I'm utterly sick of Game of Thrones

[dscross]

I'm utterly sick of Game of Thrones

Then don't watch it any more. I am utterly sick of jabbing myself in the eye with this pointy stick covered in salt, I'll admit I was smart enough to see this pointy sticky eye interaction getting a bit boring three years ago but you know what I just had to keep on jabbing that stick in my eye and you know what I am gonna keep on doing it for a wee bit longer just to see if it gets any more enjoyable and guess what each and every time I jab this stick in my eye I am gonna turn up here and tell everyone just how annoying and tedious it's getting.

I don't think that's particularly witty in the context of what I said. I don't watch it anymore but I gave the show more than a fair chance as I said in my OP. It's more that I'm sick of intelligent people talking about it to me as if it's a good show and that I should like it. I hate the show for what people think is. To me, it's just as bad as reality TV. I don't mind my friends watching stuff like that as long as they admit that it's garbage and it's a guilty pleasure (like they do with reality TV). But they won't with Game of Thrones. They talk about it like it's a good, intelligently put together show. It's not good. Please refer to OP for my reasoning.

 

[Zhukov]

Honestly, I don't know how Game of Thrones is even a thing in a universe with the Kingkiller Chronicles in it. Patrick Rothfuss does a grimdark fantasy universe incredibly right but also does it without feeling the need to stab you in the heart every bloody chapter. It also has beauty in it to beautifully contrast the dark it shows.

Probably because the Kingkiller Chronicles are garbage led by the stupidest Mary Sue I've ever seen outside of internet fanfiction.

Let me see if I can remember this right...

He's super handsome, in a distinct and exotic sort of way. He's literally good at everything he attempts (and is directly described as such). He's the greatest swordsman alive. He's the greatest wizard alive. A succubus/fairy/whatever taught him to be the greatest lover alive. He has a super special magic sword with a super special name. He has a super tragic backstory complete with standard issue dead family.

Fucking protagonist gold right there.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

But this sort of equalising 'everything is equally valid' does nothing but make everything equally unvalid, unshared and not worth discussing.

Well, God knows I do like bitching about things I like. And bitching about things I don't like.

Okay, here's an example: my sister hauled me onto the couch next to her to watch some show she'd dredged up out of Netflix called Maximum Ride. She said it was "like X-Men," and I was on board with that. It turned out to be hot garbage; the CGI was awful, every character had wings for some reason, the bad guy was an emo werewolf, and the whole thing was based off a legendarily crappy series of young adult novels.

And, y'know, I told her all of this. I'm talking about it while we're watching the show, though I bailed halfway through, and she's getting annoyed because she likes it and I'm tearing it apart and that makes her feel insecure about what she likes. And I can kinda sense that - I've done this dance with my sister and some piece of crappy television like Grimm or The Vampire Diaries a dozen times before - so I have to watch where I step.

I think that kind of situation is the tight-rope we're all walking on when we deal with some piece of trash that a friend of ours is weirdly in love with. On the one side, there's "It's all a matter of taste, so all things are equally valid." On the other, there's "Your show sucks and you suck for liking it." And somewhere in the middle, there's talking about what we do like and don't like and why we do or don't like it and what would make our tastes change.

That's the line I try to walk on. I don't want to shame people or tell them they suck because they like a show that I think is a hot turd wrapped in piss-soaked toilet paper. But I'm not going to refrain from telling them that it sucks, because that'd be dishonest. You have to separate the criticism of the show from the criticism of the person for liking the show, which is a lot harder than it sounds.

So I welcome guys like this who say that Game of Thrones sucks monkey taint. I like the show, and I'll recommend it, and if the people I recommend it to don't like it, I'll live. Not everything is for everyone. That doesn't have to mean that "good" and "bad" stories don't exist. It just means that there's a fuzzy grey area in the borderline where we disagree about whether something falls on the good or bad side.

tl;dr - I hate broccoli, my sister likes broccoli, but we both like ice cream and we both hate turds. Ice cream is good; turds are bad; broccoli is a matter of taste.

Honestly, I don't know how Game of Thrones is even a thing in a universe with the Kingkiller Chronicles in it. Patrick Rothfuss does a grimdark fantasy universe incredibly right but also does it without feeling the need to stab you in the heart every bloody chapter. It also has beauty in it to beautifully contrast the dark it shows.

Spoiler: Really.

For realsies: I'm not gonna judge you for what you do or don't like - you like reading about a superhuman ginger running around sexing ladies left and right, I like reading about a superhuman albino [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Witcher] running around sexing ladies left and right - but I will say that I am not at all confused as to why Game of Thrones is more popular in comparison.

 

[King Billi]

I enjoy the show well enough, though its gotten to the point that looking back over everything that's happened and how long it took to get here that I feel it could have reached this point in half the time.

Its gotten so drawn out though that I can't help but see the writers hands behind all plot developments now.

"This character is spinning their wheels cause we have to get all these other characters into position before their story can progress."

"Everything is in place to commence the next big story arc... Oh but we have all these unresolved plot threads over here, let's just gather them all together in one building and blow them up."

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

It took me till season 2 to realise precisely what it is: a soap-opera. With more swears, nudity, and violence. That's it. Exploitative, nasty stunt-TV schlock, maybe, but it's not really any different from Eastenders or Coronation Street.

I drifted away after the fourth season. I may drift back, but yeah, I don't blame anyone being sick of it.

...oh and as someone with an interest in HEMA, GoT's attention to detail regarding historic use of martial arts is often pathetic. Maybe it's improved since S5, but the Night's Watch, in particular, are a bunch of hack[ing] Hollywood amateurs.

 

[wizzy555]

It took me till season 2 to realise precisely what it is: a soap-opera. With more swears, nudity, and violence. That's it. Exploitative, nasty stunt-TV schlock, maybe, but it's not really any different from Eastenders or Coronation Street.

Coronation Street deconstructs modern political and moral notions from a Realpolitik perspective? Wow! I should watch it immediately.

 

[kuolonen]

Well I absolutely despised Breaking bad and all the hype around it. But I never got the the urge to write a wall of text about it.

I've had issues with game of thrones but they ended when I mentally separated it from the books. Pacing is all over the map as someone mentioned about greyjoys warping from one end of the world to other at the flick of scene change, but I've no clue what OP is on about bad acting. I've seen worse, I've seen better. Some is good some is average, nothing I'd see reason to rant about.

 

[dscross]

Well I absolutely despised Breaking bad and all the hype around it. But I never got the the urge to write a wall of text about it.

I've had issues with game of thrones but they ended when I mentally separated it from the books. Pacing is all over the map as someone mentioned about greyjoys warping from one end of the world to other at the flick of scene change, but I've no clue what OP is on about bad acting. I've seen worse, I've seen better. Some is good some is average, nothing I'd see reason to rant about.

1. There's nothing wrong with critiquing things (even passionately). That's how you have debates, which is what happens in democracies. Sometimes people need to speak out so opinions can be heard. What do you think forums are for generally? Usually either advice or debates.

2. GoT is much more popular than breaking bad ever was. Breaking bad was never quite as in your face all the time, ego, less reason to speak out.

3. I think you must have hated BB for very different reasons. I think GoT a poor soap opera masquerading as a well put together fantasy. It uses the same psychological mechanisms that soaps use to keep people watching. I think it's beneath intelligent people tbh and I can find no reason to find it particularly entertaining either - my reasoning is in the OP (obviously just my opinion).

4. You'll need to back up your assertion about the acting and challenge what I said because I see no reason to consider that point unless you back it up with some examples from a couple of specific actors.

5. It isn't a wall of text. I am always careful to split my paragraphs up with line breaks so it's nice and easy to read.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

Coronation Street deconstructs modern political and moral notions from a Realpolitik perspective? Wow! I should watch it immediately.

Quite, Corrie's gone up in the world...

Unless all that fancy-pants stuff started in S5, then I don't really see it - or, rather, I don't see nearly enough of it worth a damn. Most people aren't watching for anything to be deconstructed, they're watching to see who dies next and in what horrible way, and also simply because it's in vogue.

I'm currently going through Daredevil S2, and for me that has far more going for it in terms of character narrative, themes, and more than matches it for acting (the GoT ensemble sine waves all over the place on that count).

Don't get me wrong, GoT has been and I'm sure sometimes still can be brilliant, but as the years rolled by it seemed more momentary than ever, and eventually the grueling, dour nastiness and pulpiness of it all became tiresome.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

It took me till season 2 to realise precisely what it is: a soap-opera. With more swears, nudity, and violence. That's it. Exploitative, nasty stunt-TV schlock, maybe, but it's not really any different from Eastenders or Coronation Street.

Coronation Street deconstructs modern political and moral notions from a Realpolitik perspective? Wow! I should watch it immediately.

Yes.

It's not coincidence that my grandmother watches both.

. I think it's beneath intelligent people tbh and I can find no reason to find it particularly entertaining either -

Can we just fast-forward 5 years and have you read this shit back(preferably with a reaction cam ready)? As far as youthful indiscretions go this beats out thinking that smoking weed makes you interesting & putting yourself down before others get a chance to as the least desirable.

I'm guessing on some level you know this or you'd probably be sharing these exact thoughts with said friends (who you should probably be thankful you still have) instead of strangers on a dying internet forum.

 

[dscross]

Can we just fast-forward 5 years and have you read this shit back(preferably with a reaction cam ready)? As far as youthful indiscretions go this beats out thinking that smoking weed makes you interesting & putting yourself down before others get a chance to as the least desirable.

I'm guessing on some level you know this or you'd probably be sharing these exact thoughts with said friends (who you should probably be thankful you still have) instead of strangers on a dying internet forum.

I have already shared them with friends, believe me. I was getting a feel for everyone else so I could debate it. I'm not THAT youthful, I'm 32 and haven't smoked pot since I was in my mid 20s.

You took that completely out of context from the rest of the sentence so it didn't make sense. You need the rest of that sentence for it not to sound patrionising.

 

[wizzy555]

Unless all that fancy-pants stuff started in S5, then I don't really see it - or, rather, I don't see nearly enough of it worth a damn. Most people aren't watching for anything to be deconstructed, they're watching to see who dies next and in what horrible way, and also simply because it's in vogue.

That's probably true, but the reasons why other people watch it don't influence my opinion or the reasons I watch it.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Can we just fast-forward 5 years and have you read this shit back(preferably with a reaction cam ready)? As far as youthful indiscretions go this beats out thinking that smoking weed makes you interesting & putting yourself down before others get a chance to as the least desirable.

I'm guessing on some level you know this or you'd probably be sharing these exact thoughts with said friends (who you should probably be thankful you still have) instead of strangers on a dying internet forum.

I have already shared them with friends, believe me. I was getting a feel for everyone else so I could debate it. I'm not youthful, I'm 32. You took that completely out of context from the rest of the sentence so it didn't make sense. You need the rest of that sentence for it not to sound patrionising.

The rest of that sentence says "see OP". What part am I missing that makes it not sound "patronising"? Your word. I said this looks like typical unaware youthful elitism.

 

[wizzy555]

Just another day on the escapist:

Poster 1: "Pitty the plebeians for being exposed to this uneducated material, they will never know the sophisticated brilliance of ---, the sheer uncompromising artistry when compared to their philistine twaddle!"

Poster 2: "Have you considered the intellectual aspect of how the show does X Y Z"

Poster 1: "Oh check out mister fancy pants here"

 

[Arnoxthe1]

Spoiler: Really.

Probably because the Kingkiller Chronicles are garbage led by the stupidest Mary Sue I've ever seen outside of internet fanfiction.

Let me see if I can remember this right...

He's super handsome

No. He's a ginger with weird eyes. Nothing more or less. Admittedly he's more handsome than others and he's nice but he doesn't have anything that immediately makes girls drop their panties. Also, he was a fucking dunce at girls for the longest time. Even Kvothe takes huge note of how painful his early romantic encounters were.

He's literally good at everything he attempts (and is directly described as such).

lolno.

He's the greatest swordsman alive.

No. Any standard Adem Merc could kick his ass around the block.

He's the greatest wizard alive.

No. Elodin could kick his ass around the block.

Spoiler

And Devi almost literally made him her *****. And she wasn't even a MAIN VILLAIN.

A succubus/fairy/whatever taught him to be the greatest lover alive.

No. She taught him confidence and some cool sex moves.

He has a super special magic sword with a super special name.

Pretty much no.

Spoiler

The only apparent power Caesura has is that you don't need to care for it very much, if ever. Otherwise it's just a standard sword. If anything, it's actually worse than most because everyone who's used the sword has died a horrible death.

He has a super tragic backstory complete with standard issue dead family.

This is the only semi-legit complaint you've brought up. And even then, it isn't much. If you're really gonna go after Kingkiller for giving the protagonist a dead family, you better go after every single other piece of fiction that uses the same trope.

In any case, it's very apparent to me that you can't actually remember anything factual at all.

 

[SirSullymore]

One of my favorite shows, guess I'm just a dumb normie pleb.

 

[dscross]

One of my favorite shows, guess I'm just a dumb normie pleb.

I didn't mean it like that. I apologise if it came across that way. I wish people would challenge the actual arguments in the OP though rather than just state a broad sentiment or just say people have different opinions. It would make for a much more fun discussion.

 

[Laughing Man]

I'm utterly sick of Game of Thrones

Then don't watch it any more. I am utterly sick of jabbing myself in the eye with this pointy stick covered in salt, I'll admit I was smart enough to see this pointy sticky eye interaction getting a bit boring three years ago but you know what I just had to keep on jabbing that stick in my eye and you know what I am gonna keep on doing it for a wee bit longer just to see if it gets any more enjoyable and guess what each and every time I jab this stick in my eye I am gonna turn up here and tell everyone just how annoying and tedious it's getting.

I don't think that's particularly witty in the context of what I said. I don't watch it anymore but I gave the show more than a fair chance as I said in my OP.

Apologies then, I must have missed that when I read through your post first time.