I feel sorry for American School Students

[Jakub324]

I don't entirely get why that's a dick move? Surely it makes it harder to steal? maybe the qeues will be longer, but other than that I can't see why that would be such a bad thing. Maybe unnecessary.

It's annoying because parents can stop kids getting what they want. They can restrict them to main meals instead of a sandwich and a milkshake. It's seen as one step too far in the lower years.

 

[Section Crow]

American School Students - A.S.S , too tempting sorry.

well hate to be shown as more insensitive but it really isn't that surprising to me, mostly because all i know about the American education system is completely based off stereotypical rumours.

 

[Zyntoxic]

Bring your own food to school and there is no problem.

This struck me as just plain dumb, or maybe just not very well considered wording. kind of like Marie Antoinette's supposesd and famous quote "if the poor don't have bread to eat, why won't they eat pastries instead?"

I'm not entierly sure as to how the american schools' food system works, but in Sweden where I come from up until collage food is always included for free in schools.
And here it has been discussed that high quality food in school essential since poor families can't afford sending lunch boxes with their kids too school.

 

[coolkirb]

ahh the education system... the board is elected so technically they do represent the people, as for the whole bad teachers thing I know that the Ontario teachers union is very strong, their pension I believe is the majority owner of toronto maple leafs and I believe they put in a bid with some other companys to buy the toronto stock exchange tmx, as for school I cant complain yeah their are funding problems but schools cost a lot of money and between healthcare, policeing, education and mandatory services their isnt enough money to go around.

 

[coolkirb]

I don't entirely get why that's a dick move? Surely it makes it harder to steal? maybe the qeues will be longer, but other than that I can't see why that would be such a bad thing. Maybe unnecessary.

It's annoying because parents can stop kids getting what they want. They can restrict them to main meals instead of a sandwich and a milkshake. It's seen as one step too far in the lower years.

yeah but people on the escapist allways have a blame the parents attitude, so technically doing that should be a good thing as parents are making sure their kids are not getting fat, then again their is a lot of hypocrisy on this website...........

 

[Susan Arendt]

The problem comes down to funding. Schools are typically allotted a shockingly small amount of money with which to feed students, and the sad truth is that healthy food costs more than unhealthy food. That's also why you'll find McDonald's and other such fast food chains in schools, because the school needs the revenue. You wouldn't think that education would be so unimportant that it would have to scrape for every cent, but sadly, that's the current truth. The state of most public schools' textbooks is utterly depressing.

Also, if we're not supposed to take it as an attack, I'm curious, how are we supposed to take it? Condescending pity?

 

[lokun489]

The reason why i bring this subject up is because i have recently been watching Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I was completely stunned by the reaction of the superintendent (i'm not really sure how important this position is) and how he is allowed to make a universal decision in regard to what children eat.

This just proves to me that the American education system fails at the most basic fundementals.

Please do NOT take this as an attack!!!

Still an attack whether you say it isn't or not based on tittle.
There's a school where children are required to eat the school lunch.

 

[coolkirb]

The reason why i bring this subject up is because i have recently been watching Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I was completely stunned by the reaction of the superintendent (i'm not really sure how important this position is) and how he is allowed to make a universal decision in regard to what children eat.

This just proves to me that the American education system fails at the most basic fundementals.

Please do NOT take this as an attack!!!

See...maybe you should reword things so it doesn't sound like an attack. This superintendent is only in charge of one school district, not all school districts. So saying you feel bad for American students. So you should really say you feel sorry for these students because of this case. And this is one example and not necessarily indicative of the entire school system across all of America. This one case proves only that school district in question has problems and highlights possible problems that could be nation wide.

Also, I do believe you that you weren't trying to attack, merely showing your out rage and sympathy for the students you saw. But there will be others that will use this as another launch point for an verbal attack on America.

Also lastly, I agree there are problems with the American education system but it isn't the food...well not just the food, sometimes the food was good and healthy. But the problem is underfunding and won't be solved with tv chefs coming in and making a salad.

Thankyou for giving me a little more insight into the subject, i understand that a TV chef such as Jamie Oliver can't fix everything. Our Schools (public) aren't great either but i was hoping for a much more mature response and that is why i mentioned it wasn't an attack. Perhaps i could of constructed my wording in a less offensive manner, nevertheless i do believe that all education systems can learn from each other rather than aggresively blocking them out.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, their are problems with the school system in America, but the problems for one district are vastly different that the problems in another. In the case of laws and schools, America shouldn't be looked at as a unified Nation or Country but rather a continent of different States with an over arching Federal Interstate Business government because that is what we have. So the problem in urban California are going to be vastly different than the problem in suburban Indiana and rural Kansas.

I have to go off the topic of food here and point out that America is NOT a continent of different states, it is a continent of different countries. Alaska, Canada and its provinces, aswell as South America (which, believe it or not is a part of the Americas)Mexico, Panama, Chile, Brazil, Columbia, Peru, Argentina, Venezuela and i could go on. USA IS NOT A CONTINENT

Oh I hope your jokeing as you just called Alaska a country also most countries other then Canada and the USA see north and south america as just one big American continent instead of 2 as I believe thats how their taught

 

[PneumaticSuicide]

I appreciate all comments made regardless of them being negative or positive to what i have have said, everyone has the right to their opinion and i thankyou for that. One of the main reasons i made this thread was to get REAL comments on a situation i cleary am less informed about.

Feel free to point out what is YOU think is wrong with the ins and outs of Australia (if you have any thoughts on our laws) and i will be more than happy to answer your views

 

[akavirian_getsu]

google: waiting for superman. (it's a movie, btw)

 

[staika]

That must be a problem that I never saw, at my high school all they served us was healthy food and god was it bad. and I didn't go to a private school I went to a public school, it seems my school was one of the only ones to do this apparently.

 

[PneumaticSuicide]

The reason why i bring this subject up is because i have recently been watching Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I was completely stunned by the reaction of the superintendent (i'm not really sure how important this position is) and how he is allowed to make a universal decision in regard to what children eat.

This just proves to me that the American education system fails at the most basic fundementals.

Please do NOT take this as an attack!!!

Still an attack whether you say it isn't or not based on tittle.
There's a school where children are required to eat the school lunch.

Sorry i am sooooo stoopid, i keep forgetting that even the slightest attempt of even question american values is an attack, Yes it maybe a requirement to eat the school lunch but it does not mean you just feed them burgers and fried shit.

 

[Dragonpit]

Okay, from reading all these posts, I get the gist of the matter. American school system sucks to the point of the need of an overhaul. One thing I don't understand is this: why is the school system being ignored so completely?

 

[Frank_Sinatra_]

The reason why i bring this subject up is because i have recently been watching Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I was completely stunned by the reaction of the superintendent (i'm not really sure how important this position is) and how he is allowed to make a universal decision in regard to what children eat.

This just proves to me that the American education system fails at the most basic fundementals.

Please do NOT take this as an attack!!!

Here's something else that the American School system thinks is a good idea.
School District 51 pays the superintendent $50,000 (that is NOT an exaggeration) a year to drive to and from work. The superintendent lives 6 miles from his office.
So, the School District has had some cuts and now instead of cutting the driving allowance for the superintendent they fired all of their reading aids that they provide for K-5 students.

Let me repeat that because it bears repeating. The School District would rather pay some idiot to drive to and from work than pay for reading aids for students who only work 3 days a week.

Education needs a major reform in this country.

 

[PneumaticSuicide]

The reason why i bring this subject up is because i have recently been watching Jamie Oliver's food revolution. I was completely stunned by the reaction of the superintendent (i'm not really sure how important this position is) and how he is allowed to make a universal decision in regard to what children eat.

This just proves to me that the American education system fails at the most basic fundementals.

Please do NOT take this as an attack!!!

See...maybe you should reword things so it doesn't sound like an attack. This superintendent is only in charge of one school district, not all school districts. So saying you feel bad for American students. So you should really say you feel sorry for these students because of this case. And this is one example and not necessarily indicative of the entire school system across all of America. This one case proves only that school district in question has problems and highlights possible problems that could be nation wide.

Also, I do believe you that you weren't trying to attack, merely showing your out rage and sympathy for the students you saw. But there will be others that will use this as another launch point for an verbal attack on America.

Also lastly, I agree there are problems with the American education system but it isn't the food...well not just the food, sometimes the food was good and healthy. But the problem is underfunding and won't be solved with tv chefs coming in and making a salad.

Thankyou for giving me a little more insight into the subject, i understand that a TV chef such as Jamie Oliver can't fix everything. Our Schools (public) aren't great either but i was hoping for a much more mature response and that is why i mentioned it wasn't an attack. Perhaps i could of constructed my wording in a less offensive manner, nevertheless i do believe that all education systems can learn from each other rather than aggresively blocking them out.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, their are problems with the school system in America, but the problems for one district are vastly different that the problems in another. In the case of laws and schools, America shouldn't be looked at as a unified Nation or Country but rather a continent of different States with an over arching Federal Interstate Business government because that is what we have. So the problem in urban California are going to be vastly different than the problem in suburban Indiana and rural Kansas.

I have to go off the topic of food here and point out that America is NOT a continent of different states, it is a continent of different countries. Alaska, Canada and its provinces, aswell as South America (which, believe it or not is a part of the Americas)Mexico, Panama, Chile, Brazil, Columbia, Peru, Argentina, Venezuela and i could go on. USA IS NOT A CONTINENT

Oh I hope your jokeing as you just called Alaska a country also most countries other then Canada and the USA see north and south america as just one big American continent instead of 2 as I believe thats how their taught

Sorry i did make that mistake of Alaska being a country and yes north and south America are considered seperate continents however for the sake of an arguement i was willing to combine the two and seeing as only one person noticed i guess it was worth it

 

[Gammaj4]

Ahh, so nice to be homeschooled. No muss, no fuss, no drama.

 

[snave]

You think that's bad? Teachers NEVER get fired here even if they are friggin sex offenders!

Guess what! We have the same problem here (Australia)!!!!11 we have sickos that pull their wiener out in front of young children and get let off but if you don't pay a parking fine then jail awaits you....

Can you please cite a specific instance of this? My limited understanding is that Australia swings so far the other way it's not funny. Men simply don't want to be a teacher lest a struggling student lay out an accusation as blackmail. I had this strange impression the system was in desperate need of male teachers as a result. Have I been fed complete codswallop here?

 

[TheDooD]

Our education system is failing us and deserves attack.

I think one major problem is how involved our Federal government gets in the way. They seem to think that they can decree how our education works, and that the same education will work for everyone.

Money is not an issue. Which school district in this country receives the most money per student in this country? Which school district also has the worst test scores in the country? Its Washington D.C., managed by Congress. They cant fix their own district, but tell us we cant leave any children behind...

This is truth because I grew up in DC schools until I was like 9-10 b4 I moved to North Carolina just want the "No Child Left Behind" bullshit started. In DC schools they never taught us to a good standard so when I left those schools, I wasn't no where near a 5th grade level in NC standards so they send me back to the 4th grade half way through the year and I was still somewhat struggling. The NC school system seemed good until a 4-5 years to the present where its full of corruption and hypocrisy. This After they kicked me out of school for being sick on 18th birthday and a week after that. Then they got rid of my files so where I'll have to wait until next year to restart b4 I could finish 12th grade.

Now its all about supporting this new system where they heavily push math and science. Where English, history and other subjects are pretty much ignored. At the same time they're cutting school funding and jobs. They have no idea where to send kids to school because the busing system is so fucked up since every year or so the districts change forcing kids to change schools if they're being bused. Now the annoying ass NAACP is saying the changes to the busing system is racist because it focuses on neighborhood schools then wasting a lot of time and effort on busing kids dependant on their district and social diversity.

Those idiots don't realize it not the school's fault it "sucks" its the kids. If the kids in a neighborhood aren't gonna go do the work its only hurting them. I was at "white majority" schools through my time in NC and the majority of black kids didn't change their ways because of the school they were at or the people they hung out with overall they didn't care. The only thing they hated was waiting for like 45 mins to an hour for a bus where there was a VERY good school like 10-15 mins away.

 

[PneumaticSuicide]

There was an instance of a teacher in who was caught 3 times before being stripped of his of his teaching credentials, i cannot put a name or place to the story as it is still going through the courts here, however, once should be more than enough. I'm tired of people like this allowed to exist in public

 

[RabbiiFrystofsk]

I may be wrong on the matter but isn't it the case in America that you don't actually get to choose which schools you go to? You merely have to go the one that's closest to you in your state? I think i may be correct as i recall some woman being arrested for fraud or something of the like because she faked documents to get her child into a much better school in the state neighbouring her.
Isn't part of the problem that the schools don't actually have to put any effort in to win families over as they have to send their kids their regardless of whether it's shit or not? I say this because in England (more so the big cities with a larger proportion of schools) schools basically compete with one another to win over parents to get them to send their kids their, thus they have to look good and perform well to stand any chance of getting the students they need/want.
I could be just talking complete shit so apologies.