How so? he is a very well written villianKahunaburger said:Galbatorix from eragon haha. Movie or books.
How so? he is a very well written villianKahunaburger said:Galbatorix from eragon haha. Movie or books.
First off, I tip my hat to you for your dissemination of a plot that I admittedly had difficulty understanding. I still don't think there's any depth to Mercer (or the virus that thinks it's Mercer) as a villain. I just don't see "petty revenge and cowardice" translating to readily murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents. If the virus, while it thought it was Mercer, had at least hesitated at first, before becoming accustomed to and eventually loving the juicy act of murder, I might have found it less ridiculous.JdaS said:Okay. I've played Prototype WAY too many times. Allow me to weigh in.Harry Mason said:Again, there's petty revenge, and then there's psychotic mass murder. There's a difference between "fuck those guys! I hate them!" and eating old ladies. And as far as I could tell from the plot, the personality of the Prototype was based off of Alex Mercer, not the creator of the Blacklight virus. Why else would he run around going "WHAT AM I!? WHAT'S GOING ON!" the entire game.
Also, that REALLY needed a spoiler tag...
When you take control of that slab of meat on the morgue table you are NOT Alex Mercer. You are the Blacklight virus that took over Mercer's body when he smashed that vial and got gunned down. For some reason the virus "thinks" that it is Mercer and for the first 60-70%(?) of the game you're indeed running around crying about your memory loss. That is until the virus finds out that it's only that, a virus.
The real Alex Mercer was already a douche nozzle before Blacklight, as mentioned by DarkRyter (a guy releases a deadly virus and dooms NYC for petty revenge and cowardice???), if he got those powers and wanted revenge he sure as hell wouldn't care who he kills on the way, the virus itself? It's a virus. Its sole purpose is to create death and destruction, so much so that in Prototype 2 it creates a foil apparently just for kicks.
This is by no means srsbznz to me. Just saying that Prototype had a good story. There were poorly written characters in there. ZEUS just isn't one of them.
If I remember right, killing innocent people isn't really part of the game, you fight against infected people and the military, while absorbing people who have information regarding who and what you areHarry Mason said:First off, I tip my hat to you for your dissemination of a plot that I admittedly had difficulty understanding. I still don't think there's any depth to Mercer (or the virus that thinks it's Mercer) as a villain. I just don't see "petty revenge and cowardice" translating to readily murdering hundreds of thousands of innocents. If the virus, while it thought it was Mercer, had at least hesitated at first, before becoming accustomed to and eventually loving the juicy act of murder, I might have found it less ridiculous.JdaS said:Okay. I've played Prototype WAY too many times. Allow me to weigh in.Harry Mason said:Again, there's petty revenge, and then there's psychotic mass murder. There's a difference between "fuck those guys! I hate them!" and eating old ladies. And as far as I could tell from the plot, the personality of the Prototype was based off of Alex Mercer, not the creator of the Blacklight virus. Why else would he run around going "WHAT AM I!? WHAT'S GOING ON!" the entire game.
Also, that REALLY needed a spoiler tag...
When you take control of that slab of meat on the morgue table you are NOT Alex Mercer. You are the Blacklight virus that took over Mercer's body when he smashed that vial and got gunned down. For some reason the virus "thinks" that it is Mercer and for the first 60-70%(?) of the game you're indeed running around crying about your memory loss. That is until the virus finds out that it's only that, a virus.
The real Alex Mercer was already a douche nozzle before Blacklight, as mentioned by DarkRyter (a guy releases a deadly virus and dooms NYC for petty revenge and cowardice???), if he got those powers and wanted revenge he sure as hell wouldn't care who he kills on the way, the virus itself? It's a virus. Its sole purpose is to create death and destruction, so much so that in Prototype 2 it creates a foil apparently just for kicks.
This is by no means srsbznz to me. Just saying that Prototype had a good story. There were poorly written characters in there. ZEUS just isn't one of them.
But wasn't the man responsible (Zakhaev) for that already dead? Sure Makarov was out there, but I have no idea what he specifically did in relation to that incident. All I knew going in was that he was a weapons dealer and such, though I guess I could fill in the dots from there. But if his neutralization was so important, and Shepherd was able to put one of his operatives that close, why didn't I get the option to just shoot him and then make a standard Micheal Bay escape from his cronies?artanis_neravar said:Maybe it's been said, but he went crazy after the nuke went off in the first game killing tens of thousands of his troops. When he saw that the world wasn't going to do anything about it he decided to take control and do something himselfThe Wykydtron said:Ummm that General guy from MW2
He betrays you and goes kill crazy with some private army he pulled out of his ass for no reason whatsoever. Maybe i need to replay it but i don't think it was ever properly explained. He just went into some semantics over the nature of war to cover up the fact that the writers couldn't think of an actual reason for his actions
Was still pretty entertaining, a "so bad it's good" type thing.
I agree Kefka's motive were shitty (which is why I'd agree with Sephiroth's motives also being shitty) but I at least found Kefka interesting because of his silly demeanor which gave a bit more depth than the angst they basically poured into Sephiroth.Arehexes said:He was well written? How? Just because he was powerful and well respected and went crazy because he found out he was a experiment? If that is the case what about Kefka? He had more or less the same back story (Great rise to the top but went crazy due to a crazy experiment to power up the soldiers, which caused a mental break down which lead said person to destroy the world). Well I agree sephi isn't "bad" he is still a poorly done, I mean there isn't a really good written villain from the Final Fantasy games. Garland wants to live forever, Empoirer wanted power, CoD wanted to return the world to the darkness/Xian wanted revenge for getting the gift of mortal from master Noah, Zeromas wanted to wipe human life on earth for his people on the moon, Exdeath wants to return the world to the void, Kefka wants to destroy happiness and hope from peoples, Sephiroth wants to destroy the world for his "mother", Ultimicia wants to compress time to live for ever (I think I really don't remember), and I don't remember the rest. The FF villains aren't written well at all.eggmiester said:not really dude. what always interested me about sephiroth was the fact that he WAS a good guy- and then he found out about his mam and went nuts.he's interesting because he's a dude who is practically unstoppable physically, but so fragile mentally.he's a well written villian because it actually seems like its impossible to beat him.he's a good villian because EVERY SINGLE TIME he appeared, i thought to myself OH SHIT.Buchholz101 said:Sephiroth.
And cue Flame War.
maybe not the most original villian- but a good one nevertheless.
Well I can see his motivation, it's to prove aOrcus The Ultimate said:the worst badly written antagonist i've seen until now should be
Syndrome !
I thought he was more Hitler-ish wanting pure wizards and no mud-bloods.CupboardNinja said:Voldemort from Harry Potter. He's just evil... cause he's evil.
You bastard, now I'll be stuck there for hours!mornal said:Sorry if it's already been posted but some of the guys in here might be worth a look at.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForTheEvulz
That's the trope for villains who're villains for fun of it. They usually aren't considered examples of good character design (note the usually).
For the record if you hate Fallout 3 due to having played the first 2 than the part where Eden wants to purify the wasteland came from Fallout 2 when the Enclave had an airbourne version of it. Besides the Enclave has no problem with murdering almost everyone but themselves, they're fanatical and believe they have a right to enherit the world.Pandabearparade said:The problem is that a super computer should be familiar with why that's a really bad idea:Blatherscythe said:Eden wanted to "purify" the wasteland by wiping out all semi-mutated life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
A species typically doesn't recover from a population dip like the one he proposes, and would spell certain extinction for the entire human race. A poorly reasoned motive.
Actually, you're wrong. Autumn refused. If he'd agreed, Eden wouldn't have had a ridiculously contrived plot-device to give the protagonist. Autumn -could- have been an excellent villain (or even an anti-hero that I'd have sided with, given the option) with some real development. He wanted to rally the people of the wasteland into accepting the Enclave as an autocratic state by having an endless supply of something very valuable to offer them in return for obedience.Autumn wanted to do the same and also wanted to see the Enclave become the power it was prior to the Oil Rig being nuked.
I fault Autumn for wasted potential and that stupid magical anti-rad shot he gave himself, not motivation.
Agreed. He had an -excellent- voice actor, all he needed was motivations that were more than '...cause I'm so evil!'.Could have done much better for Burke.
Well then you should already know alot if it's so common. .-.triggrhappy94 said:I need to write a soapbox speech (***** about stuff) for an english class, and I chose to write about how a lot of vilians in popular books and movies don't have (good) motives.