How long until this Pandemic ceases?

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You're not wrong.

The larger the number of animals and different types of animal concentrated (particularly in what may be relatively unsanitary conditions), including humans, the greater the risk of spread from one species to another. It would be better to keep the livestock stored apart from each other and people.

I'd actually suggest going further than that, and using less intensive farming methods generally for animals. It would make meat more expensive and we would end up eating less of it, but that would mostly be a positive in all ways except for people's desire to eat meat.
Yeah if the population keeps growing this could get worse and worse as more parts of the world require more and more concentrated amounts of farm animals. We might kill our animals and refrigerate them to keep them fresh rather than alive in market but I know there is still a hell of a lot of pigs, cows, chickens or whatever else stuffed under one roof, especially at the end of their life when all the farmers bring their livestock to the slaughterhouse and they're kept in temporary pens together there. Swine flu, Bird flu, Mad cow disease. Agriculture is creating evolutionary pressure cookers for plagues to be created in.
 
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I really hope the Biden win will mean that we can stop pretending this is a world-wide pandemic and we can go on with our lives.
That's not how this works. Virology doesn't care about your feelings.
Not that there aren't people right now celebrating the election results in mass public gatherings.
 

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Results from the Phase1/2 of trials have shown as good a response in older people as it has in young people. You also don't need the vaccine to work on 100% of people for community immunity and basically getting rid of the virus.
Phase 3 is what counts, because that's the one with the statistical power to meaningfully assess efficacy. It's not just about "herd immunity", though. Herd immunity is not a magic bullet, it tends to drive outbreaks to die sooner rather than later. But the key population to get immunity in is the vulnerable: if a vaccine has poor efficacy in older people and coronavirus gets into a care home...

There's literally nothing pointing to the vaccine not being able to work whether it's due to it just not being good enough basically or due to future mutations or what have you. The way the virus is spreading now, we might not even need the vaccines anyway. Even a place like Tokyo where the death numbers are amazingly low, there's some info (not the biggest sample size though) pointing to possibly half of Tokyo getting infected at some point already.
I would suggest it is self-evidently extremely unlikely that 5 million people in Tokyo have had coronavirus with just 500 deaths, unless perhaps the Japanese have some form of lower susceptibility or prior immunity pretty much nowhere else in the world does.
 
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Phase 3 is what counts, because that's the one with the statistical power to meaningfully assess efficacy. It's not just about "herd immunity", though. Herd immunity is not a magic bullet, it tends to drive outbreaks to die sooner rather than later. But the key population to get immunity in is the vulnerable: if a vaccine has poor efficacy in older people and coronavirus gets into a care home...

I would suggest it is self-evidently extremely unlikely that 5 million people in Tokyo have had coronavirus with just 500 deaths, unless perhaps the Japanese have some form of lower susceptibility or prior immunity pretty much nowhere else in the world does.
Pfizer released good news today about their vaccine. Herb immunity whether accomplished naturally or through a vaccine equates to the same thing (less deaths obviously with a vaccine).

I wouldn't be surprised if half being infected in Tokyo is an overestimate, though it probably has at least a couple million at this point. The Japanese do tick the 2 boxes that is hypothesized to be pretty important with their high fish diet (vitamin d) and the fact that they wore masks from day 1 (lower viral loads = less severe infections). They never got hit with that first devastating 1st wave with their pants down so-to-speak like so many other countries.
 

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Because the entire world has been playing along with an enormous scam just to get the orange man fired.
The entire world had been conditioned to accept all of this for over 4 years.
The connections of the announcement to politics can be ignored only willingly.
 

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The entire world had been conditioned to accept all of this for over 4 years.
The connections of the announcement to politics can be ignored only willingly.
Put some space lizards in, or those elevators that go really far down to where the evil robots live, or I don't care.
 
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So what are the chances of another lock down in murica? Might as well do it for the last 2 months of year when it's cold outside.
 

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So what are the chances of another lock down in murica? Might as well do it for the last 2 months of year when it's cold outside.
Pretty low, irrespective of how much we might need it. No way are they gonna open themselves up for the shitshow that would be them "waging war on/cancelling Christmas" (as it would be spun).
 
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Pretty low, irrespective of how much we might need it. No way are they gonna open themselves up for the shitshow that would be them "waging war on/cancelling Christmas" (as it would be spun).
Are stores even going to be opened for black friday? I really dont see any local black friday signs anywhere.
 

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I have a chronic medical condition that requires daily medication for me to you know, continue living. If I die from virtually anything that isn't explicitly totally unrelated to that condition (e.g. homicide) my death will almost certainly be recorded as death from complications of that condition.

So it doesn't surprise me that anything that might potentially be caused or exacerbated by complications of COVID will end up having COVID listed as a cause of death, for at least a few years.

That's not how this works. Virology doesn't care about your feelings.
Not that there aren't people right now celebrating the election results in mass public gatherings.
 

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Are stores even going to be opened for black friday? I really dont see any local black friday signs anywhere.
Black Friday in terms of physical shopping is just about the shittiest idea imaginable in retail at the moment.
 

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Am I crazy in thinking it's weird that America, India, and U.K. are the only countries who don't have any sort of report of how many people recovered from Covid? India makes some sense because who knows about their data keeping abilities. But the US and UK have more than enough resourse potential to have that number tracked in comparison to all the testing reports.

Why aren't those numbers reported when most other countries are?

To me is feels like the media painting a narrative of trying to make this pandemic scarier than it is. Wanting people in lockdowns, wanting people indebted to the government (which let's face it, isn't doing a fucking thing to actually help).

I think the risk and danger of this virus is overblown. I also think the numbers are bullshit, especially in the U.S. I live in Los Angeles and there are five Covid testing facilities near me which I drive pass everyday on the way to work. I've never seen people there. My county is reporting nearly 2,000 cases per day still, where the hell is everyone getting testing? Surely 2000 per day means you have to be testing 5 times that at least right? 10 times? Thousands and thousands of people every single day to make that number make sense, but I've never seen a line or even a handful of people at any of these stations.

Then they say all the hopitizations are crazy high. Hospitals are nearly overburdened with Covid patients. Well I took my Grandfather to emergency last thursday and not only did the hospital have a shitload of empty rooms, there was only two other people in emergency, with a grand total of 7 people coming into the waiting room during my 4 hour wait (because once they took him in nobody can visit him because they are taking c-19 precautions). But it just seemed weird to see a hospital so slow when the news says hospitals are over burdened.

The CDC says 9.3 million to 43 million people in the U.S Alone get the flu every year. It still kills 60k+ people every year and we have a vaccine for it. There are no lockdowns for the flu. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm#:~:text=CDC estimates that flu has,Disease Burden of Influenza page.

"Oh but the flu doesn't do perminant damage to the body when you get it." Someone says.

Well no, not usually. But Covid has only been around for 8 months so how do we know any of the lingering effects are permanent? We don't is the answer, despite what articles think because there hasn't been a long enough period of time to determine.

To me Covid-19 is like car accidents. There are over 9 million auto accidents every year.

The vast majority of accidents see no injuries, you walk away.

But some you get hurt.

Some you ever can get permanently hurt (lose a leg, paralyzed, brain trauma, etc)

And sometimes, rarely, you die.

But we don't have shutdowns of cars why? Because people have a responsibility to protect themselves. Seatbelts (aka masks), being careful (distance), not driving drunk (Stay home if you sick). By just protecting yourself, everyone else can go on with their lives. No need for shutdowns or all these special restrictions and shit.

And now it's even better because in three months or so, we'll have a vaccine if you want it. (Note only about 45% of people get a flu shot every year and still the cases of the flu are in the tens of millions) https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-get-flu-shots-vaccine-cdc/

Now think about that. The flu kills 40-63K people every year https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year and let's say 50% of people are immunized to it. So double those numbers. And basically the flu is pretty damn comparable to Covid, killing 120K and infecting 70+million every year. And these stats are only the US. The combined stats for a normal flu, not even a bad flu year, would be crazy numbers.


Finally I want to talk about the actual numbers. The covid test, in my opinion, came onto the scene in the pandemic really fucking fast. Like, how can this be even close to 100% correct, fast. And because of that you get all these numbers of people and some people texting positive never got sick.

"Oh well they're asymptomatic."

Are they? How do we know? Maybe the fucking test just gave some healthy people false positives. Elon Musk got sick last week and took covid tests. He took four tests, same day, same testing site. Got two positives and two negatives. https://abc7news.com/elon-musk-covid-tests-test-rapid-antigen-4/7938369/ Which is a small sampling, but I find it strange when you think about just how soon we got tests.

Then there are allegations that hospitals are getting paid more money when a patient has covid https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/ I know someone personally who got covid, self isolated for 14 days, then a week later died in a motorcycle crash and his family is pissed because they had covid labeled on his death certificate.

Nothing about the information the news is pushing about this makes any sense. And the politicians love the power, they love being able to issue orders and mandates on people. California's Governor has my state tied up like a BSDM enthusiast, this fucker is telling people to not have Thanksgiving with family. But last week he went to a party with 12 people he doesn't live with. https://www.sfchronicle.com/politic...d-French-Laundry-party-with-more-15725393.php Doing the exact shit he is begging people NOT to do. Oh good to see the covid rules that HE WANTS for us, don't actually apply to him.

Even the great doctor Anthony Fauci can't hang out for long without a mask. https://img.particlenews.com/img/id/2AhFu4_0PhT6ISB00?type=thumbnail_512x288 WE aren't supposed to be going to restaurants and sporting events and anything cool like that remember? Oh but it's fine because clearly he is with people he knows/lives with. Special treatment then for him, he can go to games and events because he is special.

Either the mandates apply to everyone, or they are just bullshit. Which is it? If it's that serious of a risk to go places, why is old ass Fauci going places?

Look if they really wanted this to be over. They would shut everyone and everything down for two weeks. No going out, close every none essential business including restaurants, leaving only grocery stores, and hospitals open. Nothing else. For two weeks. Give everyone a stimulus package to make up for it. And enforce it. Then two weeks later the virus would be cleared up in any possible people that have it, and it'd be gone.

Problem is. You can't do that, because you'd never be able to sort out the people traveling to and from essential workplaces, doing essential shopping (for food), versus the people who are out to fuck around.

What we have now is this fucky inbetween status that isn't working. If people are ignoring it anyway, then remove the lockdowns and limitations, so that businesses can reopen themselves freely. Because right now there are a shitload of people struggling with a business that can only partly open, or the main part of the business has to be closed which hurts the majority of the staff. It's too flimsy and messy and people aren't following it anyway, so instead of ruining everyone's financial life, let's try to salvage what we can.

People who know they are at risk should protect themselves. Wear a mask if you want, don't if you dont. And individual stores can still enforce wearing a mask or whatever they want.

Do this I think would calm people down. And calmer people act more reasonably.

Anyway, that's my two cents on this whole covid shit. Hate me if you want.
 
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The CDC says 9.3 million to 43 million people in the U.S Alone get the flu every year. It still kills 60k+ people every year and we have a vaccine for it.

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And basically the flu is pretty damn comparable to Covid, killing 120K and infecting 70+million every year. And these stats are only the US.
You are, of course, talking complete rubbish, and I'll leave it to others more interested to go into depth about that. But this part in particular stood out to me. Whether or not it's 10-40 odd million infected and 60k dead, or 70 million and 120 million thousand dead in the US from the flu, covid, in less than one year, had infected about 10 million people in the US and killed about a quarter million, despite massively greater efforts to stop it. This is much worse, and thus not comparable to the flu. Obviously.

EDIT: Wrong "million" when I meant "thousand" there.
 
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This is much worse, and thus not comparable to the flu. Obviously.
Not exactly though. Two things you aren't considering.

1. We know how to fight the flu and there are plenty of medications and flu treatments that covid simply didn't have early and even still doesn't have. Yet despite all our knowledge, medicine, vaccines, the flu STILL kills tens of thousands of people every single year.

2. Covid ravaged through demographics of people already very very very at risk for death due to something like this. Nursing homes got absolutely ravaged by this thing, especially in New York where they even flooded nursing homes with patients. Also consider a simple fact that NOBODY who enters a nursing home gets out. You don't go to assisted living, or a convalescence home and get out the other side better and healthy. People go there to be taken care of and given comfort in their final times. So covid ended up being far deadlier than it realistically should have been because of the populace.

This fact is further enhanced when you look at how badly it hit Italy. A nation with one of the oldest populations, and a large portion of people smoke, and a three or more generations of family live in the same household.

You have to look at other factors other than just a number on a page. You have to consider why such a number happened, and how it happened, and the how the situation evolves. You tell me, are death rates going up despite an increase in number of cases, or are people beating this thing? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03132-4

I also love how every article likes to paint a picture of like "yeah things are getting better.....FOR NOW!!!!!" As if doctors are going to make progress in treatment with covid but in two months are going to forget everything about it. That's not even how virus mutation works. Even when something mutates it generally doesn't drastically alter itself in such a way where treatment effective yestrerday isn't effective today. It takes time and years for a virus to alter enough that existing treatment needs to change. This becomes harder as existing treatment gets better and better and the virus has less time and transmission potential to even let it mutate.


120 million dead in the US from the flu,
120K is thousand. Not million. You WAY over assume my number here. I said 120 thousand.