How do you feel about circumcision?
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As an infant it means so much pain that they often enter a state of neurological shock and faint from it. There are few other things in the world that can do that to you.meepop said:
Infants have an overdeveloped pain receptors and typically experience 3 times more pain than anyone older.
I was recently circumcised because of my phimosis (not going to bother explaining it) and i am fine because of it (besides the fact of stitches down there) and i am all healed
Genital mutilation in the name of superstition is one of the last bastions of the truly retarded among us. "Hey there little friend, I'll just chop off a bit of your reproductive organ since not doing so will land you in hell."
Your penis/vagina will look like a small wrinkly worm when you hit forty anyway. Apart from trying to cure certain medical conditions like Paraphimosis and Phimosis, there should be no reason to make alterations.
Some religious people may claim differently, but it can be argued that God created us in his own image and who are we to undo his creation by performing cosmetic surgery on newborns. When examined properly by proper people, it is found that genital mutilation is just that. No matter what you call it, it is a revolting habit born out of a primitive set of cultures that are no longer relevant.
Penis-enhancements on children... you guys are sick!
Your penis/vagina will look like a small wrinkly worm when you hit forty anyway. Apart from trying to cure certain medical conditions like Paraphimosis and Phimosis, there should be no reason to make alterations.
Some religious people may claim differently, but it can be argued that God created us in his own image and who are we to undo his creation by performing cosmetic surgery on newborns. When examined properly by proper people, it is found that genital mutilation is just that. No matter what you call it, it is a revolting habit born out of a primitive set of cultures that are no longer relevant.
Penis-enhancements on children... you guys are sick!
My attitude is that it's a choice, but the key thing to remember is that once it's gone, it's gone. Personally, I wouldn't advise parents to make that kind of decision for their children, mostly for that whole permanence aspect. And the aesthetic thing is really just subjective. Medically, people tend to be divided on the benefits, there's probably some benefit, but I'm not really sure it's going to be the end of your child's life if you don't circumcise him. As far as sexual pleasure goes, I've generally heard a consensus that the foreskin does act as an erogenous area (not to mention first-hand experience).
In summary: Hey, I'm not you. Make your own choice on this one. But, if you're a parent, maybe consider the fact that your son might like that same privilege too.
[Although, I forgot to mention that I have no issue with circumcision of an infant if there really is a decent medical reason for it. Thought that went without saying, but people can be kind of nitpicky sometimes]
In summary: Hey, I'm not you. Make your own choice on this one. But, if you're a parent, maybe consider the fact that your son might like that same privilege too.
[Although, I forgot to mention that I have no issue with circumcision of an infant if there really is a decent medical reason for it. Thought that went without saying, but people can be kind of nitpicky sometimes]
If you have sex with a drunk person who doesn't remember it it's still rape and wrong; so that point is invalid. As for the 'a better looking penis', that's a matter of opinion.DrMegaNutz said:
At the end of the day circumcision is a parental point of view that that physicaly alters and is irreparable and forced upon a young child that cannot defend themselves. If a parent got 'democrat' or 'republican' tattoo on their child we would be mortified and would take that child away from the parents immediatly; circumsision is no different.
If you want to cut pieces of your penis of then that is your business, you can do that when you're of legal age but DO NOT force it upon your child.
But you only had a rebuttal to one of my statements. So either you had a half-assed answer or you assume I'm correct with everything else. I'll assume that and continue.Blaster395 said:
Yes, infants may have over-developed pain receptors, but at least they don't have to deal with weeks of recovery as opposed to a child, teen, or adult. And what about the problem of hygiene? You really expect 5-yr-olds to wash their penises that well?
And again, if circumcision is a decision that should be made by the person looking into it, then explain to me why children can't decide how much candy they can have? In reality, both cause happiness of some form, right? I'm sorry if that analogy sucks, but still. Yes, circumcision is a large procedure and candy is just an indulgence, but really, if you let the child decide, then it's like giving a scholar and a 5-yr-old the same test of true/false. The child has a 50% chance of getting it right.
Even if it's a teenager who looks into it himself, the parents may still be the ones paying for it and may try to talk him out of it, even though it is largely aesthetic and only provides some health benefits. Besides, as a baby you don't have anywhere to be. As a child, who wants to be the one who's considered 'different' or as a teenager who has to go through recovery, and still has tests, quizzes, homework, etc.?
How do I feel about it? I feel nothing. There is no obvious benefit or disadvantage in having it circumcised or uncircumcised. Would I go to get circumcised or circumcise my kids? No, but not because I have anything against it but rather because there just isn't a reason to do it.
to all those who say uncut is not clean: try showering more
to all those who say cut is pretty: its a freakin' penis. cut or uncut it looks like excess flesh
to all those who say cut prevents STI transmission: Try using a condom ffs
to all those who say cut is more sensitive: keratin builds up to protect the glands over time as they are no longer protected from constant friction in the pant-al area
if you want to do it, by all means go ahead, but dont do it to kids who cant choose.
to all those who say cut is pretty: its a freakin' penis. cut or uncut it looks like excess flesh
to all those who say cut prevents STI transmission: Try using a condom ffs
to all those who say cut is more sensitive: keratin builds up to protect the glands over time as they are no longer protected from constant friction in the pant-al area
if you want to do it, by all means go ahead, but dont do it to kids who cant choose.
To all the religious nuts - why remove a part of a male's body at birth? God clearly intended for a boy to have a foreskin. Are you saying God actually fucked up a bit on that and that you happen to know better?
To all the non-religious nuts - um, right. Go on and chop off a part of a baby's dick. Sure, what does he know anyway? He can't say nothing about it. And in 12 years time he'll even make up a nice rationalisation about how it doesn't look like a "worm in the mud" or some sort of stupid-ass shit.
Bah! Pisses me off. Never make the assumption that "you know better" when your agenda is to cut off a part of a human being. End of.
To all the non-religious nuts - um, right. Go on and chop off a part of a baby's dick. Sure, what does he know anyway? He can't say nothing about it. And in 12 years time he'll even make up a nice rationalisation about how it doesn't look like a "worm in the mud" or some sort of stupid-ass shit.
Bah! Pisses me off. Never make the assumption that "you know better" when your agenda is to cut off a part of a human being. End of.
Yes, 5-yr-olds should be able to wash themselves.meepop said:
Your analogy sucks massively. Candy is bad if excess is consumed. And why would you ask a 5-yr-old? Try 16 years old instead.
You still pay for it to happen to babies so I doubt that would change anything. Aesthetic? It looks fine to me without removing random parts of it. There is conflicting evidence about health benefits but it mostly point to there being no benefit or it actually increasing the risk of STDs.
Why the fuck would people be comparing dicks at that age anyway? Usually they complain about something being missing and consider that to be unusual, instead of the other way around (possibly an evolved reaction to seeing mutilation?).
Getting an operation done "Coz everyone else has done it" is one of the stupidest things I have heard. Simple solution to the problem: Give nobody the surgery for a generation and it will be seen as normal to be uncircumcised.
So by your logic, tattooing a baby is perfectly okay?Bara_no_Hime said:
Because it can't remember the pain and it heals in days?
The foreskin protects the "head", keeping it sensitive.Bara_no_Hime said:
When the foreskin is removed, the skin on the head hardens and becomes much less sensitive.
So it could be compared to numbing down a baby girls clit.
But hey... Its all okay! Because it looks better! And really suits the toddlers brand new tattoo!
I'm sorry, but I am going to have to strongly disagree on this. As a circumcised male, it hasnt reduced my pleasure in the slightest. Also, I know for a fact my parents didnt have it done to "reduce" my pleasure to keep me from straying.Istvan said:
It does NOT make the head less sensitive! Where are you getting this from? If mine were any more sensitive, walking down the street in a pair of jeans would be a serious problem. So, I fail to see the logic in that comment.DazBurger said: