Impeachment 2, the reckoning revenge redemption.

[Worgen]

And that whole civil rights thing Trump never respected and wouldn't have signed. Or LBJ never once sending an angry mob loose on the capitol.

Or be the first president to really federally fund education or pass voting rights acts, or do immigration reform and remove the national quotas, and the first president to go after the kkk since Grant.
Just look through the wiki for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson

LBJ was a sincerely racist man. He once called a black man "boy", and was offered the man's name in response. His reaction:

"As long as you are black, and you’re gonna be black till the day you die, no one’s gonna call you by your goddamn name. So no matter what you are called, n*****, you just let it roll off your back like water, and you’ll make it. Just pretend you’re a goddamn piece of furniture."

Do you source for that? Cause he also nominated the first African American supreme court justice, Thurgood Marshall and appointed Robert C. Weaver as the first African American cabinet secretary.

 

[Agema]

Do you source for that? Cause he also nominated the first African American supreme court justice, Thurgood Marshall and appointed Robert C. Weaver as the first African American cabinet secretary.

I don't think anyone doubts that LBJ was in ways very racist. But people are complex. I think people do believe inconsistent and incompatible beliefs simultaneously, because no-one is absolutely logically consistent, and so they can be racist in some ways and yet oppose racism hugely in other ways.

 

[tstorm823]

Do you source for that? Cause he also nominated the first African American supreme court justice, Thurgood Marshall and appointed Robert C. Weaver as the first African American cabinet secretary.

Lyndon Johnson was a civil rights hero. But also a racist.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist. He was also the greatest champion of racial equality to occupy the White House since Lincoln.

www.msnbc.com

I picked that particular source, as it includes his statement on Thurgood Marshall:

When I appoint a n***** to the bench, I want everybody to know he's a n*****.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist, power-hungry, manipulative bastard, he just happened to be one that recognized there was power in the Civil Rights Movement that he could take for himself. And, at least so far, it freaking worked.

He's also the man who Barry Goldwater (long time civil rights advocate, eventual gay rights advocate) came to during the 1964 election in private and asked that they leave racial issues out of the campaign. Goldwater could have publicized all the racism in Johnson's career, but didn't want to put the country through that at a time of civil unrest. Johnson said sure, and then ran tv advertisements about how much the KKK loved Goldwater.

To this day, the narrative remains that Johnson was a hero and Goldwater was a racist pioneer of the alleged "Southern Strategy", because Johnson was a darn talented politician and he got his propaganda to stick and stick hard.

 

[SilentPony]

I don't think anyone doubts that LBJ was in ways very racist. But people are complex. I think people do believe inconsistent and incompatible beliefs simultaneously, because no-one is absolutely logically consistent, and so they can be racist in some ways and yet oppose racism hugely in other ways.

Some people are just openly hypocritical and opportunistic and just agree with the loudest voice in the room. Lindsey Graham is a good example.

 

[tippy2k2]

 

[Worgen]

I don't think anyone doubts that LBJ was in ways very racist. But people are complex. I think people do believe inconsistent and incompatible beliefs simultaneously, because no-one is absolutely logically consistent, and so they can be racist in some ways and yet oppose racism hugely in other ways.

He was certainly an ass, but he also did a ton of good for black people and made things so much more equal for them then any president before and maybe since.

Lyndon Johnson was a racist, power-hungry, manipulative bastard, he just happened to be one that recognized there was power in the Civil Rights Movement that he could take for himself. And, at least so far, it freaking worked.

I like that the article you linked literally contradicts your statement here.

In conservative quarters, Johnson's racism -- and the racist show he would put on for Southern segregationists -- is presented as proof of the Democratic conspiracy to somehow trap black voters with, to use Mitt Romney's terminology, "gifts" handed out through the social safety net. But if government assistance were all it took to earn the permanent loyalty of generations of voters then old white people on Medicare would be staunch Democrats.

Also, heres another quote from LBJ.

"it is not just Negroes but all of us, who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry,"

And we continue to try to come to terms with this.

He's also the man who Barry Goldwater (long time civil rights advocate, eventual gay rights advocate) came to during the 1964 election in private and asked that they leave racial issues out of the campaign. Goldwater could have publicized all the racism in Johnson's career, but didn't want to put the country through that at a time of civil unrest. Johnson said sure, and then ran tv advertisements about how much the KKK loved Goldwater.

The problem with Goldwater, who was a civil rights advocate, was that he was also a states rights advocate and against federal legislation. Looking back that might have prevented the urban/rural divide we see. Since a lot of rural areas didn't like the idea of the fed coming in and telling them what to do, but its impossible to do anymore then speculate.

 

[09philj]

The problem with Goldwater, who was a civil rights advocate, was that he was also a states rights advocate and against federal legislation. Looking back that might have prevented the urban/rural divide we see. Since a lot of rural areas didn't like the idea of the fed coming in and telling them what to do, but its impossible to do anymore then speculate.

And he picked a giant "States rights to do what?" meme as the hill he wanted to die on.

 

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[Houseman]

Because the Stolen Election narrative needs to die hard and fast, least it becomes a festering wound that will only serve to further drive the USA apart.

Exactly

 

[Generals]

Exactly

But that isn't true. The hardline Trumpers wanted a confirmation Donald Trump's lies were actually true and that he won the election. They have gone so deep they wouldn't have accepted any other outcome regardless of the type and amount of investigations. At best you could have had a part of borderline Trumpists accepting the results and still... As long as Trump would have kept on lying and questioning the results (which we all know he would have) most of his followers would have taken that as truth.
Remember, Trump himself admitted he had created a cult of unconditional followers when said he could kill someone on 5th avenue in front of everyone and his supporters would still support him.

 

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[Houseman]

Vigorous and ceaseless prosecution of anyone who peddles it.

That sounds very anti-free-speech, authoritarian, perhaps even fascist

 

[Agema]

To this day, the narrative remains that Johnson was a hero and Goldwater was a racist pioneer of the alleged "Southern Strategy", because Johnson was a darn talented politician and he got his propaganda to stick and stick hard.

The narrative, however, is broadly correct. LBJ was in the end a man with a great moral cause, and the will and skill to ram it through against the teeth of considerable opposition. In the process, he kicked out of the way a wishy-washy dweeb who thought the equal rights of millions of his abused countrymen came second to the protecting the power of their abusers.

Okay, in many ways on a personal level LBJ was much less pleasant human being than Goldwater - so what? Heroes are heroes primarily because they get amazing things done, not because they're the most ethically pure.

As for the rest, that you refuse to recognise LBJ genuinely believed in doing good seems merely like sour grapes on your part.

 

[Worgen]

And he picked a giant "States rights to do what?" meme as the hill he wanted to die on.

While He did believe in civil rights, Goldwater didn't think that the federal government should be involved in it. He thought it should be left to the states.

 

[Trunkage]

The narrative, however, is broadly correct. LBJ was in the end a man with a great moral cause, and the will and skill to ram it through against the teeth of considerable opposition. In the process, he kicked out of the way a wishy-washy dweeb who thought the equal rights of millions of his abused countrymen came second to the protecting the power of their abusers.

Okay, in many ways on a personal level LBJ was much less pleasant human being than Goldwater - so what? Heroes are heroes primarily because they get amazing things done, not because they're the most ethically pure.

As for the rest, that you refuse to recognise LBJ genuinely believed in doing good seems merely like sour grapes on your part.

No one made LBJ sign the Civil Rights bill. They tried for years to force JFK. And LBJ knew that the Civil Rights bill was going to cost him alot and he still did it.

Fun fact though. Goldwater was pro-abortion. Shows you how far the conservatives have changed to score political points

 

[Hades]

That sounds very anti-free-speech, authoritarian, perhaps even fascist

What if the anti fascists were the true fascists all along?

 

[Houseman]

What if the anti fascists were the true fascists after all!

Yes.

 

[Hades]

Yes.

Well those words aged poorly now that his own party has been taken over by fascism.

 

[Agema]

It may come in the name of liberalism, but its progenitor will be conservatism.

 

[Worgen]

Looks like one cop got rioters to chase him by pushing one of them and running away from Senate chambers to protect the senators.

Police officer hailed for steering Capitol mob from Senate chamber

A police officer is being hailed for his role steering an angry mob away from the Senate chambers in Wednesday's deadly storming of the U.S. Capitol by supporters of President Donald Trump.

www.reuters.com