How long until this Pandemic ceases?

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Hey no problem. It happens. I just wanted to point that out in case it was skewing your opinion on my thoughts.
Sure, it doesn't much affect the average 20- 30-something and their 20- 30-something friends with office jobs and stuff, so of course you maybe don't see the problems.

But just because you don't see the problems doesn't mean they aren't there. People who have to deal with it, like healthcare staff, will be able to to tell you that it is incredibly obviously much worse than influenza.

You are obviously right that there's a lot of bullshit, that politicians have slapped down rules and failed to live up to them themselves, and some have utterly fluffed and messed up their rules and guidelines. But nothing stops us as individuals taking some responsibility for ourselves and others irrespective of their inadequacies, and the argument "they're shit so I can be shit too" pales into insignificance when you can easily kill someone's elderly relative.
 

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As someone going through culinary training and seeing the steps taken, the closures and loss of business, this sums up my opinion fairly well:

 

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My birthday is coming up, and if this pandemic goes on for around a month more (and it definitely will), my entire family of 7 will have celebrated all our birthdays in lockdown. Not a complaint, but just a saddening observation of how fucking long this bullshit has lasted.
 

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Sure, it doesn't much affect the average 20- 30-something and their 20- 30-something friends with office jobs and stuff, so of course you maybe don't see the problems.

But just because you don't see the problems doesn't mean they aren't there. People who have to deal with it, like healthcare staff, will be able to to tell you that it is incredibly obviously much worse than influenza.

You are obviously right that there's a lot of bullshit, that politicians have slapped down rules and failed to live up to them themselves, and some have utterly fluffed and messed up their rules and guidelines. But nothing stops us as individuals taking some responsibility for ourselves and others irrespective of their inadequacies, and the argument "they're shit so I can be shit too" pales into insignificance when you can easily kill someone's elderly relative.
And that is my point.

Why should 20-50 year olds give up their jobs, their friends, their lives, when they arent the risk group?

Look people know if they are a risk. Due to a condition, age, whatever, so those people should take it seriously, take precautions, and protect themselves.

But what do you tell all the small business owners that have lost everything because they werent allowed to be open? "Sucks to suck dude. Get a new job packing groceries because your skill set is now useless. And you are in crippling business debt."

The lockdowns are hurting more people in ways we wont know for years to come. Kids whos education is set back, college students who can do anything with their degrees, family businesses lost, alcoholism, domestic abuse, child abuse.

All these issues we cause because they have force unnecessary shutdowns. And then proceeded to keep them in place longer than they needed because they like to keep people in debt and scared. Add to that the fact that the government has repeatedly refused to do anything to help people.

Im not discrediting that covid sucks. Because it does im sure. But it also isnt the zombie apocalypse or the black death
 

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My birthday is coming up, and if this pandemic goes on for around a month more (and it definitely will), my entire family of 7 will have celebrated all our birthdays in lockdown. Not a complaint, but just a saddening observation of how fucking long this bullshit has lasted.
Turned 30 in May. The only restrictions that eased that day? Building sites reopened.
 

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So what are the chances of another lock down in murica? Might as well do it for the last 2 months of year when it's cold outside.
Pretty low hopefully as there's no reason yet to do it besides very specific hotspots that get too bad. Hospitalizations are still lower than they were in April when the virus was much more localized to specific hotspots like New York and Michigan. Now the virus is much more widespread, over more areas (more hospitals), and we still have LESS hospitalizations than April. Also, I very much doubt the public is going to be onboard for another lockdown.

 

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Am I crazy in thinking it's weird that America, India, and U.K. are the only countries who don't have any sort of report of how many people recovered from Covid? India makes some sense because who knows about their data keeping abilities. But the US and UK have more than enough resourse potential to have that number tracked in comparison to all the testing reports.

Why aren't those numbers reported when most other countries are?

To me is feels like the media painting a narrative of trying to make this pandemic scarier than it is. Wanting people in lockdowns, wanting people indebted to the government (which let's face it, isn't doing a fucking thing to actually help).

I think the risk and danger of this virus is overblown. I also think the numbers are bullshit, especially in the U.S. I live in Los Angeles and there are five Covid testing facilities near me which I drive pass everyday on the way to work. I've never seen people there. My county is reporting nearly 2,000 cases per day still, where the hell is everyone getting testing? Surely 2000 per day means you have to be testing 5 times that at least right? 10 times? Thousands and thousands of people every single day to make that number make sense, but I've never seen a line or even a handful of people at any of these stations.

Then they say all the hopitizations are crazy high. Hospitals are nearly overburdened with Covid patients. Well I took my Grandfather to emergency last thursday and not only did the hospital have a shitload of empty rooms, there was only two other people in emergency, with a grand total of 7 people coming into the waiting room during my 4 hour wait (because once they took him in nobody can visit him because they are taking c-19 precautions). But it just seemed weird to see a hospital so slow when the news says hospitals are over burdened.

The CDC says 9.3 million to 43 million people in the U.S Alone get the flu every year. It still kills 60k+ people every year and we have a vaccine for it. There are no lockdowns for the flu. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm#:~:text=CDC estimates that flu has,Disease Burden of Influenza page.

"Oh but the flu doesn't do perminant damage to the body when you get it." Someone says.

Well no, not usually. But Covid has only been around for 8 months so how do we know any of the lingering effects are permanent? We don't is the answer, despite what articles think because there hasn't been a long enough period of time to determine.

To me Covid-19 is like car accidents. There are over 9 million auto accidents every year.

The vast majority of accidents see no injuries, you walk away.

But some you get hurt.

Some you ever can get permanently hurt (lose a leg, paralyzed, brain trauma, etc)

And sometimes, rarely, you die.

But we don't have shutdowns of cars why? Because people have a responsibility to protect themselves. Seatbelts (aka masks), being careful (distance), not driving drunk (Stay home if you sick). By just protecting yourself, everyone else can go on with their lives. No need for shutdowns or all these special restrictions and shit.

And now it's even better because in three months or so, we'll have a vaccine if you want it. (Note only about 45% of people get a flu shot every year and still the cases of the flu are in the tens of millions) https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-get-flu-shots-vaccine-cdc/

Now think about that. The flu kills 40-63K people every year https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year and let's say 50% of people are immunized to it. So double those numbers. And basically the flu is pretty damn comparable to Covid, killing 120K and infecting 70+million every year. And these stats are only the US. The combined stats for a normal flu, not even a bad flu year, would be crazy numbers.


Finally I want to talk about the actual numbers. The covid test, in my opinion, came onto the scene in the pandemic really fucking fast. Like, how can this be even close to 100% correct, fast. And because of that you get all these numbers of people and some people texting positive never got sick.

"Oh well they're asymptomatic."

Are they? How do we know? Maybe the fucking test just gave some healthy people false positives. Elon Musk got sick last week and took covid tests. He took four tests, same day, same testing site. Got two positives and two negatives. https://abc7news.com/elon-musk-covid-tests-test-rapid-antigen-4/7938369/ Which is a small sampling, but I find it strange when you think about just how soon we got tests.

Then there are allegations that hospitals are getting paid more money when a patient has covid https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/ I know someone personally who got covid, self isolated for 14 days, then a week later died in a motorcycle crash and his family is pissed because they had covid labeled on his death certificate.

Nothing about the information the news is pushing about this makes any sense. And the politicians love the power, they love being able to issue orders and mandates on people. California's Governor has my state tied up like a BSDM enthusiast, this fucker is telling people to not have Thanksgiving with family. But last week he went to a party with 12 people he doesn't live with. https://www.sfchronicle.com/politic...d-French-Laundry-party-with-more-15725393.php Doing the exact shit he is begging people NOT to do. Oh good to see the covid rules that HE WANTS for us, don't actually apply to him.

Even the great doctor Anthony Fauci can't hang out for long without a mask. https://img.particlenews.com/img/id/2AhFu4_0PhT6ISB00?type=thumbnail_512x288 WE aren't supposed to be going to restaurants and sporting events and anything cool like that remember? Oh but it's fine because clearly he is with people he knows/lives with. Special treatment then for him, he can go to games and events because he is special.

Either the mandates apply to everyone, or they are just bullshit. Which is it? If it's that serious of a risk to go places, why is old ass Fauci going places?

Look if they really wanted this to be over. They would shut everyone and everything down for two weeks. No going out, close every none essential business including restaurants, leaving only grocery stores, and hospitals open. Nothing else. For two weeks. Give everyone a stimulus package to make up for it. And enforce it. Then two weeks later the virus would be cleared up in any possible people that have it, and it'd be gone.

Problem is. You can't do that, because you'd never be able to sort out the people traveling to and from essential workplaces, doing essential shopping (for food), versus the people who are out to fuck around.

What we have now is this fucky inbetween status that isn't working. If people are ignoring it anyway, then remove the lockdowns and limitations, so that businesses can reopen themselves freely. Because right now there are a shitload of people struggling with a business that can only partly open, or the main part of the business has to be closed which hurts the majority of the staff. It's too flimsy and messy and people aren't following it anyway, so instead of ruining everyone's financial life, let's try to salvage what we can.

People who know they are at risk should protect themselves. Wear a mask if you want, don't if you dont. And individual stores can still enforce wearing a mask or whatever they want.

Do this I think would calm people down. And calmer people act more reasonably.

Anyway, that's my two cents on this whole covid shit. Hate me if you want.
This is a safe way to pop a bubble, devalue the currency and steal more money from the middle-class. I can't even tell if this was planned or a spontaneous natural reaction.
 

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This is a safe way to pop a bubble, devalue the currency and steal more money from the middle-class. I can't even tell if this was planned or a spontaneous natural reaction.
What better way to ruin Trump that fuck the economy right before and election?
 

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My birthday is coming up, and if this pandemic goes on for around a month more (and it definitely will), my entire family of 7 will have celebrated all our birthdays in lockdown. Not a complaint, but just a saddening observation of how fucking long this bullshit has lasted.
I'm not sure where you live but during the times when it's nice outside, you can celebrate just about anything outside and have fun. Our gaming group had 3 or 4 pool parties over the summer with 20+ people and not one person got it due to the parties. Transmission outside is extremely low.


And that is my point.

Why should 20-50 year olds give up their jobs, their friends, their lives, when they arent the risk group?

Look people know if they are a risk. Due to a condition, age, whatever, so those people should take it seriously, take precautions, and protect themselves.

But what do you tell all the small business owners that have lost everything because they werent allowed to be open? "Sucks to suck dude. Get a new job packing groceries because your skill set is now useless. And you are in crippling business debt."

The lockdowns are hurting more people in ways we wont know for years to come. Kids whos education is set back, college students who can do anything with their degrees, family businesses lost, alcoholism, domestic abuse, child abuse.

All these issues we cause because they have force unnecessary shutdowns. And then proceeded to keep them in place longer than they needed because they like to keep people in debt and scared. Add to that the fact that the government has repeatedly refused to do anything to help people.

Im not discrediting that covid sucks. Because it does im sure. But it also isnt the zombie apocalypse or the black death
I totally agree, it's also pretty easy to cut down the death rate (with what we know now). Just look at Japan, a recent study has pointed to half of Tokyo getting infected already and they have less than 500 deaths there. Even if just 1 million (of the 9 million residents) of Tokyo did indeed get infected, then infection fatality rate there is 0.05%. The chances of dying from a car accident in your life is 1% and everyone is OK with that. That's hardly worth ruining millions of living hoods by locking down the economy. Same thing with schools, kids benefit far more from them being open than the harm the virus will cause to them. Recent studies have shown that schools do not cause superspreader events.

The only problem is if healthcare gets overwhelmed (or is about to on an area-by-area basis, not lockdown the entire country or state), then people will die just because they can't get care, which is not good at all for either side. Although healthcare is kinda causing the overwhelming to happen because of their nonsensical policies as they'd rather treat the virus inpatient than outpatient because inpatient makes tons more money. Also, at least in the 2 hospital organizations I have worked for (doing IT work), both their policies for clinics is that anyone with any of the common covid symptoms, which can be just a headache, MUST go to the hospital for care. That will obviously cause the funneling of patients to the hospitals and the patients then having to pay more money to get treated (clinic vs hospital). I literally overheard a lady with most likely a low blood pressure issue (as she was light headed in the morning and has blood pressure issues) that came to a clinic while I was replacing a PC in an exam room and the clinic forced her to go to the hospital because she had a headache. Maybe she doesn't go to the hospital because the increased associated cost and doesn't even get medical care.

 

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He kinda fucked up the whole response but sure, Trump had nothing to do with it. He couldn't even tell people to simply wear masks.
Trump had nothing to do with the financial response to the virus. Over here:
This is a safe way to pop a bubble, devalue the currency and steal more money from the middle-class. I can't even tell if this was planned or a spontaneous natural reaction.
 

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Trump had nothing to do with the financial response to the virus. Over here:
tldr: The top 1% continue to exploit their fellow Americans in our capitalist system that allows profitmongering off a pandemic.
 

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tldr: The top 1% continue to exploit their fellow Americans in our capitalist system that allows profitmongering off a pandemic.
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Because the Corona virus is incredibly contagious and if left unrestricted it would have an exponential spread that would put a massive strain on society. The main risk is not that a lot of 70+ people die, the main risk is that so many people get sick at the same time that society can no longer function. If the healthcare system gets overloaded a ton of people will die, not just from Covid-19 but from other afflictions that aren't normally life threatening, and that will include people who aren't at risk from Corona. Covid-19 is so contagious that it has the possibility to severely hamper or outright stop vital social systems like food logistics, imagine what would happen if a major urban center like NYC or LA wasn't getting its thousands of tons of food delivered daily but only a fraction of that. All because Covid-19 got into the distribution companies that ensures food delivers on time.
And, not counting the devastating 1st waves when the virus spread unabated without the public realizing the virus was there, when has any of that ever come close to happening anywhere?


Trump had nothing to do with the financial response to the virus. Over here:
Trump could've saved 10s of thousands of lives, probably like 100k. If people weren't dying at the rate they were dying in April, then we probably could've avoided lockdowns like Japan. And if we avoided lockdowns, then the financial response doesn't really matter much if millions didn't lose jobs and their healthcare.
 

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And, not counting the devastating 1st waves when the virus spread unabated without the public realizing the virus was there, when has any of that ever come close to happening anywhere?



Trump could've saved 10s of thousands of lives, probably like 100k. If people weren't dying at the rate they were dying in April, then we probably could've avoided lockdowns like Japan. And if we avoided lockdowns, then the financial response doesn't really matter much if millions didn't lose jobs and their healthcare.
NYC responsible for the mass death of the elderly during the first wave contributed well enough for that number.
 

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NYC responsible for the mass death of the elderly during the first wave contributed well enough for that number.
And if Trump and other people in the government told people this virus is serious and to start masking in February (instead of saying not to worry about it), you wouldn't have had those mass deaths. There's no reason why any place but China should've been caught with their pants down.
 

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And if Trump and other people in the government told people this virus is serious and to start masking in February (instead of saying not to worry about it), you wouldn't have had those mass deaths. There's no reason why any place but China should've been caught with their pants down.
CCP through WHO downplayed this back in January/February, even during the Chinese new years celebrations. I've had this conversation before.