How the hell is this fair?!?

[Internet Kraken]

I get the impression that you're not telling us the full story. Though maybe you can get deported for having heroin.

However, situation 1 has nothing to do with your cousin's situation. They are 2 different and separate crimes. Just because that criminals punishment may have been far more lenient does not mean your cousin should not face the consequences for his actions.

My best mate got sent to juvenile hall for possesion of marijuana, the world is a fucked up place. Kill it with fire.

How is this not justified?

And as on the greyhound bus, What the hell!? That guy should be institutionalized or thrown in prison. If it happened once and you let him go he'll only do it again until we realize he is a crazy mofo. Therapy doesn't work all the time.

I'm going to assume that the qualified professionals know more about that man and his status than us, and made the right decision accordingly.

First time offense and it was less than 1g.

Doesn't matter. He was still violating the law. Your friend should have been aware of the consequences when he bought those drugs.

And the law is a big strong daddy, never to be questioned? Wether or not marijuana should be illegal is another argument entirely but mindlessly doing what the government tells you, without thinking for yourself, is just plain fucking moronic. What people put in their own body is their own business, at least until the stage when it seems likely they will hurt somebody. The government has no place punishing a kid for that.

It's against the law. The kid knew that, he bought the drugs anyways, and he faced the consequences.

Whether or not possession of marijuana should be illegal does not matter here. Point is, he broke the law and was punished accordingly. What is your problem with this?

 

[Caligulove]

damn. Not that heroin is something I condone or anything, but I would expect something like drug rehab or some counselling before they just throw him out of the country. But then, a lot of the stuff on drug law is kinda bullshit

 

[Internet Kraken]

That he was punished to a massive excess.
And punished for breaking a law that, when thought about logically, probably shouldn't exist.

But your opinion on the law doesn't change the fact that he still broke the law. Personally I think the punishment was excessive as well. But I still think that so long as the law exists people should still be punished for violating it.

 

[Brad Shepard]

The world is fucked.

this all over, the world isent fair

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Your cousin is not insane?

 

[Internet Kraken]

That he was punished to a massive excess.
And punished for breaking a law that, when thought about logically, probably shouldn't exist.

But your opinion on the law doesn't change the fact that he still broke the law. Personally I think the punishment was excessive as well. But I still think that so long as the law exists people should still be punished for violating it.

I agree with you there. While the law exists people should be punished for breaking it. I do not, however, think that laws should go unquestioned. They aren't put in place by all knowing demi-gods. Just people, like us.

Of course laws should be questioned. It's just that under most circumstances you should not question the law by violating it.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I don't think anyone was happy about what happened with the Greyhound incident.

And I find it humourous that the police are being blamed. The police are on the front lines dealing with a lot of garbage that most of us will never experience, but they are certainly fallible. If they get a call to deal with something they deal with it to the best of their abilities and sometimes mistakes are made. However, once someone is brought in for whatever reason and charges are in place the police officers have little to do with it, particularly once sentencing is involved.

 

[Radelaide]

So let's see:

<link=http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=5e5e949c-989a-47f7-86da-53801510af24>Situation 1: Some guy stabbed and beheaded another guy on a greyhound bus. He gets an insanity plea and walks out free with therapy.

Situation 2: My cousin does heroin and finds himself deported from the United States, he isn't allowed to go back.

Please clarify what I'm obviously missing here.

Was the man who murdered the other guy an American born person? 'cause if your cousin wasn't a citizen, the government would be like "Lets make an example of him!"

 

[Elburzito]

The meaning of justice changes constantely.While they may not admit it, the US is still pretty Xenophobic and they show that in the sentences they give out.

 

[Tourette]

There is so much in the justice/legal system that is wrong but it has and will always be like that unfortunately as politicians rarely take their heads out of their arses to see what is truly wrong.

 

[Grounogeos]

Insanity pleas are bullshit in my opinion (or at least most of them are). If the guy's competent enough to stab and decapitate somebody, then there's no fucking way he's "too insane to know better".

Either that or they're unpredictable enough that leaving them alive is just begging for the same thing to happen again.

 

[ReepNeep]

So let's see:

<link=http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=5e5e949c-989a-47f7-86da-53801510af24>Situation 1: Some guy stabbed and beheaded another guy on a greyhound bus. He gets an insanity plea and walks out free with therapy.

Situation 2: My cousin does heroin and finds himself deported from the United States, he isn't allowed to go back.

Please clarify what I'm obviously missing here.

Was the man who murdered the other guy an American born person? 'cause if your cousin wasn't a citizen, the government would be like "Lets make an example of him!"

It isn't 'make an example' as much as 'hes your problem, now'. The US usually deports foreign nationals who commit felonies. Makes more sense than paying to feed and house them for years in a prison. Let their home country deal with them.

 

[Dragonearl]

The law is an ass?. I am not familiar with US laws but if Heroin is illegal and your cousin is not a US citizen then the US (providing what the rules were for entering the country) might reserve the right to deport anyone not upholding to the rules of the state, depending on the severity of the crime. Perhaps your cousin was a repeat offender or there are more implications here than just heroin. The situation sucks but it's unlikely the US deports people for a single offense. Whatever the case may be, your cousin made a conscious choice knowing full well that it was an illegal activity.

Making an insanity plea is something else entirely. If proven insane it shows that you had no idea what you were doing so the court gives you some slack. i.e- you get sent to a facility.

It's not perfect but thats how the world rolls.

 

[Goldeneye103X2]

Those damn Monkeyfudgers! They deserve to put themselves into jail the bastards!

I mean, I know that nothing in life is fair, but this is ridiculous. Corruption ahoy!

 

[Kontar]

Well, if they'd just legalize all drugs already >.>

Psst, vote for me.

This.

Really, the amount we spend on the "war on drugs" is rediculous, we learned our lesson back in the 20's and 30's with prohibition of alcohol, why can we not learn the exact same lesson with other drugs now. Just legalize every drug, and tax them, increasing the tax based on how damaging the drug is to your health.

OT: Yeah that is pretty messed up, but it amazes me what the "insanity plea" will do, in my opinion we should send all insane murderers to death, what are we gaining by keeping them in asylums? Lets be real, those kind of crazy people will never leave the asylums. Plus they murdered someone, so if we live in a country that has the death penalty (which I am against, don't get me started) we should put to death everyone who deserves it, regardless of mental capacity.

 

[Jadak]

The problem is with the beheader getting off easy (albeit, easy might not be accurate, as he'll probably spend a good chunk of the rest of his life in a padded white room rather than the usual prisons).

But fairness in things is not required, and some guy not getting executed like he shouldn't doesn't make me any less in favour of heroin doing foreigners getting kicked out, I just wish the local junkies could be deported as well.

 

[Terramax]

...
Please clarify what I'm obviously missing here.

It's called 'human rights', and it makes no sense at all.

 

[BonsaiK]

So let's see:

<link=http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=5e5e949c-989a-47f7-86da-53801510af24>Situation 1: Some guy stabbed and beheaded another guy on a greyhound bus. He gets an insanity plea and walks out free with therapy.

Situation 2: My cousin does heroin and finds himself deported from the United States, he isn't allowed to go back.

Please clarify what I'm obviously missing here.

The guy who stabbed the other guy on the bus will probably fail his US visa application too. I don't see a double-standard here.

 

[Jou]

So let's see:

Situation 2: My cousin does heroin and finds himself deported from the United States, he isn't allowed to go back.

First of all, good. Secondly, was he here legally to begin with? In any case, a felony is more than enough reason to get kicked out of a country. Hell in some countries it is the death penalty. He was a retard, he got deported. No foul there.

 

[Cocal]

I don't mean to be a jerk but for one, the guy is not going to see the 'real' world not even with the insanity plea. He's going to spend life in a mental institution or he's going to prison they're not gonna let him in public, at least I hope people are sensible enough not too. And two, if you use anything that is not grown from the earth then you're dumb. Don't get me wrong being thrown out of the country for a drug offense (even if it's the single most evil drug offense of them all) is a bit harsh, also what the fuck is this concept of fair that all humans need to abide by, what the fuck is this? Do you see all the lions sharing a meal with a hyena? Do you see a wolf not kill a sheep because it think it wants to be fair and give it time to live? No because a wolf is fucking hungry. Back on topic, using heroin and supporting heroin is just a really fucking dumb thing to do.