id Software Semi-Denies Doom 4 Screens
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I will never understand how anyone could not find Doom 3 to be the awesome hellishly creepy, demonass-kicking game that it is.evilneko said:
id Software has never disappointed me except once. I thought Quake 3 Arena was kinda suckish, but probably only because I played Unreal Tournament first, which did make Q3 look old.
Other than that, they have my full confidence and I will gladly throw my hard earned cash towards anything they create. Yes, RAGE was great too.
Right. Fine. I'll bite.Tiamat666 said:
It's just not DOOM. It's a lazy knock-off of System Shock and not even as good. The best thing to be said about "Doom" 3 is that someone made a mod painstakingly re-creating the first episode of DOOM.
I actually reinstalled just to try that mod and it is amazing. Look it up--it's well worth it. It's called Classic Doom 3.
I was an original doom 1 and 2 fan when I was younger, and I thoroughly enjoyed Doom 3. I don't get why so many people whine about it...
people complain about the darkness, and whinge about not being able to just have their torch and gun at the same time.
Sometimes it feels like i'm the only one who understands: the reason you can't have a touch out and gun out at the same time is cause that defeats the whole point of the darkness!
No body seems to think about what the darkness was meant to achieve.
It's dark to make you vulnerable, (you have to choose between seeing off into the darkness where the enemies might be hiding, or having your gun instantly at the ready so you can blast whatever jumps out to scare the willies out of you). Being vulnerable causes fear, horror games are based on fear and the excitement that comes with it.
If you're always just this glowing juggernaut of muscles and gunfire it just becomes a mindless shooting gallery, and would quickly get boring.
They needed to make the player vulnerable in some way to make the experience more exciting, but they didn't want to nerf the guns power itself cause that spoils the fun, nor did they want to resort to a cheap tactic like making you have very low health/ the bad guys do ridiculous damage.
So instead they tried to find other ways to do it. Darkness was one of those ways. (As was the way things jump out at you, catching the player off guard is another way of making them feel vulnerable)
Personally I could swap between my flashlight and gun just fine, and if I was particularly worried I'd just keep my gun at the ready and slink my way through the darkness without a light. You don't really need to see what you're blasting, you can worry about that once it's dead XD.
people complain about the darkness, and whinge about not being able to just have their torch and gun at the same time.
Sometimes it feels like i'm the only one who understands: the reason you can't have a touch out and gun out at the same time is cause that defeats the whole point of the darkness!
No body seems to think about what the darkness was meant to achieve.
It's dark to make you vulnerable, (you have to choose between seeing off into the darkness where the enemies might be hiding, or having your gun instantly at the ready so you can blast whatever jumps out to scare the willies out of you). Being vulnerable causes fear, horror games are based on fear and the excitement that comes with it.
If you're always just this glowing juggernaut of muscles and gunfire it just becomes a mindless shooting gallery, and would quickly get boring.
They needed to make the player vulnerable in some way to make the experience more exciting, but they didn't want to nerf the guns power itself cause that spoils the fun, nor did they want to resort to a cheap tactic like making you have very low health/ the bad guys do ridiculous damage.
So instead they tried to find other ways to do it. Darkness was one of those ways. (As was the way things jump out at you, catching the player off guard is another way of making them feel vulnerable)
Personally I could swap between my flashlight and gun just fine, and if I was particularly worried I'd just keep my gun at the ready and slink my way through the darkness without a light. You don't really need to see what you're blasting, you can worry about that once it's dead XD.
As long as it doesn't get too modernised, like having slow arse animations and such, then I'll keep an open mind.
I don't mind regenerating health or 2-4 weapon slots, but sticky controls and slow animations really bug me.
I don't mind regenerating health or 2-4 weapon slots, but sticky controls and slow animations really bug me.
I just hope the final game is as colorful as Doom II was.
Grey, brown, red, and neon blue will not suffice this time.
Grey, brown, red, and neon blue will not suffice this time.
I liked Doom 3 (heck, I made a Mod for it) but let's be honest... 70% of the game was jump scares, 20% was the Hell levels, and the last 10% was legitimately creepy and suspenseful (primarily Delta Labs).Tiamat666 said:
I'm aware that the driver problem wasn't necessarily Id's fault, it was literally the only time where the problems with the drivers were that bad.Zer_ said:
I personally think it would be great if all devs focused a little more on OpenGL rather than directX, or at least use DX11 for PC games. DX9 almost always runs like crap for me compared to DX11. The only reason I still use windows is because I need to use directx for everything I play. If it weren't for that, I'd be all over a unix based OS like Ubuntu or fedora.
Edit: I should say "It was the only time where the driver problems were that bad for me
Bahahahahahahaha. *wipes tears from her eyes* I don't know if it was the look on his face while saying that, or just the comment on a whole, but that was damn hilarious.DVS BSTrD said:
OT: I don't think Doom is really relevant anymore. Seems to me that there is a gaggle of games that do what Doom once did, but much better.
Then tell me why I, my roommate, and Jim Sterling all feel inclined to play Doom about once a month? Don't say nostalgia, because I only played through Doom and Doom 2 4 years ago.Grey Day for Elcia said:
Doom was pure, simple, fun. The thought that iD is even capable of making a game now as flawless as they did then is laughable. Modern shooters are the only thing that sells these days, but the modern shooter is almost another genre from what the original Doom was. There's no way Doom 4 will be as satisfying as Doom 2 was.
As long as they can bring the fun and open feel of the original Doom games to the new generation without too much sacrifice, I'll be happy.
Open spaces are important - because real Doom should be like Doom 1 and 2. Running faster with a train, blasting huge hordes of enemies. And realism may go to hell (considering hell comes to Earth in Doom 4). Or they can tell you that main character has cyber legs.
Doom 1 and 2 are still relevant. Thing is, there are not many games like this. Up to date it's Doom, Doom 2, Painkiller... that's it.
Doom 3... Wasn't a proper Doom. Although it wasn't bad.
My concern is... Feels like iD can't make good games anymore. Only technology, and even that is questionable. Look at Rage. Well, maybe it's not all bad - eventually every company releases something shitty. Bioware released Dragon Age 2 for example.
Doom 1 and 2 are still relevant. Thing is, there are not many games like this. Up to date it's Doom, Doom 2, Painkiller... that's it.
Doom 3... Wasn't a proper Doom. Although it wasn't bad.
My concern is... Feels like iD can't make good games anymore. Only technology, and even that is questionable. Look at Rage. Well, maybe it's not all bad - eventually every company releases something shitty. Bioware released Dragon Age 2 for example.
The technology behind RAGE is quite sound. The unfortunate part about it is that it was greatly marred by poor OpenGL support on modern video cards and how large the game is.Lord_Gremlin said:
The current game is roughly ~22GB. RAGE's large scale use of non-tiled textures contributes a huge amount to that. They could easily push 50GB+ using a less aggressive form of texture compression. Let's get real here, though. Who would download a 60GB game? That's massive. Carmack said they may release a high-res texture pack, and I have yet to see it. I doubt that would happen though. It's a real shame.
I still want my damn map editor though.
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/469737224418773501/D75D75DE40DF72330A8636AEFEA6BCCC5C0960D2/JoesshittyOs said:
Yep, without the mech but for all we know that could be in the finished game anyway.
That aside I am really looking forward to Doom 4, I'll happily play through those levels, especially if it reminds me of Doom 2.
Didn't you ever hear of the duck tape mod for doom 3 released back in 2005 that stuck a flashlight to you machine gun and shotgun. Personally I thought doom 3 was alright, it's good to play for like 30 minutes but it's not epic or even scaryZer_ said:
you can download the latest duck tape mod (just google "doom 3 ducktape")