I'm not interested in Christmas
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Well actually, not to express a need to correct others, its just interesting information: The reason that the settlers had a thanksgiving to begin with was...Pyramid Head said:
The first winter the settlers had to endure a winter without having the materials to build secure, warm housing (or rather they didn't have enough time to produce enough housing to protect them from the cold for everybody) to survive the winter. Thanksgiving came about as a potluck the villagers held to thank god for killing off the Native Americans, whom actually died cause they didn't have the immune systems to deal with the diseases the settlers brought with them. So when the natives died, the settlers took their houses. Later they invited some other tribe to dine with them the next year in hopes to not seem like the bad guys.
Another little piece of information that has little to do with the original topic: From what I heard, Australia has allowed Native Australians to live normal lives. In contrast to how America treats their natives.(Australians your going to have to forgive me if this information is wrong.) For all those who don't know, Native Americans were forced into camps, and forced to live there in poverty as opposed to slaughtering them. To this day, Native Americans are STILL forced to live in those camps, and do not classify (to a social extent) as proper citizens of america. Anyone else find this fucked up?
Edit: Back to the OT. I have mixed feelings about Christmas. I don't like how it was a way to campaign pagans to convert. But no one views it as that anymore, so mostly to me its just a holiday where I try to count the good things about my immediate family, and try to appreciate those good things... My extended family not so much. Some are a good bunch but I have enough people to try to please without adding them to the bunch. I do like receiving gifts, although a lot of the time I spend receiving them I'm beating myself up about how that was truly all i really wanted. (WOOT SKYRIM)
But I digress. Christmas time, as it stands for me, is a time where I try not to be selfish. And I genuinely do appreciate that time i spend with my family.
Xmas is a time when you're forced into an unfamiliar pressure cooker by peer pressure.
If you can control where you are, it can probably be a nice time. There's a LOT of people who use it for spreading misery, guilt and condemnation though.
Not discounting the 4 months of tension build-up, and the huge debts incurred.
If you've managed to get a loving family around you, it can be magical.
Sometimes that's not possible. Sometimes it can only be tolerated.
Oh, and the part that really annoys me. YOU MUST LIKE XMAS. The level of intolerance for others PoV goes up to 11, way past what smokers usually get. If you don't like Xmas, then you might as well be dead to some people.
Maybe some of us have very valid reasons not to enjoy Xmas? For a festival of goodwill, you'd think that tolerating other's opinions would be quite high on the list.
If you can control where you are, it can probably be a nice time. There's a LOT of people who use it for spreading misery, guilt and condemnation though.
Not discounting the 4 months of tension build-up, and the huge debts incurred.
If you've managed to get a loving family around you, it can be magical.
Sometimes that's not possible. Sometimes it can only be tolerated.
Oh, and the part that really annoys me. YOU MUST LIKE XMAS. The level of intolerance for others PoV goes up to 11, way past what smokers usually get. If you don't like Xmas, then you might as well be dead to some people.
Maybe some of us have very valid reasons not to enjoy Xmas? For a festival of goodwill, you'd think that tolerating other's opinions would be quite high on the list.
I think that is asking for a bit too much, then again I have little faith in most people to be the tolerating type. But nonetheless a valid point to make.The_root_of_all_evil said:
The thing is I'm exactly the same as you. The best gift I received last Christmas was a card my girlfriend at the time made for me with everyone one of the first generation Pokemon painted exaggeratedly spastic and cuddly. The time, effort, general geekery, and the fact that it was something we were rather nostalgic over meant it far out-weighted the expensive and useful gifts I received that year. This year, my parents and I are not exchanging gifts because they've recently come into a lot of money and have everything they want, and have no idea what to get me, so we called it quits so we don't have to be guilty.DuelLadyS said:
However:
I think for me, the whole original statement is more about people you are in a relationship with. Although I've heard people multiple times say "it's the thought that counts" I've seen enough girls crying over the fact that their boyfriend didn't spend enough money for them at Christmas/birthdays that I've thoroughly shitting myself when it comes to birthdays and Christmases now, simply because of that in-grained fear. Added to that the time I was reasonably recently dumped by a girl because she thought I was not spending enough money on her: bearing in mind I was having such problems with my job that I lived off of 30p noodles for nearly a month.
So yes, while I totally agree with you and it very much applies to me (that Pokemon card still has it's own little display =3) I've found in my own experiences that this doesn't apply to everyone, and especially not to all young women - as a sweeping statement.
. This is by far, the best thing on this thread. I agree with you on every point. You are also a perfect example of the Christmas spirit, You don't exactly have the best time on the 25th but you still enjoy it, which i think is brilliant. I'm 16. Everything's depressing. Weight issues, girl issues, very argumental, But hey - I still enjoy it! An like others have said, it's the gesture of it - I got a homemade Headcrab had. Can't have cost more to make than £5. But it's fucking brilliant. Merry Christmas you misirable bastards (Most of are probably my age, or younger) and you should seriously take a lea out of this guys book.omega 616 said:
I assume you know what a troll is, I assume you know not to "feed the trolls" well arguing about something like that is "feeding the trolls".Kaulen Fuhs said:
People like to ***** and moan and bringing up the pagan thing constantly is just as annoying as you find the thing you are speaking up against.
As if what you said, I was spoiled when I was young. Well, everyone has his/her right to like or dislike any festival, but please respect what others like. This is the spirit of Xmas, have fun together, as least I think so. May you happy, not only in Xmas, but everyday.