am also not surprised that Autism is a very, VERY broad subject manner. So many people have varying interpretations of it. And yea I agree that many people in this autism spectrum is different.

Which is why I'll reveal my colors, I have asperger syndrome. I visit a doctor every few months to talk with him.

And Asperger Syndrome I am told is the lesser level of Autism so at least I am not the completely crazy kind of autistic person.

 

[GalanDun]

Think about it, if I'm in the Rebellion or Resistance, do I trust someone who builds TIE fighters, the single WORST starfighter in the history of the galaxy and sells them to the Empire or First Order to not specifically build my X-Wings to be worse than the TIEs?

Yeah, this is kind of nitpicky, but I think this is an excellent example of why the expanded universe needed to die.

See, remember the Death Star trench run in A New Hope?

Remember Porkins?

Porkins was flying an X-wing. He still died.

There was never any real indication in original trilogy films as to the relative quality of the X-wing and the TIE fighter. Sure, the heroes blow up tons of TIE fighters, but they're the heroes. They wouldn't be the heroes if they died to random mooks. Even when we see the space battle in Return of the Jedi with the massive, massive swarm of TIE fighters (and interceptors) the message was never really that TIE fighters were shit and needed those numbers to pose a threat, but that the rebels were facing overwhelming odds.

But in the expanded universe, it seems like everyone needed to be the hero. Even Porkins needed to be a hero now, so now everyone needs to be able to face overwhelming odds and thus is born the idea that rebel ships are individually superior, not just even a little bit superior but massively superior to the point where TIE fighters can only possibly accomplish anything through sheer weight of numbers.

It's an assumption which became deeply, deeply ingrained into Star Wars canon and cropped up all over the place. In the X-Wing and TIE fighter series, it hit the point where X-wings could shrug off loads of damage with their shields. But in the context of the original films, it just creates problems.. I mean, what happened to Porkins? Did he forget to turn his shields on? Wasn't he aware he could have just directed all power to his rear shields and sat there tanking up the damage like a space boss?

Damn, Porkins must have sucked. He had every advantage and he still went down in one hit. What a loser.

Yeah, I also remember that his shields were taken out by a cloud of debris immediately beforehand, AND his ship was destroyed by turbolaser batteries meant to hold off capital ships and not starfighter lasers.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

Alright guys, that's quite enough.

There's no reason for this thread to dissolve into the offensive.

Thread locked.