No.
It was a novel coronavirus, it takes time to study the virus after it's discovery. Initially they thought it might have been spread through food, or by animals. They were unsure and had to confirm the method transmission to be sure. US intelligence however, had already suspected it was spread from person to person in late November. Suspecting and confirming are entirely different things here. Due to the earlier strains of the virus not being as contagious as the strain in Europe means it would also likely take longer in the lab to determine all it's possible methods of transmission. This is also why they initially didn't think you could give it to your pets, but found out that too was inaccurate once it mutated to the much more contagious strain. China was not testing the same strain that we were dealing with in the rest of the world, and thus would have different lab results.
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Likely not at all. China was faster at detecting this than the US was with Swine Flu. We were lucky with COVID-19 they detected it when they did. Our best chance for doing a better job next time is to have an adequately funded universal international preparation and agreed response. We need nations to come together and solve this on a global scale with a united front in order to save lives and not this every part of the machine working on it's own and nothing working very well together at all making a bigger mess of everything.
Yeah. I'd start with them and the UK and US all together. They've all been doing the same stuff and pretending its not a problem.
Packing people into crowded poltiical rallies on a daily basis.....mocking and demonizing masks.....Pretending COVID is defeated when it clearly isn't.....
Yes it takes time to study but some Chinese doctors including the one who originally tried to break the news recognised it was something different and tried to warn people.It was a novel coronavirus, it takes time to study the virus after it's discovery. Initially they thought it might have been spread through food, or by animals. They were unsure and had to confirm the method transmission to be sure. US intelligence however, had already suspected it was spread from person to person in late November. Suspecting and confirming are entirely different things here. Due to the earlier strains of the virus not being as contagious as the strain in Europe means it would also likely take longer in the lab to determine all it's possible methods of transmission. This is also why they initially didn't think you could give it to your pets, but found out that too was inaccurate once it mutated to the much more contagious strain. China was not testing the same strain that we were dealing with in the rest of the world, and thus would have different lab results.
Mutated COVID-19 Viral Strain in U.S. and Europe 10 Times More Contagious than Original Strain
Researchers have found that the strains spreading so quickly in Europe and the U.S. have a mutated S “spike” protein that makes it about 10 times more infectious than the strain that originally was identified in Asia.
It was Initially the strain of SARS-CoV-2 that was in Wuhan was not as contagious as the strain that was taking over Europe and the US. The US was primarily infected from Europe by a variant, not directly rom China and not by the same strain of the virus. The earlier strains that were in China are not the primary strains in the rest of the world.
A mutated coronavirus strain causes most new COVID-19 infections in Europe and was spread within the continent by tourists, scientists say
The coronavirus variant, known as 20A.EU1, has been identified in 12 European countries as well as in Hong Kong and New Zealand, scientists said.
We actually have unknown viruses pop up all the time all over the world, but they usually fizzle out or are not serious so we do not pay much attention to them. The 2009 swine flue outbreak was circulating for months prior to being discovered. They actually think it could have been circulating as far back as September before being discovered in late March:
“The limited sampling so far gives rise to considerable uncertainty in the estimate,” cautions Rambaut. But if the rate at which genes mutate is about the same for this virus as for other H1N1 viruses, the number of mutations that have accumulated so far suggests it has been circulating since January – or even September 2008."
First genetic analysis of swine flu reveals potency
The H1N1 flu continues to spread around the world, with cases now confirmed from more than a dozen countries, from Hong Kong to Canada. Yet the first genetic analysis of how well this virus transmits from person to person concludes that it spreads barely well enough to keep itself going . The...
Deadly new flu virus in US and Mexico may go pandemic
The new flu virus has been confirmed in Mexico, the US, Spain and Canada (Illustration: Google Maps) See also: Swine flu – what you need to know A novel flu virus has struck hundreds of people in Mexico, and at least 18 have died. It has also infected 20 people in five states in the …
It took them a very long time to discover it circulating.
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Detection is only useful if they do something with it rather than try to cover it up.
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The US maybe but the UK not so much. The UK is doing regional lockdowns but it looks like a national one may be on the cards again. Also the UK has the Oxford Labs developing a vaccine which apparently is now estimated to be ready for deployment in December assuming everything goes well.
I would say in defence of China that when we think how badly many of our countries have handled covid-19, did China - which is a less developed state that was working with far less information - really do so bad a job? I mean, for heaven's sakes, the Trump administration has spent months undermining public trust in the best basic infection control method, never mind all the other failings.
Why didn't we?
I'll give you this, I don't think they played it as bad as the US. They did Coumo it, killing tens of thousands. They also keep wanting to build things at home (eg. the Track and Trace... app? It never came out so I dont want to pretend to know what they final product was going to be). Just.. Look BoJo, use someone else's effective system until you build your own. Steal it, buy it, copy it. Stop trying to start things from scratch. Time isn't on your side. As to pretending, its done some number fudging. But it hasn't redefined terms like Trump to try and make him look better.
BoJo didn't give a shit about getting a working system going. The covid-19 response in the UK was an exercise in Tory ministers shovelling public funds at their mates and party donors as hard and fast as they could. Any Oxbridge twat who'd previously done work with Johnson, Gove etc. turned up as some sort of dilettante fixer who could make something the government wanted, despite no experience or expertise in the area. And thus these people got contracts over better suited companies with track records, and millions was wasted on PPE that never arrived (or was not up to scratch) and software that didn't work.
Is it still the same kind of feeling you get as a Cold or Flu? Just way more infectious then those other diseases?
I don't think that's much of a defense. What's the point of comparing China's "performance" to other countries? They all fucked up, in various degrees of fuckery. I'll condemn China, the US, and especially my own country for all their bullshit. I think there's plenty enough outrage to go around.
There is some speculation that coronaviruses like the common cold started similarly like covid-19. Gradually that virus became benign but I have no idea how long that takes. From what I understand covid is just as infectious as every other respiratory virus but it only requires more hospitalizations.
Mate, we're just getting into our liar-liar-pants-on-fire groove. We've barely even started lying yet.
The app is out and running now
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Because initially we thought it was contained and quarantined with flights from hot spot areas stopped and most airlines refusing to fly to and from China anyway. Once it was found out in the community it was in 3 different areas at once and by that point it would be trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Very possibly.
International preparation and agreed response, eh? Sounds to me like we need some kind of Organisation.... to look after Health... but for all the World.
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