If mutants became real, which side would you be on?
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I just read three pages of this Forum, and I cannot believe no one has said this. Now, I would be Pro-Mutant if they where real, but if they where real, Why would we try to "demutify" them? Why wouldn't we try to get on their level? Think about it, there are mutants that can shoot laser beams, manipulate minds, turn into beasts, teleport, bend steal, transform into anyone on the planet! I mean, my goodness, think of what we could learn by studying them! We could make all of Humanity on their level! Human Progress isn't accomplished by "Dumbing" down others, it's made by studying and adapting. Science, Politics, Art, Philosophy, all done through study and adapting. To Demutify people would be to censor television, would be to burn heretics at the stake, would be to ban a book due to it's controversial message. We don't need to Demutify the Mutants, we need to Mutify ourselves to be equal to them. That is the only solution. And the only way to accomplish that is to accept Mutants into society.
Look I feel like a Nazi saying it, but we'd need to have a file of all the mutants on hand and keep tabs on them. I suppose we'd need a goverment run academy for them too.
Because this is the problem, you got people suddenly getting eye lazers and being unable to control it. I would never judge a mutant the way the humans did in the cartoons, but it's a fucking problem if suddenly someone gets the ability to explode like an A-Bomb or something and can't control it, for everyone.
That said, I can never understand how the civilians work in the Marvel Universe. So they'll blindly love Captain America, and they have no problem with the Fantastic Four, but they'll treat Beast like a black man at a motherfucking Klu Klux Klan rally? The hell?
Because this is the problem, you got people suddenly getting eye lazers and being unable to control it. I would never judge a mutant the way the humans did in the cartoons, but it's a fucking problem if suddenly someone gets the ability to explode like an A-Bomb or something and can't control it, for everyone.
That said, I can never understand how the civilians work in the Marvel Universe. So they'll blindly love Captain America, and they have no problem with the Fantastic Four, but they'll treat Beast like a black man at a motherfucking Klu Klux Klan rally? The hell?
Well the normies aren't going to want to be like Beast or what not and dealing with the negative effects. They'll just want to be like Superman, so really it wouldn't be equal.Mr.Mattress said:
Even worse, when they first have powers they initially can't control them.Witty Name Here said:
Also imagine someone having Kitty Pryde's power. Like anyone in their right mind wouldn't use it to steal and rob banks.
Did they kill senators and a president without notice?GamerMage said:
You missed the point. What i meant is that there are already people considered enemies and if a crooked higher up wanted it they could also order special units to kill people based on bogus accusation. If you can say a senator is a mutant while he's not why not a terrorist?
But it isn't that easy in reality.
Elaborate. What Am I missing here? Mutant a extremely powerful and can cause a lot of damage, mutants are human and thus prone to evil/regretful actions so mutants could cause a whole lot of deaths. What is it i'm missing?
Since i'm not a soldier, a man? Although i'd say calling all soldiers slaves is quite rude.
When i have to be, i'll be cold blooded.Oh the american centrismI'm not even from the US and it would be on a global scale if it were up to me. (You're cold-blooded, you that?)
When your decisions can affect billions of lives, yes.
Well it's not that amazing really.
Yes... isn't that what i just said?
Yes it is
If you think protecting millions/billions from extremely dangerous beings is a "poorly defined", fine i guess.
A monster? No. I'm just the one who'd do what has to be done so people like you, who don't want to make the hard decisions, get to keep their conscience and live. In this world sometimes evil has to be done for the greater good.
"Officially Not My Business"
Occasionally, I'm completely overjoyed that my opinion doesn't matter and I have no say, so I don't have to make a decision. This would be one of those times.
Occasionally, I'm completely overjoyed that my opinion doesn't matter and I have no say, so I don't have to make a decision. This would be one of those times.
And are you suggesting that literally every mutant is going to have world-ending powers like that? Or are you suggesting that we ought to treat someone who has a magical, invisible sixth finger on their left hand that can only affect brownies the same as Mad Jim Jaspers [http://marvel.wikia.com/James_Jaspers_%28Earth-616%29]? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? How backwards that sounds? How paranoid that sounds? You're approaching Glenn Beck levels of paranoia there, pal. Step back a bit. Take a deep breath.Spot1990 said:
I'm not saying that there won't be people with dangerous powers. I'm not even saying that none of those people will be violent. But what you're suggesting is comparable to suggesting all clowns are serial killers because John Wayne Gacey was a serial killer. That's like saying anyone with a gun wants to kill schoolchildren because one guy with a gun killed schoolchildren. That's like saying everyone who plays video games is a violent, mass-murdering sociopath because a handful of people who play video games went on mass murder sprees. That is the level of discussion you are at. Stop and think about that for a moment.
I considered writing a longer response, but really, this is the only thing I think I need to respond to. Because you're absolutely right. I don't have a problem with keeping tabs on people; I don't even have a problem with keeping a registry of people who have certain powers. What I have a problem with is the idea that there is NO WAY that people with inherent, inborn differences can live together peacefully. And what I especially have a problem with is the idea that someone would be willing to murder children, and their parents, for that reason. People who don't have the power to do harm to you otherwise. It boggles my mindgenerals3 said:
If there's no way for the two of us to rectify our disagreements, then I will respectfully bow out of discussion with you.
I've heard of it, but I haven't played it. I played the first one; I really liked it...right up until the third act. I actually threw my controller so hard I broke it at that one point. You know the one.GamerMage said:
That being said, I do very vaguely recall there being a story in X-Men where the exact thing I describe happened. That's...kinda where I got the idea.
Nice thread I already had this on my mind for a few months.
Personaly I find the use of mutants and other superpowered people as an allorgy for minorities (the mages from dragon age spring to mind) to be completly broken. Because I have never met a homosexual, jew, black person or (insert other heavily discriminated sexual, religious or racial minority here)who could shoot lasers out of his eyes or read my mind.
We can't even trust "the good guys" to use their powers responsibly. Because already people in positions of power abuse that power. Ranging from relativly innocent (diplomats not paying their parking tickets) to genocide. I did not realy have an opinion on this subject until I saw how irresponsible proffesor X uses his powers in Xmen firstClass.
At first I thought just to kill them all. Because while humans have certain rights that is also on the assumption that we are all equals and mutants defenitly aren't equals. But after some thoughts lets just register and sterilise the less dangerous ones and lock up the rest. Either in prison or some sort of special community far away from the civillized world. Or just kill them if none of that is an option.
Personaly I find the use of mutants and other superpowered people as an allorgy for minorities (the mages from dragon age spring to mind) to be completly broken. Because I have never met a homosexual, jew, black person or (insert other heavily discriminated sexual, religious or racial minority here)who could shoot lasers out of his eyes or read my mind.
We can't even trust "the good guys" to use their powers responsibly. Because already people in positions of power abuse that power. Ranging from relativly innocent (diplomats not paying their parking tickets) to genocide. I did not realy have an opinion on this subject until I saw how irresponsible proffesor X uses his powers in Xmen firstClass.
At first I thought just to kill them all. Because while humans have certain rights that is also on the assumption that we are all equals and mutants defenitly aren't equals. But after some thoughts lets just register and sterilise the less dangerous ones and lock up the rest. Either in prison or some sort of special community far away from the civillized world. Or just kill them if none of that is an option.
I think you get more accurate answers if you force people to make their judgement in a world not just with mutants, but where they are not, and have no chance of being a mutant. Otherwise there's going to be a bunch of people enjoying the x-men fantasy, instead of maybe considering the consequences of those sorts of powers.
Or even better, make the mutants all gay, and of indeterminate gender. See how many are love the idea then. I think it's maybe a little less than the idea of nobly fighting the good fight that people are interested in, than being able to shoot people with lasers, stab people with claws, or rip the earth apart with various forms of psychokinetic powers, and being beholden to no-one, that people really enjoy about these fantasies.
The idea that these groups are persecuted just makes it ok in retrospect. It's a very nerd reaction to perceived persecution.
Or even better, make the mutants all gay, and of indeterminate gender. See how many are love the idea then. I think it's maybe a little less than the idea of nobly fighting the good fight that people are interested in, than being able to shoot people with lasers, stab people with claws, or rip the earth apart with various forms of psychokinetic powers, and being beholden to no-one, that people really enjoy about these fantasies.
The idea that these groups are persecuted just makes it ok in retrospect. It's a very nerd reaction to perceived persecution.
Neutral. While I am all for equality and rights and apple pie, I will only do so when they remove whatever disease currently infecting them with that terrible of a fashion sense (have you ever seen anyone dressed like that in a normal setting?)
Pretty much this. I don't read the comics, but in the various incarnations of the X-men I have seen it always amazes me that the words "Human Rights" never come up while mutants are being herded into concentration camps and what-not.chinangel said:
Who ever said that? I'm sorry but you're distorting my argument. You've taken one specific type of difference and than extent to "all differences", as if i ever said anything about "differences" in general. We're talking about people with special abilities that make them much more powerful than your average human being (and by extent more dangerous). A person with a mental deficiency is also inherently different but did anything imply i'd want to "neutralize" them? No. That's because they aren't a danger to society.000Ronald said:
This isn't about them being "different" (and i want to stress i find it objectionable you tried to make it about "differences"), it's about them being "powerful" and thus dangerous.
Without reading anything into it say I remain human and boring as all fuck and all the mutant want me dead because reasons well duck it then I will die. You know why? It is due to the fact if the "Kill all humans" fuckers win they are still likely to a very small degree right, you likely had a million people that could grow sodding grove of fruit trees in the bloody desert and people that could give clean water to EVERY PERSON EVER TO LIVE EVER and while you had a good team and a bad team you likely had a war in which at least one good mutant was all "I could kill all the evil fucks or at least the mian evil fuck but wah death /cry" and then he got murdered and then evil guys won. So yeah worst case scenario die to the hands of evil. This is why I like X-Men and to the small degree of comics I know of why i like Marvel more than DC they just tend to do bad guys and congruency better.
There is just so many good mutations that even if we just think of shit we know is real we know also has a hypothetical cure. The only thing we have no cure to is to a hypothetical we never thought could exist, given that may be a mutation it is less likely than a massive about of helpful mutants or even one that counter said hypothetical evil.
There is just so many good mutations that even if we just think of shit we know is real we know also has a hypothetical cure. The only thing we have no cure to is to a hypothetical we never thought could exist, given that may be a mutation it is less likely than a massive about of helpful mutants or even one that counter said hypothetical evil.