I want Obsidian to make the next Elder Scrolls game

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The_Blue_Rider said:
No, however I would say, let Obsidian develop Fallout from now on, and Bethesda can focus on the Elder Scrolls completely :D

Its win - win since we get the best possible Elder Scrolls experience, and the best possible Fallout experience
Now this right here is a great idea. It's a shame that it will never happen, Bethesda is probably working on another Fallout game right now instead of The Elder Scrolls VI: Black Marsh (I can dream) like they should be.
 

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Wait... you enjoyed Fallout : NV more then Fallout 3...?
You've got to be kidding me! Bethesda took fallout three, and made it a game to be remembered, then as soon as Obsidian takes back over, they basicly just copy all the ideas from Fallout 3 with a few new added shit, oh now I can attach things to my guns, woop-de-fucking-do.

If Obsidian EVER touches a Elder Scrolls game, I will burn the bulding down, i've been playing the elder scrolls series since Arena, i've loved all of them and I dont want them to be ruined by some company that cant do jack all to make a new and refreshing game. Bethesda is meant for TES series, they made it, and they are not going to give it up.

People keep talking about games being realised like the Twilight Saga, having them just comming out and out, they just get all the same ideas, and paste a few new ideas. Bethesda has totally taken TES, and given it a massive overhall, while keeping in the nice and juicy things that made oblivion great, and adding so many more, to make it like a cake.

I think i've got to lay down for abit...
 

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The_Blue_Rider said:
No, however I would say, let Obsidian develop Fallout from now on, and Bethesda can focus on the Elder Scrolls completely :D

Its win - win since we get the best possible Elder Scrolls experience, and the best possible Fallout experience
Now this right here is a great idea. It's a shame that it will never happen, Bethesda is probably working on another Fallout game right now instead of The Elder Scrolls VI: Black Marsh (I can dream) like they should be.
Yeah its a shame, I hope that Bethesda gives Obsidian another shot though, but I think they sort of doomed Obsidian by making Fallout 3, that introduced a lot of new people to the franchise and and gave them a different expectation of what makes a Fallout game. But it all depends on who they decide to listen to though really and whether they think that Fallout should continue in its more traditional roots, or whether their take on it would be better :\


Still If theres one thing to look forward to, its that the next Fallout will(hopefully) be running on Skyrims vastly superior engine, that I cannot wait for :D
 

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I want Obsidian to stop messing with Bethesda's and Bioware's franchises and get to work on making 'The Wheel of Time' game they've been holding the rights for... or sell the rights off to someone who will.

Obsidian often have great ideas, and reasonably well written stories... marred by buggy sub-standard gameplay. Still, each game I think they have become a little wiser and better.
 

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Gnometron said:
Wait... you enjoyed Fallout : NV more then Fallout 3...?
You've got to be kidding me! Bethesda took fallout three, and made it a game to be remembered, then as soon as Obsidian takes back over, they basicly just copy all the ideas from Fallout 3 with a few new added shit, oh now I can attach things to my guns, woop-de-fucking-do.
In his opinion, yes he did I suppose.

I had a feeling this thread would just turn into a hate thread, instead of people giving their opinion on the matter in a more objective way.
 

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ES should stay with Bethesda, and I disagree that Obsidian made a inferior KoToR.

But the ES games are Bethesda babies. They do them pretty fricking awesome!
 

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Ovoon said:
But if they announce that Bethesda and Obsidian will do annual Elder Scrolls games every two years,
I know this will make me a douche, but that sentence...

O.T:If we get a new Elder scrolls every 2 years or so, won't people just accuse it of being the COD equivalent to fantasy? Won't that just end up causing even more flame wars about it? Won't that leave less time for development?
 

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M4t3us said:
Obsidian, screwing up sequels since KOTOR2 with a metric **ckton of machine freezing bugs...
Maybe, but it was a far more interesting story with deeper philosophical and political questions that KOTOR 1 ever offered to you. KOTOR 1 focused almost entirely around the big twist. KOTOR 2 was a lot more subtle and a lot deeper.
 

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Maybe, but it was a far more interesting story with deeper philosophical and political questions that KOTOR 1 ever offered to you. KOTOR 1 focused almost entirely around the big twist. KOTOR 2 was a lot more subtle and a lot deeper.
Yeah, story-wise KOTOR2 was a step up from the original game. Thing is: I could never finish it because my computer froze up before the final battle with Kreia and after a few patches and a session of banging my head against the wall I gave up.
 

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Amnestic said:
M4t3us said:
Obsidian, screwing up sequels since KOTOR2 with a metric **ckton of machine freezing bugs...
Maybe, but it was a far more interesting story with deeper philosophical and political questions that KOTOR 1 ever offered to you. KOTOR 1 focused almost entirely around the big twist. KOTOR 2 was a lot more subtle and a lot deeper.
But still a bug-infested, decomposing husk of a game. I can understand that LucasArts pretty much forced them to release when they did. But we certainly had the capacity to patch games in 2005, so there is no excuse at all for them leaving it in that state. As far as I'm concerned, Obsidian shouldn't be allowed to make anything until they fix KotOR II.
 

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You know what I'd like to see them do? Skyrim DLC. Don't worry about new engines or landmasses which they're horrible at, just new really well written free form quests and companion characters in the amazing world Bethesda have created.
 

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Aris Khandr said:
But still a bug-infested, decomposing husk of a game. I can understand that LucasArts pretty much forced them to release when they did. But we certainly had the capacity to patch games in 2005, so there is no excuse at all for them leaving it in that state. As far as I'm concerned, Obsidian shouldn't be allowed to make anything until they fix KotOR II.
That's a publisher decision. You can say their reach extended their grasp and given the short timescale they should have gone for something far less ambitious but KotoR 2 was never given a chance, no-one could deliver a good KotoR under those conditions.
 

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Jove said:
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Jove said:
Obsidian made an inferior KOTOR game and Fallout game, I would have a stroke before I hear them even think of making an Elder Scrolls game.
I'd argue that. I thought KotOR II had the potential to be far better than the first in every way, but unfortunately the whole time schedule kerfuffle with Lucasarts ruined that.

In fact, if you look past the flaws, I think the second just edges out the first.
2nd was still really good, but imo, it just falls short story wise, content wise (seriously have you seen the lost content mods? lol), characterization, etc. The exile was great and all but they could have done (and as you said they really could have done a lot more if it weren't for Lucasarts being complete twats), but it wasn't exactly executed as much as I wanted it to.

Oh and don't get me started on the completely non-existence romance...
There's nothing wrong with having no Romance in KOTOR 2. One of the big differences between the first game and the second was that in KOTOR 2 you didn't have amnesia. Yes, you could still make choices that alter the game, but those choices exist within the parameter of who the Exile was before he/she quit the Jedi Order. The Exile was her own person, not the player's.

Chris Avellone, lead writer for KOTOR 2, felt that Bioware's romances were extremely stilted and ham fisted, so he opted to not include them at all. And the game still works without them very well. Hell, even the in game explanation for why everyone follows you backs up why Romance would be a bad option. They follow you because of your influence, but by the end they respect you enough to follow you on their own accord rather than your aura of power.
 

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Aris Khandr said:
Amnestic said:
M4t3us said:
Obsidian, screwing up sequels since KOTOR2 with a metric **ckton of machine freezing bugs...
Maybe, but it was a far more interesting story with deeper philosophical and political questions that KOTOR 1 ever offered to you. KOTOR 1 focused almost entirely around the big twist. KOTOR 2 was a lot more subtle and a lot deeper.
But still a bug-infested, decomposing husk of a game. I can understand that LucasArts pretty much forced them to release when they did. But we certainly had the capacity to patch games in 2005, so there is no excuse at all for them leaving it in that state. As far as I'm concerned, Obsidian shouldn't be allowed to make anything until they fix KotOR II.
Then you'll have to burn down Lucasarts, because they outright refused to let Obsidian continue working on KOTOR 2 when Obsidian offered to release a mass content patch to fix everything that was cut.
 
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Oh look, another "let's hate on Obsidian" band-wagon.

I don't really recommend they make Elder Scrolls games though. They made the first Fallout games and New Vegas is excellent (and as I'll continue to stress, I found more bugs in F3 than I ever did in NV), and I always have confidence in the fact that they will generally produce very good games (and for a group that mocks more unoriginal story you guys sure seem to dislike Obsidian for everything).

As far as I know the Elder Scrolls series has always been Bethesda's though, so it's probably better with them.
 

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If Obsidian did make the next Elder Scrolls game, it would be the only Elder Scrolls game I would never buy. I made a promise to myself a long time ago that I would never buy another Obsidian game again until they create their own engine because that will probably be the only time I can expect them to release a game that isn't full of bugs and crashes.
 

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M4t3us said:
Hmmmm, Bethesda, as in Awesome games with a ton of midly annoying bugs...
Obsidian, screwing up sequels since KOTOR2 with a metric **ckton of machine freezing bugs...

No!
Yea, this would only be a good idea if we really wanted to see a TES game that's constantly crashing rather than occasionally crashing.
 

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M4t3us said:
Hmmmm, Bethesda, as in Awesome games with a ton of midly annoying bugs...
Obsidian, screwing up sequels since KOTOR2 with a metric **ckton of machine freezing bugs...

No!
yes the games they makes may be buggy, but story wise obsidian is likely the best there is, better then bioware likely.
 

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How about instead Bethesda just keep developing The Elder Scrolls. I mean come on, Skyrim is more than just another notch in their belt, it's a huge step up from Oblivion in a lot of respects. I'd rather wait another five years for The Elder Scrolls VI: "insert province of Tamriel here*.
 

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I'm gonna agree with Obsidian doing DLC of some kind, unless the nature of DLC is to introduce some new area like Shivering Isles did in Oblivion. Because if Bethesda isn't adding any new area, they could totally get started on the next ES game if they aren't doing another Fallout, while Obsidian could fill in the DLC gap.