I left my girlfriend so I would never have to play another JRPG...
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Many of this guy's arguments had to do with JRPGs not IMMEDIATELY EXPLAINING every single facet of their game world. The problem with this is that doing so would mean spending six hours on an opening cutscene, which would bring him to one of his OTHER problems, which is that JRPGs spend too much time on exposition.
In short, his position is that JRPGs should not have their own game worlds.
Also, if JRPGs were made to have more WRPG properties, then they would be WRPGs.
In short, his position is that JRPGs should not have their own game worlds.
Also, if JRPGs were made to have more WRPG properties, then they would be WRPGs.
Yeah, my troll sense is tingling. Move along, people, nothing to see here.Unmitigated Hatred said:
Dude that was WAY too many words and wall o' text crap. Sorry i couldnt read it all.
And i was really expecting a relationship thread but instead i got a long wordy JRPG hate thread.
Sigh, and annother one bites the dust.
And i was really expecting a relationship thread but instead i got a long wordy JRPG hate thread.
Sigh, and annother one bites the dust.
"Morrowind was one of my favorite games ever and I have no idea what the fucking plot was. I did not give literally a single fuck about what as going on." Literally eh? Yeah, its hard to have sex while playing Morrowind.
No we can't both be right this isn't a matter of opinions I have a bullshit degree and that makes my opinion more vaild than yours. Either one of us is right or wrong there is no middle ground. It's not possible that some JRPGS are good and some aren't Yahtzee says that they're bad so they must be.Gigaguy64 said:
Ok I couldn't be bothered to read that entire wall of text so I'll just respond to the parts I did read. First how the hell do you figure your Art Degree makes you more qualified to critique video games then anyone else on this site? To me that's like a guy with a Bachelor of Science trying to install his own plumbing. Your ignorant, grandiose, and unfounded opinions are still ignorant, grandiose, and unfounded; the only difference is you come across as a much bigger pompous-ass
Second, have you played every JRPG ever made? No? Then shut up!
Second, have you played every JRPG ever made? No? Then shut up!
And I take exception to this. Don't pretend to know anything about Carl Jung. He wasn't saying that storytelling was a universal sharing so you could pretend that art can be objectively "bad". He never said that and never implied that, and pulling Jung's name out of your arse like that looks silly to anyone who knows what he was really talking about.Unmitigated Hatred said:
His concept of archetypes might have been generically applied to aesthetics to point out universal themes and the like, but Carl Jung was not an art critic, he was a psychologist, and he is no authority in the discipline of criticism. Hell, even in mainstream psychology itself he is widely discredited these days (not that I don't admire his work, I do), so let's not pretend his work has scientifically verified value.
Then there's the fact that he didn't mean, like you imply here, that people couldn't have differing opinions (or that we all subconsciously agree on any one thing, we don't, and anyone who says that is crazy, lying or misinformed), just that some themes could invoke empathy in everyone because they represented common experiences, like knowing someone who died, the challenge of meaning or meaninglessness in life, widespread myths and symbols, and the like. Besides, who said that the collective unconscious was an objective stream of thought and that agreeing with it made you correct by default? Jung certainly didn't. So where did this idea come from? Your own head, and your assumptions, I'd wager.
I happen to be a Bachelor of Arts student myself, about to start my third year, and I know for a fact that what we spend those entire three years learning is that you can't pretend anything is objectively bad art, except if you're the teacher (which is hypocritical, but the first part is right). Using an Arts degree as backup for a statement that something can be objectively bad is like using a Science degree to prove that the Norse god Thor exists - good luck with that, it's not what it's made for.
I also know fallacies when I see them. The fact that "a huge group of people" can come to a "consensus" that something is badly made doesn't make it objectively bad, it makes it subjectively bad. You're citing opinion as evidence of fact. You then go on to cite a movie that plenty of people actually loved (financial success doesn't lie, and critics didn't bash it that hard; it got average, three star ratings from publications like Entertainment Weekly and 63% on user-based rating system Rotten Tomatoes) and say that there was a consensus that it was terrible (so the people who liked it don't exist and since they differ from you, they're objectively wrong, right?). To add your icing on the cake, you use a Youtube video as your evidence of a so-called fact. No offence, but if I tried - on purpose - to lump a bonanza of fallacies one on top of the other, I couldn't do it better than you just did.
You can make fun of things as much as you want - knock yourself out, I don't give a toss if you make fun of any genre - just don't pretend you're objectively justified in doing so. No one with a brain falls for that.
*cough* I'm sorry I haven't played Xenosaga. Maybe we're talking about two different games?Unmitigated Hatred said:
Well anyways, Homeworld Cataclysm isn't a sequel as such to HW as a single player rpgish storyline heavy mod released as a standalone from completely different developers. It's worth checking out for it's fantastic story development and delivery and frankly the best most immersing voice acting you will ever hear in a video game.
enzilewulf said:
There is no justice in the world!
I...need...to....prevent more stupid people!
See, this is what starts halocasts. (no I can't spell that word.) when a stupid get the Other guys dream girl!Dr. wonderful said:
Firstly, in response to your claim of credability being centred around you having an art degree, I have to say that posessing said degree says bugger all in terms of your artistic taste and integrity. An artist's work should speak for itself, the quality of your paintings/scultures/drawings/photos/sketches/music/film etc. should act as evidence of your artistic knowledge and experience rather than an abritrary qualification (art is a subjective thing and cannot be quantified or analysed, everyone's perception, opinion and experience will be different). In my eyes (and the eyes of many on here) your art degree is worthless and the fact that you proudly use it as an excuse to say you're right works against you and reduces the validity and integrity of what you're saying.
Onto the topic of RPG's, they are typified for having better storytelling than any other genre due to the fact that the player is required to play the role of the main character(s) (hence the name 'Role Playing Game') which in turn results in a greater level of immersion and interest in the plot (since you are more involved in the events that occur). Western and Japanese RPG's both have fundamental simmilarities in the way the narrative is delivered (character driven plots from the perspective of a character you assume the role of) but differ in style, design and presentation (so it's not a case of what's better or worse, just what you happen to prefer).
Onto the topic of RPG's, they are typified for having better storytelling than any other genre due to the fact that the player is required to play the role of the main character(s) (hence the name 'Role Playing Game') which in turn results in a greater level of immersion and interest in the plot (since you are more involved in the events that occur). Western and Japanese RPG's both have fundamental simmilarities in the way the narrative is delivered (character driven plots from the perspective of a character you assume the role of) but differ in style, design and presentation (so it's not a case of what's better or worse, just what you happen to prefer).
I don't have a fancy art degree, but I do study media production - including writing, and something all JRPGs have in common is the hero's journey - that's why the story lovers keep coming back for more.
I'm sorry you find JRPGs outdated and dull, but for me they are still my favourite genre. I don't like WRPGs; from what I've seen they're colourless, gritty, with a focus on violence and sex(correct me if I am wrong), and I don't want that from my RPG experience. I like creative landscapes, colourful characters and that anime flair. Turn based is an option and no longer the norm, and when turn based is utilised, it's done creatively, such as Shadow Hearts' judgement ring, Lost Odyssey's ring, and the light/shadow system in Eternal Sonata.
What I got from your post is that you're someone who did love JRPGs at one point, but realised recently they weren't your thing anymore. That's all well and good, but don't give people your cynical opinions as if they were solid facts. Next time start a discussion, rather than give a sermon.
Edit: Furthermore, I worked in Wollongong University's Faculty of Arts for 2.5 years, what were your majors? Arts Degree says little at this point, you could have been studying languages, philosophy, history or whatever.
I'm sorry you find JRPGs outdated and dull, but for me they are still my favourite genre. I don't like WRPGs; from what I've seen they're colourless, gritty, with a focus on violence and sex(correct me if I am wrong), and I don't want that from my RPG experience. I like creative landscapes, colourful characters and that anime flair. Turn based is an option and no longer the norm, and when turn based is utilised, it's done creatively, such as Shadow Hearts' judgement ring, Lost Odyssey's ring, and the light/shadow system in Eternal Sonata.
What I got from your post is that you're someone who did love JRPGs at one point, but realised recently they weren't your thing anymore. That's all well and good, but don't give people your cynical opinions as if they were solid facts. Next time start a discussion, rather than give a sermon.
Edit: Furthermore, I worked in Wollongong University's Faculty of Arts for 2.5 years, what were your majors? Arts Degree says little at this point, you could have been studying languages, philosophy, history or whatever.