I think Lulzec are funny.
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I couldn't disagree more.
Through their actions, they steal private customer information, reveal it to the public and inconvenience not only the company, but it's customer base who does not have any control of the situation. In other words, they hurt the general public first, and corporations second.
Even if Lulzec has no bad intentions with the data, the fact that it is made public means people who HAVE bad intentions now have information to work with before the customer has time to act on it.
Like any police force or position of power...there are certainly some within Lulzec that are acting in personal gain and intend to cause legitimate harm.
The costs required to repair such attacks and make reparations will cost people careers and very much hurt some families. Added security should be placed on sites from the beginning, but it is hardly a profit building expense...these costs will force a businesses to make cuts elsewhere such as through job cuts or increased costs to the customer.
Lastly, if you're genuinely concerned with a company's practice or security...take the proper avenues in order to improve it. Tell them where the system is weak and how it could easily be exploited giving them a chance to make those fixes without major problems.
Through their actions, they steal private customer information, reveal it to the public and inconvenience not only the company, but it's customer base who does not have any control of the situation. In other words, they hurt the general public first, and corporations second.
Even if Lulzec has no bad intentions with the data, the fact that it is made public means people who HAVE bad intentions now have information to work with before the customer has time to act on it.
Like any police force or position of power...there are certainly some within Lulzec that are acting in personal gain and intend to cause legitimate harm.
The costs required to repair such attacks and make reparations will cost people careers and very much hurt some families. Added security should be placed on sites from the beginning, but it is hardly a profit building expense...these costs will force a businesses to make cuts elsewhere such as through job cuts or increased costs to the customer.
Lastly, if you're genuinely concerned with a company's practice or security...take the proper avenues in order to improve it. Tell them where the system is weak and how it could easily be exploited giving them a chance to make those fixes without major problems.
i feel like the only reason they aren't in jail yet is because no one has bothered to find them. I mean come on, they have a friggin hotline! which apparently was shut down yesterday and now they have a new one. how the hell do you set up a truly 'anonymous' phone line? they can't be on the move constantly while hacking and tweeting and taking calls, how has no one found them? They simply must not be looking yet. I would imagine the feds at least in the states are too focused on Anonymous just now, but that's just a theory i have.Grey Walker said:
Actually it's more like they took someone's house key and found out it works for the car too.Daniel Allsopp said:
To a degree he's right. You wouldn't be laughing if they weren't broadcasting. No one would be as interested if they didn't have the whole taunting back and forth thing with the community. Again, I wonder how they still have the same twitter account? Shut down the twitter, shut down lulzsec. Sure they could still post on their website, but really who the fuck cares? People are following the stupid twitter antics. How lulzy would they really be if they only posted a few downloads on the website a few times a day and a list of ddos'd sites?JacobShaftoe said:
ummm no sorry, the example you gave me is wrong, would translate to Lulzsec simply looking at all the account details, then just leaving them as they were, whilst still infiltrating the site.JacobShaftoe said:
They actually went, got the details (as in they took the details) then they shared them with the world.
That's like a burglar taking something out of my house, then leaving it in the street for anyone to use. He still stole it, but just isn't using it.
For the hotline I'd guess a disposable cell phone, although that could easily just be movies. Assuming that the hotline was a phone, that is. I don't know.intheweeds said:
Proxies and bots can mask your IP address if you know what you're doing, and you would need pretty good tech and/or know-how to get past that mask.
That and these guys know what they're doing, as they have hacked government sites, which are the most paranoid and would likely have the best security.
my friend recently pointed out that they seem to be going to after stuff people on the internetz like, mainly games, porn and other entertainment. which is interesting considering that some circles think that they are somehow related to US cyber warfare something and aim to shape public opinion to make it easier to pass certain restrictive laws.
A site that LulzSec uses is the last one that they'll hack. Twitter is protected from them by allowing them to use it for communication.intheweeds said:
its just the phone thing really, i know about the rest of the obfuscation. A disposable phone has no personal details attached to it, sure, but that why i say they can't be on the move, because any cell phone can triangulate its location these days. unless they're moving around all the time, couldn't they be found if one wanted to? not the average person mind you, but say - a pissed off CIA?Grey Walker said:
I think the only funny part is going to be when they get vanned and locked away for a long time.
They ain't evil super villains from beyond the plane of existence. I think they are annoying and a bit obnoxious, but at the moment they haven't committed anything more "evil" than some( fairly annoying and mean spirited) pranks. I don't understand the desire of some to literally put them in jail forever - if I caught them, all I'd do is given them a couple month's community service.
I don't think they are right when they claim that their antics are "inevitable". Humans are complex creatures and we don't have to give in to our instincts. We have functioning brains. They are using human nature as a shield to excuse them for being annoying. That's not very wise.
When (if!) these people actually grow up, they'll probably look back with regret at what they did. I really wonder how old these people are.
Also, for their sake, I hope they stop. While I don't think they are much of a threat to world security, governments will take a far, far, far less kinder view on them. They claim they aren't scared of being caught - but experience shows that most of them will be scared as hell when the police actually knock on their door. While I probably would let most of them off with a caution and a warning, maybe some community service, some government officials are looking to put them away from a long, long, loooooooooong time.
The NSA have technology that allows them to basically pick up ANY electronic communication that occurs anywhere, anytime, in the world. There is NOTHING the USA's NSA cannot do if it really, really wants to. I'm willing to bet that the NSA already knows more than half of the Lulzsec member's names, locations and whereabouts and are still gathering evidence against them. If I were them, I would stop. Now. Some of these hackers live in nations with... pretty bad jails and they don't want to end up in trouble. Some of the Anonymous members involved in the Sony attack that were arrested where in Turkey. They're going to Turkish prisons. Ever seen The Midnight Express? Not a fun time for those folks. I wonder if any of their anonymous comrades feel sorry for what happened to them. Probably not, if I know internet folks (they have an attitude of "everyone for themselves, screw friends", which is why so many roll and become informants when the police arrest them. Remember what happened to Brian Manning, not that I agree with what happened to Brian Manning).
All I know is, I'm not laughing at what Lulzsec does. I don't find them funny. They claim they are in it for the laughs, but they don't care if we laugh along with them. They're not evil, but they are kinda selfish. If they really had noble intentions they wouldn't have released usernames and passwords and they wouldn't bother with going after relatively soft-targets like The Escapist or EVE Online.
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I don't think they are right when they claim that their antics are "inevitable". Humans are complex creatures and we don't have to give in to our instincts. We have functioning brains. They are using human nature as a shield to excuse them for being annoying. That's not very wise.
When (if!) these people actually grow up, they'll probably look back with regret at what they did. I really wonder how old these people are.
Also, for their sake, I hope they stop. While I don't think they are much of a threat to world security, governments will take a far, far, far less kinder view on them. They claim they aren't scared of being caught - but experience shows that most of them will be scared as hell when the police actually knock on their door. While I probably would let most of them off with a caution and a warning, maybe some community service, some government officials are looking to put them away from a long, long, loooooooooong time.
The NSA have technology that allows them to basically pick up ANY electronic communication that occurs anywhere, anytime, in the world. There is NOTHING the USA's NSA cannot do if it really, really wants to. I'm willing to bet that the NSA already knows more than half of the Lulzsec member's names, locations and whereabouts and are still gathering evidence against them. If I were them, I would stop. Now. Some of these hackers live in nations with... pretty bad jails and they don't want to end up in trouble. Some of the Anonymous members involved in the Sony attack that were arrested where in Turkey. They're going to Turkish prisons. Ever seen The Midnight Express? Not a fun time for those folks. I wonder if any of their anonymous comrades feel sorry for what happened to them. Probably not, if I know internet folks (they have an attitude of "everyone for themselves, screw friends", which is why so many roll and become informants when the police arrest them. Remember what happened to Brian Manning, not that I agree with what happened to Brian Manning).
All I know is, I'm not laughing at what Lulzsec does. I don't find them funny. They claim they are in it for the laughs, but they don't care if we laugh along with them. They're not evil, but they are kinda selfish. If they really had noble intentions they wouldn't have released usernames and passwords and they wouldn't bother with going after relatively soft-targets like The Escapist or EVE Online.
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They're criminals. For every good deed they do they steal and publicly display potentially life-altering information on thousands of people They're bastards, and that's all.Funkiest Monkey said:
I've been crying for Anonymous to do something about them, to be honest. The difference between the two groups is this: Anonymous is a hero that also wrecks a whole lot of shit in the process of doing good deeds. Lulzsec is a mass-murdering villain who occasionally stops to throw a hobo enough money to get his life back on track. It'd be better if neither existed, but one is certainly preferable to the other. And it's not Lulzsec.
so they essentially just pay the ransom. that's bullshit. if i was twitter, i would be all the fuck over it. Maybe they are, who knows? doing something behind the scenes, but i would be trying to prosecute if i were them and i were being blackmailed like that. They are maybe not quite as big as sony, but surely they can get some government help if they are concerned. The governments of several countries seem to be quite amenable to pursuing hackers just now. Its just sad that that is the case, surely something can be done. Damn i hate lulzsec!Grey Walker said:
They're just annoying. They attack random locations for no rhyme or reason.
They claimed to attack sony to point out security faults, but after reason asshattery I suspect they were just trying to get peoples' credit cards after seeing the big PSN shutdown.
They attack innocent sites/companies, and think they're the greatest thing to happen to human intellect since the interent.
They're not funny and I can't wait for the world to forget they exist. It'll happen eventually...
They claimed to attack sony to point out security faults, but after reason asshattery I suspect they were just trying to get peoples' credit cards after seeing the big PSN shutdown.
They attack innocent sites/companies, and think they're the greatest thing to happen to human intellect since the interent.
They're not funny and I can't wait for the world to forget they exist. It'll happen eventually...