Ok ok... slightly OT but I'd love to be bright blue..I don't know why but that would just be soo cool...can I have a glass? Can you mix it with vodka?Abandon4093 said:
I'm proud to be white!
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Oh come now, you should know everyone needs to feel special like the little snow flake that they are.Abandon4093 said:
I love the idea, but I'm sure that's what's probably going to happen, that or fancy bracelets.
I can't help but think of this one time at the cafeteria at a university where me and my friends that were of all different races looked around and noticed how they have school clubs for every race but white people. One of the guys responded jokingly: "That's they're job, to make sure there isen't one."
Of course if there was one I woulden't want to join it.
Of course if there was one I woulden't want to join it.
Oh and some of you do understand that white people are not the bane of all evil right?
If all the 'whites' left north america tomorrow for...I dunno a habitat on the moon or something...there would still be violence, rape, war, and suffering.
Oh and racism...they didn't create it, despite what some might think.
If all the 'whites' left north america tomorrow for...I dunno a habitat on the moon or something...there would still be violence, rape, war, and suffering.
Oh and racism...they didn't create it, despite what some might think.
I'm so sorry that being the most privileged race in the world is so difficult for you, all the hate crimes committed against me, both physically and mentally, are surely nothing in comparison.
Nah, I'm just kidding! (though not about what I've been through) It's okay to be happy about your race, But proud? That's kind of silly, you are white because of a genetic accident and not because of an achievement. You should only take pride in something you worked for.
So you are a Dane? well as a Muslim (which is not a race) I just want to say: I am not happy about the drawings, but all I had to do was not pay any heed to them and that solved my problem, the same goes for most of us. Just because a bunch of Middle Eastern dudes got all upset about something trivial doesn't mean we all wanted the same thing. And like I said, some group of Middle Eastern assholes responded violently, and NOT a group of Muslims because we don't do shit like that.
Nah, I'm just kidding! (though not about what I've been through) It's okay to be happy about your race, But proud? That's kind of silly, you are white because of a genetic accident and not because of an achievement. You should only take pride in something you worked for.
So you are a Dane? well as a Muslim (which is not a race) I just want to say: I am not happy about the drawings, but all I had to do was not pay any heed to them and that solved my problem, the same goes for most of us. Just because a bunch of Middle Eastern dudes got all upset about something trivial doesn't mean we all wanted the same thing. And like I said, some group of Middle Eastern assholes responded violently, and NOT a group of Muslims because we don't do shit like that.
There seems to be a misunderstanding in this thread. The reason that people say their proud isn't because of bad things done in the past, it's because of bad things done TODAY. The reason a gay person says their proud is because alot of gay people have to hide in the closet and are beaten or murdered everyday. The reason why a Muslim person might say their proud of their culture is because of hate crimes and hate speech against them TODAY. A Native American might be proud of their rich cultural heritage despite having to live in the absolute worst parts of America TODAY. The reason why people assume that a white person is disrespecting them because of their race is because white people disrespect them because of their race TODAY. Proclamations of pride are a response to negative experiences in life. Not because they read that an ancestor was treated badly a long time ago.
You have a point but it's not fair to the good white people....it's not fair to them to keep hammering them with this guilt.hebrewgod said:
Not every white man is a raciest, or a homophobe.
Frankly you can't keep expecting to tell a certain segment of the population that "Your're the most evil race in the world! You've done so much wrong and your a bad person simply because you are white!"
...it really and truly isn't fair.
Well they're gonna need to have fancy bracelets if they are gonna be bright blue and be pretentious bastards about it.Abandon4093 said:
It's okay though, there are just some things the human mind isn't prepared to understand.
First off, white doesn't mean anything, it's just a misguided cultural response to the term black. Forty years ago people identified their actual cultural heritage (German, Irish, Russian, Polish, Greek, Italian, etc). White isn't a culture, but black is. I was raised in an Irish community, not a 'white' community. Most black people born in America are raised in black communities, while recent African immigrants live in Nigerian, Rwandan, or Sudanese communities. The black culture is a separate culture than that of recently immigrated African-Americans, but 'white guilt' is too prevalent to acknowledge or even recognize that distinction, so we lump ourselves together the way we assume they've lumped themselves together. Even though that's not how it works at all.
In response to the OP, whenever someone automatically assumes an action of mine was racist because I'm white, I kindly inform them that I'm a 2nd Gen Irish immigrant, and we've been discriminated against, enslaved and murdered for centuries, too. That usually shuts them up.
In response to the OP, whenever someone automatically assumes an action of mine was racist because I'm white, I kindly inform them that I'm a 2nd Gen Irish immigrant, and we've been discriminated against, enslaved and murdered for centuries, too. That usually shuts them up.
Well, first, I agree with the people who say that it's silly to be proud of something that isn't your own achievement (or isn't even an achievement). But let's break this down (even though I know almost no one will read this or care)...
When I say something like, "I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh! fan, and I'm proud" (and you bet I'm proud), I'm associating myself with a group of people related by their disturbing love for a nonsensical card game. When someone says, "I'm black, and I'm proud" what they're doing is associating themselves with the memory of the black slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, and - to a lesser degree - the Harlem Renaissance. Sometimes that's what's actually meant, sometimes it's not. The repercussions for being a YGO fan are pretty small - we have to hang out in your school library and not have girlfriends - whereas those for being part of this past are enormous. Unless you live up to the words and deeds of the Civil Rights Movement, you're NOT proud.
"Black pride" grew out of the tail end of the Civil Rights Movement. It's similar to how Republicans think "liberal" is an insult and Democrats think "conservative" is an insult. In the same way, blacks took up being black as something to be proud of. So "black pride" is pride of the (large) segment of the black population that is descended from slaves.
In other words, black AMERICAN (for the most part) history has erased actual black history, in which the slave trade is merely a chapter. Africa has had a history longer than all of Europe, but all of it is ignored in favor of the few hundred years of European involvement in Africa. Someone more poetic might consider this a final irony, as, in freedom from slavery, they choose to acknowledge only the part of their history in which they were slaves.
Meanwhile, white pride is entirely meaningless, because even when you say that, you're not attaching yourself to anything tangible. If you're proud to be Danish, then you're not proud to be related to Russia, or England, or Luxembourg, or one of a dozen other predominantly white countries.
For the sake of full disclosure, I am half-Caucasian, half-Arab. That means I look white, but when somebody starts talking about the Middle East I can say "I'm Arabic, *****!" cuz I'm a troll.
When I say something like, "I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh! fan, and I'm proud" (and you bet I'm proud), I'm associating myself with a group of people related by their disturbing love for a nonsensical card game. When someone says, "I'm black, and I'm proud" what they're doing is associating themselves with the memory of the black slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, and - to a lesser degree - the Harlem Renaissance. Sometimes that's what's actually meant, sometimes it's not. The repercussions for being a YGO fan are pretty small - we have to hang out in your school library and not have girlfriends - whereas those for being part of this past are enormous. Unless you live up to the words and deeds of the Civil Rights Movement, you're NOT proud.
"Black pride" grew out of the tail end of the Civil Rights Movement. It's similar to how Republicans think "liberal" is an insult and Democrats think "conservative" is an insult. In the same way, blacks took up being black as something to be proud of. So "black pride" is pride of the (large) segment of the black population that is descended from slaves.
In other words, black AMERICAN (for the most part) history has erased actual black history, in which the slave trade is merely a chapter. Africa has had a history longer than all of Europe, but all of it is ignored in favor of the few hundred years of European involvement in Africa. Someone more poetic might consider this a final irony, as, in freedom from slavery, they choose to acknowledge only the part of their history in which they were slaves.
Meanwhile, white pride is entirely meaningless, because even when you say that, you're not attaching yourself to anything tangible. If you're proud to be Danish, then you're not proud to be related to Russia, or England, or Luxembourg, or one of a dozen other predominantly white countries.
For the sake of full disclosure, I am half-Caucasian, half-Arab. That means I look white, but when somebody starts talking about the Middle East I can say "I'm Arabic, *****!" cuz I'm a troll.
Of course you're right, it wouldn't be fair to say that someone is a bad person just because of their race. But the reason people assume that white people are racist or motivated by race when singling out someone of a different race, whether it be for a speeding ticket or an argument or something is because there are alot of white people who DO stop cars because of the race of their drivers and there are alot of people who DO pick fights with others because of their race.Ayane788 said:
Every person is going to suffer being lumped in with the bad parts of their race regardless of whether or not they've actually done anything wrong themselves. Middle eastern people are going to be seen as terrorists by some people, black people are going to be associated with criminals and white people are going to be associated with racism. It's not fair for anyone but that's life.
In a world where Europe's identity is slowly Melding into the overall EU, it seems that the unification of the traditional "White" countries may begin to mimic the tribal loss of the African Americans. It is hard to say i am proudly Masai, Zulu, Koi San , Chewa or Berber (yes i lived in Africa for 10 years) when you are unaware of who your people are, so we broadly categorize with Ethnicity in order to ascertain our place within the worldhebrewgod said:
The problem with being disconnected from your culture is that it is easier to Identify yourself the overall struggle of your people rather than the proud traditions, art, music and history on which your culture is based. As far as we have developed we are still very Tribal in Nature and have a need to define ourselves within a group context for the good or bad. a family group after all is nothing but a tribe who impart to us our contextual filters for dealing with the community at large and with ourselves within the context of acceptable patterns of behavior sanctioned by the tribe.
The problem with isolating a group identity and placing yourself under a generalized heading of Black, White , Asian etc.. is that it can become a broad canvas of suffering and as a method of identifying your culture with pain and guilt it keeps the individual trapped in a cycle of victimization that not only disempowers the individual but the group as a whole.
If we are ever to move forward as a unified people we first need to heal the wounds of the past, forgive and move forward together not trap ourselves with tribal constraints.We can never grow beyond the limiting beliefs of our tribes. Therein lies the dichotomy, we need to experience life as part of a group and yet to be strong enough to have views outside of its patterns of limiting beliefs ,least we enslave ourselves to our tribes ideals
Be proud of who you are, love your culture for its achievements and rich history but be humble and respectful of others cultures and Do not look at the disempowerment of others and confuse it with strength
otherwise "for as long as there is me there is you, and as long as there is suffering it is your fault"
Let's all take a sip and go live on the moon...let's all start over and worship the mighty papa smurf. *wink*Abandon4093 said:I can mix it with anything my curious little chum.Ayane788 said:
*nudge nudge* *wink wink*
Perhaps we can make money off all this.Abandon4093 said:Dammitall. My limited imagination stopped at haircuts.Fiz_The_Toaster said:
Perhaps you should spear head this revolt. I'll just get to work on the food dyes and NANOBOTS!
Because I understand that shit..... honestly.
You create the nanobots and work on the food dye, and I can slowly start to buy out all the manufacturers of said bracelets and create a monopoly. So because they are now bright blue from the dye and nanobots they need to have bracelets, which I supply, then profit.
Yes...yes...this can work!
Very very well said...I want to print that off and read it to a few people in my family...and community.Googooguru said:
Wise words that I think we all need to hear.
Over and over until it sinks in.
It's not that I mean to derail you guys' conversation, but as you seem to respond to each other I thought I might get a quick answer from you;Fiz_The_Toaster said:
Does the thread appear in the "Offtopic" forum section for you guys? Because in my case, it's completely gone, and I haven't been contacted by a mod.
But that has nothing to do with what you actually said.... which was that no one cared about the genocide.... which by my point is incorrect. You can pull humanitarian all day, but what you said first is still wrong.katsumoto03 said:
And while your last point stands, we can backtrack to thousands of massacres throughout human history and say that we are all somehow connected to the massacred side.
It's there, it's on the second page. That's odd that it appears to be gone for you.Boneasse said: