Humans: Are we evil?

Strain42

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Glass Joe the Champ said:
Strain42 said:
According to Community, we are.

That's why Greendale finally beat City College in the debate tourney.
Here's the real proof that people are evil: That show might get cancelled due to poor ratings and it didn't even get nominated for any Emmys.
I'm happy as long as it gets just one more season. Use season 4 to wrap up the show and I'll be happy.

I actually dunno how they were planning on going more than 4 years anyway since each season is a year...

But yeah, I think it's one of the best shows on TV. It'd suck if it got canceled when it's so close to possible finale status.
 

greatcheezer2021

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in our hearts we all truly can be good and have the capability to do so.
the actions we do that some may claim to be for a "good or better one" may be viewed in the wrong light which is labeled as "wrong or evil". and self-less actions that will be committed for whatever reason will always face opposition.

for example:

one man fights for his country. purely and unabashedly because he loves his homeland, family and friends alike. he may fight for his country because its the only home he has truly ever known. he may fight because he has put much of his trust in his fellow countrymen who inspire him to fight for it as well. whatever his reasons, his enemy will view him as a evil man fighting for a "evil empire" and he may be compelled to do the same. he may show compassion, he may show no quarter. whatever his actions, he will witness the deaths of his people and appropriately label his enemy. but in a dark time as such he will be upheld by his country as the brave hero who is doing his duty. some of his people will not agree with his sense of duty as others do, but many will.

or. . .

a man and his posse rob/hold hostage a financial highrise that belongs to the "enemy". (government, corporation, you name it.)
they destroy it, claiming hundreds of lives and billions in investments to spend for the next attack and to give back to the oppressed. meanwhile the opposing force labels them as evil-doers and radical separatists (whatever dirty name you want to call em) and sics their media and much of their funding into their propaganda machine.
the fugitives return to their home, revered as heroes as this is one big step in the many that will follow to destroy the "evil empire". they may or may not care they are labeled as "rebels" or "savage militant bastards", because they had to blow up some innocents to indirectly strike at the enemy. they may express remorse, or none for the "bastards responsible" that hold equally no remorse for their own crimes. these are all sacrifices that they have viewed unfortunate but necessary. they are fighting for good cause in their country eyes and some others. however many will shun them for their reasoning, they will fight in belief it is the right thing to fight for.


kids picking on other kids is natural. people picking on other people is normal. war is the ultimate evil facet that mankind has created and escalated from throwing rocks to swords to finally firearms. forces that will fight each other with or without question and spare little or none.

who is good and who is evil is determined by the victor. who is truly good or evil must be understood by all and both sides. there is truth and there is lies. there are war atrocities and human rights alike but the light in which they are committed must be viewed unbiased and justly. both sides must pay reprimands or there is no good and only a shaken shattered world of men.

there are all sorts of evil. some misinterpreted mental disorders. some for deliberate pleasure or recompense. most of em committed in war so i figured itd be a good example. these are my two cents.
 

RicoGrey

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Yeah, we are inherently evil...also inherently good and inherently everything in between. Humans...we're complicated.
 

NightmareWarden

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As a whole, we're very chaotic. Not necessarily destructive, in that sense, but what is considered natural at so-and-so point in history would be considered crazy or ridiculous today. So by chaotic I guess I mean freaky and complicated. It is difficult to judge humans as a whole though. It varies on a person by person basis, just look at an alignment chart off the internet.
 

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I was just reading Hobbes and Rousseau. I don't think humans are inherently good or bad. I think they are neutral (unless born a sociopath). As humans we can be both evil or good, but are inherently neither.
 

Wuggy

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No, we are not inherently evil. We aren't inherently good either. We are inherently human. By our nature we are selfish, but that's not evil, that's survival instinct. I don't think objective morality doesn't exist, so I don't really see any other way I could answer this.
 

Korolev

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We're complex. At the root of it all, most of us want survival. It's in our genes. Animals that don't want to survive.... don't. And then they don't reproduce if they don't survive. Humans want to survive, obviously.

Now, because we are a clever species with unusual abilities, we can form things like societies and communities. This is beneficial: A lone human wandering on the Savanah ain't gonna live very long if he or she has to fight and find food for themselves. Those clever humans who entered societies and co-operated with others tended to live longer and have more children. So, natural selection selected for humans who were co-operative and sane enough to form communities.

However, this is where it gets complicated. At the root of the issue is, again, survival. Instead of individual concerns over survivability, humans started to care about the survivability of the group (so long as the group was perceived to take care of them). But humans then started fighting with other groups to ensure that their group survived. Over time, these "groups" have grown larger: From families, to clans, to tribes, to settlements, to villages, to towns then to cities, then nation-states and finally to empires or Supra-national blocs. Because humans form emotional attachments to their group and derive a sense of identity and place in them, they resist merging with other groups, even if it would make sense to do so. That's why humans still fight over petty differences and resources - we're still fighting for the survival of "our tribe" against "other tribes", because we think in the long term, our children and our families will have a better chance of survival in our group.

So what about anti-social miscreants? Serial killers? Bad people? Well, no one ever said humans were simple. Our neurological make-up IS determined in part by our genes. There is good evidence that genes can affect things like your temper, propensity to commit violent acts, sexual infidelity and your ability to empathize. However, genes don't exert TOTAL control - there is a fair amount of random chance in development. Genes can also mutate, or fail to function correctly - biology is messy, and humans follow developmental TRENDS, but we don't grow or form in EXACTLY the same way. This means that there WILL ALWAYS be psychopaths whose brains formed badly, or people who lack empathy. Also, we have emotional and animalistic traits that are hang-overs from our more primitive past. We have a rational intellect, but we also have a primitive emotional side to us. Our rational intelligence has allowed us to create a society and a civilization.... but since evolution works on the scale of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS to MILLIONS of years, we haven't evolved well enough to keep up with our radical social changes. In the past, Rape was evolutionarily selected for - the more women you got pregnant, the more chances your genes would be past down. In the primitive past, where there was no police, no judicial system and where there was no educational system, rape was fairly easy to carry out and get away with. Thus, it was selected for.

But natural DOES NOT MEAN GOOD. Rape is a horrible crime. It always was, it always will be. Our rational side realizes this: we want to live in a society in which rape does not occur, because we want to live in a society in which harm and distress are to be kept to an absolute minimum. We also have other ways of reproducing and having families other than rape. Our intellect has allowed us to construct a society in which not only is Rape disadvantageous to your ability to have a family (you could end up in jail, and the victim would get an abortion), but acknowledged as a evil act since we have been educated and brought up in a society in which we should consider our fellow citizens and human beings as members of our "group". Unfortunately, the animal still exists within us, and until we introduce genetic alterations, it always will.

Violence and anger and "Us Vs Them" attitudes are all hangers on from our animalistic, primitive, brutal past. We still feel illogical, insane emotions because our brains are FLAWED. Deeply, deeply flawed.

But there is hope: we're also an intelligent species. A malleable species. Part of living in a society is the ability to blend into that society. We have neurological and mental tools that allow us to be educated and alter our behaviour. We couldn't create new societies if we didn't have such mental tools. Progress IS possible. Although rape was common place in our past (and sadly, in some parts of the world, it still is), most developed countries now outlaw it. Our society is finally seeing the negative, horrific aspects of rape, and we have tried to ban it. Women used to be horrifically oppressed throughout human history because in the past it was genetically advantageous to keep your wife at home birthing kids all the damn time. But now, with our industrial society, we need to recognize that women being in the work force and being able to think and speak for themselves is infinitely more humane and advantageous, since it makes our workforce at least 50% more productive and inventive. Violence used to be a great way of getting food for "your group", and although we still fight, we have learned that random, anarchaic violence against your own citizens is a bad thing for the stability of society.

We're learning. We're growing. But although we develop intellectually and culturally every single day, our biology takes CONSIDERABLY longer to develop. We'll be stuck with animalistic traits for the conceivable future.

The greatest weapon against evil is education and cultural development. Of course, you'll always get your psychopaths who have damaged brains and empathy centres - and you'll have to remove those people from society by placing them in prison (castrating them too would be a good idea, but only for the really crazy ones: Serial killers and torturers. They shouldn't be allowed to have kids).

This is why I am in favour of mass genetic alteration to the human genome. It's partially the reason I went into genetics. Nature can't move fast enough for us to get rid of our animalistic, moronic, primitive emotions. Our intellect is continuously chained to this awful beast of stupidity and backwardsness. If nature will not quickly get rid of our inner demons... why not science? Let our intellect kill off the barbarian in us, otherwise we'll be stuck with it for who knows how long?

TL:DR? We're living in a 21st society with brains that evolved to live in the Savannah. We're Cro-Magnons in suits. We're smart enough to construct societies and laws, and still base enough to want "what's best for us, personally". We're conflicted. We're both good and bad, intelligent and stupid, incredibly developed in some ways and INCREDIBLY primitive in some other ways. We don't always do what is rational. We're not always consistent.

We're 2 parts intellect and 1 part brute.
 

Kirchhoff42

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"evil" depends on the eye of the beholder. what some see as evil, is a good deed for others. it is varying and can not be specified.
 

Knusper

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yes I am

Great song aside, we are inherently flawed but not many of us actually try to be evil.
 

ChadSexington

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Evil is subject to opinion I guess. What some people see as evil others see as justified. What some see as good others see as a waste of time or misguided. No matter what someone does chances are there will be a positive and a negative so it's up to you to decide what your perception of good and evil is and whether or not you think you can apply this perception to a race as a whole in order to classify them.

I'm not having a go at you, I'm just saying that you can't really answer that question.
 

KnightDragul

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My answer goes to Agent Smith from the Matrix:

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM1-DQ2Wo_w
 

DarthSka

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Really hard to say. Basically, evil, good, and anything in between is entirely subjective. Hell, some people think video games, but are they? To them, they are. To others, no. Basically, to some, yes we are. To others, no we're not.
 

Fitzcaraldo

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I don't think so. We have a huge capacity for evil, but also a huge capacity for good. We do so much that is horrifying and despicable but also so much that is good and wonderful.
 

Flamezdudes

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It depends on what you categorize as "Good" and what is "Evil". I'd say we're a mix, we have the potential for both but more often than not we do atrocious acts and act like idiots.
 

Tyrant T100

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We're animals, we have the capacity to be good and to be evil. Sometimes the choice between the two is obvious, however most of the time one man's evil is another man's good.
 

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redisforever said:
What do you think?
We are alone, lost, without purpose, scared and misguided but we're not evil per se.
I like to think that our creator has forsaken us and that's why we can't have nice things. :)