How much choice does Fallout 3 REALLY allow for?

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Lord_Panzer

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Cuy said:
Seeing as you haven't bought Fallout 3 yet, I will take this chance to try and persuade you into not buying it.


Hooray for me posting this image for the third time today. I hope the image answers all your questions about this horrendous game.


OT: When you're in it you feel like the world is your oyster and you have 12,000,000 different tools with which to open it. When you finish it and step back, you realize it's actually fairly linear, aside from the metric fuck-tonne of stuff to do outside the main story line.

But really, all you need to know is the game is ridiculously fun. Plus the GoTY edition can be super cheap now, depending on where you shop.
 

Wintermoot

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not that much they basicly say: they are bad and we are good there is ONLY ONE FACTION. If you want choice FO NV is a better choice you can choose your own story path and your own faction
 

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While you can play the game what ever way you like, be it kill every asshole in your way or be a friend to all, yet the end is either the good or bad choice. A lot of the actual choices that you make are very small to the actual story at points and are usually just end in a good or bad choice, and each basically boil down to: I help everyone for free! (good) I do everything for caps. (Neutral) and I kill everything! (Evil). Though the game is still one of my favorites, it does have its faults, and it has one of the best moral choice systems I have seen in a game. Just be wary that if you do just kill everyone you don't like, you may have everyone in a town trying to kill you.
 

Ghengis John

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Azaraxzealot said:
im about to buy it, and i want to know if i can basically craft my own story with this game, as follows:
i want to be a sadistic vigilante who takes pleasure in shooting individuals and asking questions later, and i want to do this all without haveing to worry about being caught by the law.
because one thing i HATED HATED HATED about Oblivion was the fact that for a game touted with "choice" i couldnt so much as brush up against someone without a guard going "HEY! YOU BROKE THE LAW! YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL!:and then the guards were do powerful that i really had no choice in the matter as to whether or not i wanted to commit crimes.
i hated that game so much because of its overpowered and unjust law enforcement that i couldnt take on evenly (really, GTA and Saints Row have an easier time at making me feel like i want to feel in a virtual world)
anyways, CAN i do this? will i be allowed to be a dispenser of brutal justice with nary any consequences besides bad karma?

EDIT: I'm not trying to be Jack the Ripper, I'm trying to be the Punisher
EDIT2: I have only an xbox 360 and a laptop, so i cant do PC gaming. yeah. i've heard of STALKER, but no, i dont have a PC
Wall of text incoming but the op at least should read it.

If you want to craft your own world, and you have a 360, go out and pick up Mass Effect. Start at the first one and by number three you will have a world you have well and thoroughly created. The combat in the second one if a lot of fun, the combat in number one, not so much but the story's top notch. You want to be the punisher? The renegade path is EXACTLY what you are looking for. As for fallout 3. It's playable, you can spend a lot of time with it wandering around and looking at things and killing other things. But really it's a poorly written game.

If you like old cartoon story lines about good versus evil then you'll be fine. Frankly I liked seeing the brotherhood living up to the potential for good it always possessed. For those of you that follow the series I'm sure goody two shoes Elder Lyons raising the next Maxon will have a positive effect on the brotherhood's fortunes in future games. But the game itself is lacking. It will dangle options in front of you that don't really exist like joining with The Enclave or finishing a quest without killing everyone. The game thinks so little of speech that speech checks are presented in percentages. Dice rolls that even the most advanced skill level can fail or the crappiest skill level can pass. Pliny the Elder said no book is so bad it isn't good in some of it's passages. To that end I will point out the game has one well written quest and that is the "You gotta shoot them in the Head" Quest. Beyond that I don't know what to tell you. You'll be wandering around a sewer and subway for hours. That's what I can tell you.

Why in the world are the super mutants trying to kill everyone? Where do they get the idea that they are the future? They are moronic imbeciles. They could not have formed these complex ideas as the mutants in western fallout did. The people are all like cardboard cut-outs. The place is a desert like mad max when it should not be. It made sense that southern California was a desert. It IS a desert. In reality it rains in Virgina, hell Washington DC is surrounded by swampland. People eat 200 year old food. I dunno what to tell you. The whole thing feels very juvenile. Like kids wrote it or it was written for kids. Everything is black and white, the violence is the focus, children are invincible and there is no sex at all. You'd think at the very least your character could get a peck on the cheek from some of the ladies he helps along the way like sentinel Lyons or Amada but all they give you is a "Thanks for saving the world, now here's a curt and platonic nod of respect. Maintain three feet of body distance at all times." Humans don't act like that. Everything seems off about it.

I won't tell you how the game ends, but it is the least satisfying ending of all time. You get three pictures and about 30 seconds of dialog from Ron Pearlman reflecting whether you were good or evil. what happened to the people and the towns you helped? What the hell do you care, go blow up some more mutants and laugh about that.

Which brings me to my next proposal. If you want to play a game like fallout three but better. Buy New Vegas. You can complete the very first quest in the game half a dozen different ways. Everyone in town has their own voice actor. It's like, what universe did you pop out of strange and better version of fallout 3? Yeah there were an assload of bugs at launch but patch 1.02 killed most of them. So go buy it and enjoy it.

You might like fallout three, seriously lots of people do. But New Vegas is (with the exception of no post-game play) just better in every way. And when it ends, there are individual endings for different places you visited and even people. And the nuances, one decision influences another. You can help different factions take over new vegas for instance, and the fate of a gang called The Kings can pop out at least three ways for the NCR faction alone.

How much better is it? People actually grow their own food here. You SEE them farming. THEY FARM! MY GOD HOW THEY FARM! And they make fun of the idea anyone would eat "that 200 year old stuff!? Good GOD!".
 

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I heard that the original Fallouts (1&2) have a more realistic and apocalyptic feeling than Fallout 3. Well, it never had any to be honest. I mean, fetching radioactive soda for a crazy ass *****? Aside from Megaton and Rivet city, every "major" settlement consists of about 8 people? Shooting a dude in the head from a point-blank range with a shotgun, and he keeps swinging his lead pipe at me? And... Umm... Where was I? Right. Does anyone know if there exists a version of Fallout 1 that I could play on Windows 7? I never got that game to work.
 

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There's some freedom of choice when it comes to how you want to survive in FF3's brutal wasteland. Go it alone and kill everyone and everything in site...or deal with people nicely and nick all their stuff if your caught most of the time they take it back, but everyone in the goddam world is a vigilante.
Shoot a guy in the face because he called you a prick in megaton and everyone else in town will appear brandishing lead pipes in a futile attempt to stove in your head. Massacring one town has no effect on another town, hell I wiped out every settlement once and Rivet City's guards still let me in after I'd insulted their chief of security with a quick blow to the head for acting like a douche.
There isn't the freedom to dive out naked on old ladies, but there is freedom in how you choose to go about getting bigger and better guns to fend off the bigger and better enemies. It's more of a whacky adventure in survival rather than a serious RPG for Sir Questsalot to dungeon delve in...that said there are an aweful lot of caves, tunnels, metro stations and irradiated craters to delve into.
 

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Choice in Fallout 3 basically boils down to "Do you want to blow up Megaton or not?"

Most of the other quests have one single path, and those that ACTUALLY have two different choices are, apart from blowing the SHIT out of Megaton, pretty samey.
All in all: Get New Vegas.
 

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Woodsey said:
BioShock isn't an RPG, Deus Ex's is worse since it's defined even more by being an RPG (and isn't an FPS either), haven't played System Shock 2 or STALKER.
Hold on. WHAT THE FUCK?
Did you just say Deus Ex isn't an FPS game?

I'm pretty fucking sure it is...

Yeah, that's definitely an FPS game [http://www.sg.hu/kep/2000_07/deusex_bemutato_05.jpg]

I'm pretty sure it looks like an FPS..

Maybe I wasn't actually playing Deus Ex all those years ago...
 

manaman

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Cuy said:
...When Fallout 3 has the same 10 or so voice actors it kinda ruins the game when you hear the Imperial City Guard for the 100th time, or something along those lines.
Well now I have to ask if you even played Fallout 3. That doesn't seem like the kind of mistake you can make talking about that game. Seeing how there isn't even a hint of an empire, or a non destroyed city, in that game.
 

Ghengis John

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No_Remainders said:
Choice in Fallout 3 basically boils down to "Do you want to blow up Megaton or not?"

Most of the other quests have one single path, and those that ACTUALLY have two different choices are, apart from blowing the SHIT out of Megaton, pretty samey.
All in all: Get New Vegas.
This. Even the combat in New Vegas is better. There's no broken Chinese stealth suit, melee weapons and unarmed have more options in VATS than "beat the shit out of it" and you can actually play the game without vats at all. Iron sights work great for the guns and unarmed and mellee have non-vats special attacks like the scribe counter.
 

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Woodsey said:
BioShock isn't an RPG, Deus Ex's is worse since it's defined even more by being an RPG (and isn't an FPS either), haven't played System Shock 2 or STALKER.
Hold on. WHAT THE FUCK?
Did you just say Deus Ex isn't an FPS game?

I'm pretty fucking sure it is...

Yeah, that's definitely an FPS game [http://www.sg.hu/kep/2000_07/deusex_bemutato_05.jpg]

I'm pretty sure it looks like an FPS..

Maybe I wasn't actually playing Deus Ex all those years ago...
Of course it's not a first person shooter.

You don't need to fire a gun at all throughout the game and accuracy (apart from moving a very large crosshair over an enemy) is judged entirely by skill points.

Those two points far outweigh it's first person perspective and the fact that you might possibly use guns.

But yes, your screenshot and swearing were a very convincing argument.
 

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A lot of people will tell you that Fallout 3 is great and bla bla bla, moral choice system, VATS, great story. It's overhyped. The picture posted is pretty much accurate. The moral choice system is easily bypassed by meaningless acts, you can avoid the wrath of cities by being RIGHT OUTSIDE of them for three game days, which you can skip through in 15 minutes. Nobody really reacts differently if you're bad other than making a snarky comment here and there but they'll still sell to you and talk to you normally during speech tree-esque convos. It's a fun game but it's no choice heavy game.
 

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manaman said:
Cuy said:
...When Fallout 3 has the same 10 or so voice actors it kinda ruins the game when you hear the Imperial City Guard for the 100th time, or something along those lines.
Well now I have to ask if you even played Fallout 3. That doesn't seem like the kind of mistake you can make talking about that game. Seeing how there isn't even a hint of an empire, or a non destroyed city, in that game.
HE means the cat from oblivion/morrowind who played the imperial city guard. I dunno if you played those games but they were also by Bethesda. He is referring to the fact the game has about six voices you hear over and over till you want to beat your brains in. Like, "okay man, now you're making a bayou accent. I can tell you're still the same guy who voiced the guard down the hall".
 

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Well let's see, the thing is there is no law per say, but if you got bad karma you will get bounty hunters after you, same thing if you're good for some reason, don't know who want me dead for helping people... "Raahr him helping some wastelanders is filling me with murderous raaaage!" to make a reference to ZP.

However you can't for example kill someone in a town without everyone turning against you, if for example, person A is holding a key to person A's place, where Item B is and you want it, you can't kill him without having to kill everyone in the town, and the wasteland isn't exactly overpopulated so you need places where to trade and so on^^ unless you have the mister sandman perk but then you can't get to person A because he's behind locked doors during sleep, you could steel but I seem to get caught even with many skill points on sneak...

And don't nuke Megaton before taking the Streangt bobblehead! Hope it's been helpful!
 

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Woodsey said:
FPSRPG/Action RPG is how I've seen it described.

Yes, it's first and foremost an RPG, but the fact that it has FPS elements (by which I mean that it's basically a FPS game) means that it's also classed as an FPSRPG.

You could just as easily argue that Half-Life wasn't an FPS game, as you could (ish) walk through the game with ONLY the crowbar, but that's obviously just a fucking retarded statement.
 

Ghengis John

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Woodsey said:
No_Remainders said:
Woodsey said:
BioShock isn't an RPG, Deus Ex's is worse since it's defined even more by being an RPG (and isn't an FPS either), haven't played System Shock 2 or STALKER.
Hold on. WHAT THE FUCK?
Did you just say Deus Ex isn't an FPS game?

I'm pretty fucking sure it is...

Yeah, that's definitely an FPS game [http://www.sg.hu/kep/2000_07/deusex_bemutato_05.jpg]

I'm pretty sure it looks like an FPS..

Maybe I wasn't actually playing Deus Ex all those years ago...
Of course it's not a first person shooter.

You don't need to fire a gun at all throughout the game and accuracy (apart from moving a very large crosshair over an enemy) is judged entirely by skill points.

Those two points far outweigh it's first person perspective and the fact that you might possibly use guns.

But yes, your screenshot and swearing were a very convincing argument.
What do skill points have to do with it not being a first person shooter? You still shoot the guns in the first person do you not? And not needing to fire a gun is simply a mark of good design. Most people will fire a gun, or crossbow or decoy device through the course of the game. You're simply being stubborn. You could win a round of counterstike using only knives, that doesn't change what it is.
 

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No_Remainders said:
Woodsey said:
FPSRPG/Action RPG is how I've seen it described.

Yes, it's first and foremost an RPG, but the fact that it has FPS elements (by which I mean that it's basically a FPS game) means that it's also classed as an FPSRPG.

You could just as easily argue that Half-Life wasn't an FPS game, as you could (ish) walk through the game with ONLY the crowbar, but that's obviously just a fucking retarded statement.
It doesn't have any FPS elements if you don't play it like that, and you're never pushed in that direction. It is built to allow you to play how you want, whereas Half-Life is geared towards shooting specifically, and whilst I'm sure someone is dull enough to try and crowbar their way through, it's still an FPS.
 

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OniaPL said:
I heard that the original Fallouts (1&2) have a more realistic and apocalyptic feeling than Fallout 3. Well, it never had any to be honest. I mean, fetching radioactive soda for a crazy ass *****? Aside from Megaton and Rivet city, every "major" settlement consists of about 8 people? Shooting a dude in the head from a point-blank range with a shotgun, and he keeps swinging his lead pipe at me? And... Umm... Where was I? Right. Does anyone know if there exists a version of Fallout 1 that I could play on Windows 7? I never got that game to work.
Link to game [http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/fallout]

They also have fallout 2 and fallout tactics on the site for a good price, all fully patched and updated to run on more modern machines.
 

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Woodsey said:
No_Remainders said:
Woodsey said:
FPSRPG/Action RPG is how I've seen it described.

Yes, it's first and foremost an RPG, but the fact that it has FPS elements (by which I mean that it's basically a FPS game) means that it's also classed as an FPSRPG.

You could just as easily argue that Half-Life wasn't an FPS game, as you could (ish) walk through the game with ONLY the crowbar, but that's obviously just a fucking retarded statement.
It doesn't have any FPS elements if you don't play it like that, and you're never pushed in that direction. It is built to allow you to play how you want, whereas Half-Life is geared towards shooting specifically, and whilst I'm sure someone is dull enough to try and crowbar their way through, it's still an FPS.
Half-hour Half-Life. Someone did it basically by bunny-hopping the entire way. Regardless, I'd still consider DE an FPS just like I'd say System Shock 2 is an FPS.
 

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Ghengis John said:
Woodsey said:
No_Remainders said:
Woodsey said:
BioShock isn't an RPG, Deus Ex's is worse since it's defined even more by being an RPG (and isn't an FPS either), haven't played System Shock 2 or STALKER.
Hold on. WHAT THE FUCK?
Did you just say Deus Ex isn't an FPS game?

I'm pretty fucking sure it is...

Yeah, that's definitely an FPS game [http://www.sg.hu/kep/2000_07/deusex_bemutato_05.jpg]

I'm pretty sure it looks like an FPS..

Maybe I wasn't actually playing Deus Ex all those years ago...
Of course it's not a first person shooter.

You don't need to fire a gun at all throughout the game and accuracy (apart from moving a very large crosshair over an enemy) is judged entirely by skill points.

Those two points far outweigh it's first person perspective and the fact that you might possibly use guns.

But yes, your screenshot and swearing were a very convincing argument.
What do skill points have to do with it not being a first person shooter? You still shoot the guns in the first person do you not? And not needing to fire a gun is simply a mark of good design. Most people will fire a gun, or crossbow or decoy device through the course of the game. You're simply being stubborn. You could win a round of counterstike using only knives, that doesn't change what it is.
The game is built purposefully so that there is no need to ever fire a gun. It is not a shooter.

"And not needing to fire a gun is simply a mark of good design."

Yeah, of an RPG.

You're missing the point just like the other guy: in CSS or HL, the game's are built so that you're going to be shooting the vast majority of the time, and you can't break into stealth whenever you want, or talk your way out of a situation.

They are first-person shooters because their main gameplay revolves around guns, and you have to go out of your way to avoid them. In Deus Ex, you do not.