AverageJoe said:
I'm not looking down on anyone, I'm aware there are great classic games, and like I said, I don't have much opinion on Ocarina of Time in particular.
What pisses me off, are when people hail some games as the best thing since sliced bread even though literally every single aspect of their gameplay, design, production values, and everything else, are achaic and have been improved upon in every conceivable way since the game was released. It's one thing to appreciate what a game has done for the industry in the past and give it the reward its due for helping further our medium, its another thing entirely to still hold that game up as "the best game evar" even if its entirely dated and worthless as a game by itself in the current state of the market.
Again, im not talking about Zelda here, but I was saying to the OP that its good to challenge older games that are held in high regard if we dont believe they should be, regardless of how much flak we get from "hardcore gamers" for doing it. Take a game like Deus Ex for example, the game has absolutely no worth today if you forget what it did in the past; its just a big clunky mess with zero production values. It gives you a lot of options, none of which are at all polished or refined. Its painful to play. Yet hipster gamers regard it as of one of the best first person games ever of which nothing has ever come close to surpassing. Bullshit, everything it has done has been done 10 times better; and if Deus Ex was released today it would be entirely disregarded with 4.0 review scores and wouldn't even gain even a fraction of the fanbase it has today.
When I refer to Ocarina of Time as the greatest game ever made, I mean it the same way a movie enthusiast might say Citizen Kane is the greatest film. Sure, their groundwork has been improved on, but it's still their groundwork. Ocarina isn't my favorite, but unless something even more revolutionary comes around, I will continue to consider it the best. If you don't like it, that's fine. However, calling it terrible isn't "challenging" it...it's just trying to get attention by bashing something many gamers love and most at least respect.
The OP isn't getting flak because he didn't like Ocarina of Time. He's getting it because he rage quit during a relatively easy part, declared it the worst thing ever, and claimed we only liked due to nostalgia. The flak was well deserved. While some classics have their flaws (Mario 64's camera, Deus Ex's user-unfriendlyness), that doesn't counteract any good it did for the industry.
Yeah, calling people hipsters 'cause they still love an older game...when I told you to stop looking down on people for their gaming preference, this is what I was talking about. Also, "retro gamer" would have been a better label. As for Deus Ex...I'm having a hard time with it, but I wouldn't claim its fans only like it due to nostalgia or call them hipsters. Most likely, they just remember their old strategies, just like I do with my favorite user-unfriendly game...Morrowind.
Anyway, like I said, when you play a classic, you must accept its flaws. Deus Ex isn't the most user-friendly game I've ever played, but I'm not giving up on the first mission 'cause I died quickly. Even if I can never get into it, I'm not gonna "call out" the fans each time I see someone praising it. That'd just be stupid.
If you don't like most older games, that's fine. Not everyone can get pass some minor flaws in order to get a better understanding of gaming's history. I completely disagree with you original point...games do not inherently age worse than other mediums' classics. While classic Lit has an amazing command of words, I'm use to books being more concise. Both styles have their advantages, but I'm just not used to really wordy books. Does that mean the Lord of the Rings books are bad and that its fans are just nostalgic. Of course not.
