sageoftruth said:
Fox12 said:
I haven't played a bad game in a long time, but a bad game isn't going to magically going to become good. So, not very long.
I used to. I used to try. I have FF13 14 hours of my life. I tried to like it. I tried to see the good in things. But there was nothing good there. I'm much less charitable now. I don't have time to waist on something that isn't fun.
I'd beg to differ on that, particularly when it comes to games with lousy tutorials. My all time favorite RPG, Persona 4, can take up to 2 hours of plot railroading and ultra linear, cutscene-riddled "gameplay" before the main plot has been established, the training wheels get taken off, and you get to actually decide what happens from then on. It's a blast from then on, if RPGs are your thing.
Good games can still have slow-paced, super boring tutorials hiding what actually makes them good. It sucks when that happens, but it also sucks to miss out on the good stuff because of it. Still, I'm not condemning you for giving up on FF13. 14 hours is really pushing it.
The beginning to Persona 4 was actually one of my favorite parts, haha. I don't think that "slow" necessarily equals "bad." Kingdom Hearts also had very slow start, but when it starts, it delivers. Those games,though, do a really good job of weaving the tutorial into the narrative, and both the story and game play are good in those titles.
My issue is with games that are legitimately not well made. A game with broken mechanics, bad graphics, and a poor cliche story aren't suddenly going to have great mechanics and a genre defining narrative half way through.
That said, I'm wary when I'm told that a game gets good 12 hours in. It usually isn't true, but even if it is, I have precious little free time to spare. I can't really spare twelve hours on a game to get to the good bit. If it takes that long, then it's usually a failure of the designer. The only exception I can think of is Dark Souls, since you need to understand it to fully appreciate it. Once it clicks, though, it's one of the most rewarding experiences out there.